DUST Search - Update on HMG Nerf

WhataguyTTU wrote:

OK, Heavies are fine to the average VET
I have not had too much additional troubles pwn'in faces as before uprising.
EXCEPT the stupid slow turning speed. Now when scouts get in my face I **** my pants as I try to keep up with them (maxed sensitivty). This was originally boner city as ne one within 10meters would die in less then 2 seconds.
Heavies can no longer show off their dancing skills with strafing, BOOO!
Aside from that, heavies are still quite formidable. Ya we got a nerf but so did everything else practically.

I will say that forges guns are coming out more often than they used to.
75% of the time I would rock HMG and melt faces, now role has almost switched with the forge gun.
HMG can still poop in peoples mouths (within its new range) you just need to be more accurate.
See what happens when you hit someone on the dot of your reticle with a Burst machine gun (I was getting 1 shot burst last night, on ADV suits!). HMG can no longer be utilized as spray and pray, the DMG just isn't there.

NOW for newberts starting out in the game, they will ultimately get pwnd. Its almost not worth speccing heavy unless you have good amount of SP already. (~6mil sp). As a 1012eHP PROTObear, I am already having some trouble keeping up with top end assualt/logi players in advanced suits. There is no incentive for newbies to play heavy currently, without a CCP hotfix that will never come, the heavy population will plummet.

This game is a hard game to commit to with all its current trouble and bugs, but ultimately needs a bigger player base so that CCP wont be so desperate to empty our wallets and might be able to budget a bigger/better team for development.
NOOBS are super frustrating, but are necessary for our beloved game to thrive.

Nonetheless we are ultimately gambling that this game with be amazing 6months-1yr down the road.
So really, ENOUGH QQ MORE PEW PEW.
If you can no longer stand this game after a couple weeks into this Uprising build then find another game, the constant bitching and whining does not make our game better.

SIDENOTE: Ever since Uprising came out, my PS3 no longer suffer constant hard freezes (w/ PS3s IP set in DMZ in router).
I used to freezing everything ******* game and hadn't hit cap in the past two weeks. Lots of homos like me have this trouble stil, try this DMZ option if you have done the PS3's restore database and file system, unistall/restal dust clientl, game data deletion.....etc.

Pages: 1 [2] :: one page

Author	Thread Statistics \| Show CCP posts - 0 post(s)
bcs1a ROYAL SQUAD Shadow of the Apocalypse 16	Posted - 2013.05.07 08:26:00 - [31] - Quote iLLMaTiC619 wrote: NIIKIA wrote: Only number he is going to watch soon is how many people walk away from this game. Tbqh if I wasnt a CEO I would be gone... I'm playing for the friends and realationships I've made I do not enjoy dust anymore. agreed..love my corp but the HMG is broken..no fuccckin range or damage..fucccckin joke not exactly how I would have phrased it, but, yeah....^^THIS^^ o/ Bill
bcs1a ROYAL SQUAD Shadow of the Apocalypse 16	Posted - 2013.05.07 08:28:00 - [32] - Quote NeoWraith Acedia wrote: Bubba Brown wrote: keep the range nerf, that's fine. crouch and ADS for hmgs last build was retardedly powerful but for god's sake, why the damage nerf? 15m is not fine man, at least 25-30 or something! yeah 45 feet when ARs are hitting you from twice that range?... more than 15m is sadly needed
bcs1a ROYAL SQUAD Shadow of the Apocalypse 16	Posted - 2013.05.07 08:30:00 - [33] - Quote iLLMaTiC619 wrote: NeoWraith Acedia wrote: Why don't you guys just boycott HMGs and use ARs? all my fuckin skills went to HMG not AR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! mine too all to lvl 5 with reload and fitting to 3
fred orpaul The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 257	Posted - 2013.05.07 08:31:00 - [34] - Quote for the love of god it was under powered as **** last build, the only reason it ever got kills was because people threw them selfs at it and then wondered why they died. im ok with the range nerf but damage needed an increase not a decrease.
Musta Tornius BetaMax. CRONOS. 315	Posted - 2013.05.07 08:54:00 - [35] - Quote NeoWraith Acedia wrote: Bubba Brown wrote: keep the range nerf, that's fine. crouch and ADS for hmgs last build was retardedly powerful but for god's sake, why the damage nerf? 15m is not fine man, at least 25-30 or something! and what exactly is this 15 m you are talking about?
Panther Alpha WarRavens Orion Empire 148	Posted - 2013.05.07 09:06:00 - [36] - Quote In case you kids haven't notice, ALL WEAPONS HAVE BEEN NERFED, except for the Tactical AR's that have a little boost. Stop complaining about you favorite weapon no been OP anymore. Personally i think CCP got the Balance spot on this time. I hope they just focus in Bugs now, and ignore all the spoiled brats in this forum.
Jathniel G I A N T EoN. 233	Posted - 2013.05.07 09:08:00 - [37] - Quote inserts obvious statement "All they had to do was eliminate Sharpshooter. Problem solved. Where was a damage nerf necessary? Find yourself on the wrong end of an HMG, and you're dead. All it's doing now, is blowing your hair dry and blowing leaves around. Our Heavies are beauticians and groundskeepers now." Nearly the entire Dust community is pulling its hair over this. The "numbers" are going to show that a lot of guys spec'd into their role, tried to play, and got shat on while rolling their proto gear. Anything less of HMG proto is a joke. These guys can't find a balance between cost/effectiveness for Jesus if he asked. The nerf was way over the top.
Jathniel G I A N T EoN. 235	Posted - 2013.05.07 09:10:00 - [38] - Quote Panther Alpha wrote: In case you kids haven't notice, ALL WEAPONS HAVE BEEN NERFED, except for the Tactical AR's that have a little boost. Stop complaining about you favorite weapon no been OP anymore. Personally i think CCP got the Balance spot on this time. I hope they just focus in Bugs now, and ignore all the spoiled brats in this forum. I generally think all the weapons are in a good spot now. But of all the nerfs, the HMG is the only "over-nerf".
Sergeant Wiznowski Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 44	Posted - 2013.05.07 09:21:00 - [39] - Quote Quote: <[CCP]Wolfman>: when it comes to the HMG, we're just going to watch the numbers and see how it performs Quote: <[CCP]Wolfman>: we will be watching the HMG stats to see how things perform. Then we'll make a decision on whether or not to make any further tweaks. Please please do not go Batllefield 3 way with Dice Telemetry Hammer. Let internal playtesters play the game (I hope you do have them ) and give you input how it feels.
Snagman 313 Carbon 7 63	Posted - 2013.05.07 10:03:00 - [40] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: Quote: <[CCP]Wolfman>: when it comes to the HMG, we're just going to watch the numbers and see how it performs Quote: <[CCP]Wolfman>: we will be watching the HMG stats to see how things perform. Then we'll make a decision on whether or not to make any further tweaks. UPDATED* So at least there's hope for a hotfix on HMG. Well I do remember in the Codex build I think it was?? When they cut our RPM down to 1500 and the damage was 16/17/17.6 and they had to buff up our RPM because we barely had any extra DPS over an assault rifle, those where the days when I used to use a Gek..... (shudders) now our damage is 14/15/15.6 I think now we have about 466.6 DPS compared to the old 533.3 DPS so rounding off the small points thats a reduction of 12.5% Now if my memory serves does a std Assault rifle have 31 dmg and 750 rpm (sorry if I got this wrong) So Std Assault rifle DPS would be 387.5 DPS so we have a 17% higher damage output assuming all rounds connect and ignoring all damage reductions given shield/armour bonuses. So we still have an edge but it's getting thin especially with the range nerf on top of the removal of SS. Personally to compensate I have changed my loadout and tactics drastically but we could use a little something back considering we got no new gear.

Kazio De Vihura Rave Technologies Inc. C0VEN 14	Posted - 2013.05.07 10:16:00 - [41] - Quote NIIKIA wrote: Only number he is going to watch soon is how many people walk away from this game. Tbqh if I wasnt a CEO I would be gone... I'm playing for the friends and realationships I've made I do not enjoy dust anymore. To be honest not many remain 4500 logged in during patch day, two weeks after uprising it will be 2000 but I fan boy and hope Im wrong...
Tiberion Deci Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 109	Posted - 2013.05.07 12:53:00 - [42] - Quote NeoWraith Acedia wrote: Up is down Well that's just maddeningly unhelpful. In all seriousness though the HMG is about as useful as spraying doo doo butter at your enemies. They get annoyed, and when they get tired of it they turn around and AR you to death.
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER TeamPlayers EoN. 194	Posted - 2013.05.07 13:06:00 - [43] - Quote Snagman 313 wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: Quote: <[CCP]Wolfman>: when it comes to the HMG, we're just going to watch the numbers and see how it performs Quote: <[CCP]Wolfman>: we will be watching the HMG stats to see how things perform. Then we'll make a decision on whether or not to make any further tweaks. UPDATED* So at least there's hope for a hotfix on HMG. Well I do remember in the Codex build I think it was?? When they cut our RPM down to 1500 and the damage was 16/17/17.6 and they had to buff up our RPM because we barely had any extra DPS over an assault rifle, those where the days when I used to use a Gek..... (shudders) now our damage is 14/15/15.6 I think now we have about 466.6 DPS compared to the old 533.3 DPS so rounding off the small points thats a reduction of 12.5% Now if my memory serves does a std Assault rifle have 31 dmg and 750 rpm (sorry if I got this wrong) So Std Assault rifle DPS would be 387.5 DPS so we have a 17% higher damage output assuming all rounds connect and ignoring all damage reductions given shield/armour bonuses. So we still have an edge but it's getting thin especially with the range nerf on top of the removal of SS. Personally to compensate I have changed my loadout and tactics drastically but we could use a little something back considering we got no new gear. the problem is your #s are based on firing an HMG at a target and ALL bullets hitting... which has NEVER been an accurate statement. lots of spray when firing an HMG, now the range is down to nothing, rather than some sort of balance in comparison to all other weapons on the field killing you. I can even generalize.. aside from the TAC AR and snipers, the maps that we have been playing forever now are utterly useless for combat with the ranges in this game now. You are standing on the pipes. I am directly below you. You can stand there and murder me. I can stand there, shoot 425 bullets right at your face, and not even ding your shields... sure it took you 2 clips to take me down with all my HP, but who cares? you didn't get touched by my gun, and stood on the pipes laughing at me the entire time thinking I have no aim cause I didn't even scratch your shields... broken
Son Down SamsClub 8	Posted - 2013.05.07 14:25:00 - [44] - Quote NIIKIA wrote: Only number he is going to watch soon is how many people walk away from this game. Tbqh if I wasnt a CEO I would be gone... I'm playing for the friends and realationships I've made I do not enjoy dust anymore. If you are playing a video game for "friends and relationships" then you are one sad panda.
HowDidThatTaste Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2434	Posted - 2013.05.07 14:28:00 - [45] - Quote Quote: <[CCP]Wolfman>: when it comes to the HMG, we're just going to watch the numbers and see how it performs Quote: <[CCP]Wolfman>: we will be watching the HMG stats to see how things perform. Then we'll make a decision on whether or not to make any further tweaks. I have enjoyed playing as a heavy from the beginning of this game. I'm not sure what the numbers can tell you about enjoyment levels. Listen to the people who have given you detailed feedback. It is no longer enjoyable to use the hmg the range is way to low to be effective, spending most of the match stationary or running real slow to the next fight only to die before getting in optimal range. Lots of work = not fun. Changing the base damage means if I do get close enough to someone to shoot it takes dang near every shot in my gun with proficiency five to take someone down. I reload twice as much, and am gimped for the next fight. If I was somehow able to kill someone it is usually with help someone else's help and I only got an assist for my efforts. = more reloading less kills = not so much fun. Not sure what else has happened but my overall view of the LIne of View has decreased increasing my blind spots of people shooting me from outside of my spacial awareness. Which really doesn't matter cause they are out if my range to fire back anyway, can't run away because well im fat, can't turn and fire at them to hopefully scare them off cause well I cant see them. Besides they would giggle at my marsh mellow firing hmg and still put me down= not so much fun. Decreasing the staife ability of the heavy on top of the above mentioned means that what is supposed to be my optimal kill range which is now 15-29 m at best. We are back to the hopping Scott/assault and even logie. For what ever reason with my settings to a 100 I can get out straifed in my "close combat kill zone role". I thought we get rid of this a few builds ago. So now that my damage is gone I can't protect myself from bugs bunny logie! This is extremely no fun= can't run away from them can't turn fast enough to track them, can't shoot enough damage to kill them= no fun. I think that the numbers may not reflect the sum of all the changes made at once please forget the numbers and listen to the players! It is not fun or enjoyable to play the HMG. How will you track the numbers when there is less players using the hmg?
Shouper of BHD Better Hide R Die 89	Posted - 2013.05.07 14:28:00 - [46] - Quote NIIKIA wrote: Only number he is going to watch soon is how many people walk away from this game. Tbqh if I wasnt a CEO I would be gone... I'm playing for the friends and realationships I've made I do not enjoy dust anymore. well cost compared to the AR for the suit and gun they might find it balanced, take all the parts to this in consideration, they are a talented group and can work out this problem.
martinofski Rebelles A Quebec Orion Empire 49	Posted - 2013.05.07 15:02:00 - [47] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: Quote: <[CCP]Wolfman>: when it comes to the HMG, we're just going to watch the numbers and see how it performs Quote: <[CCP]Wolfman>: we will be watching the HMG stats to see how things perform. Then we'll make a decision on whether or not to make any further tweaks. UPDATED* So at least there's hope for a hotfix on HMG. They wont see any numbers from me until they fix it. I played yesterday, read the forum and can't spend any of my points in there knowing all this will probably change (or not). I have lost faith it is going to in the good direction. Also, how can I train in heavy dropsuit when there is only 1 variant, the Amarr armor type...can't waste SP there either. Range is messed up all across. I understand some gun use plasma ammo which "dissapear" in the air. How does the old school HMG bullet just dissapear at 15 meters, it's just fell wrong. Give me crazy kickback and 50m range instead, so I would fell like handling a big gun that can actually shoot something else than rubber pellets... It shoot bullets at 15 meters....I can throw a grenade further with my hands. 15 meters, that is a little longer than a school bus lol. I would draw something up to show what is in my head, quite funny They forgot to add the gunpowder in the bullets I guess . I don't want to play the AR at all, but the rest seems useless from what I read here on the forum... Laser are slow MD have no more splash HMG no range Shotgun nova knife range Swarm launcher...tried the militia on a DS and I loled hard. Pistol looks strong still SMG, not sure. Forge gun look like before, just not sure about the splash, if changed or not. Might go forge gun route with a militia suit until they bring the other races. Idk. Can someone list the new ranges (approx. ) for each weapon type without trolling it and DPS?
SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 2257	Posted - 2013.05.07 15:25:00 - [48] - Quote CCP said in another thread these threads don't get ignored. I wonder how they can say that with 2 months of threads from every top heavy players saying, "DONT NERF - MAYBE JUST RANGE" Thanks for the nerf sludge hammer CCP - I love how you guys say you listen. Forums really show how much you do as well as your awful Uprising build.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. CRONOS. 3941	Posted - 2013.05.07 15:28:00 - [49] - Quote /me predicts there is no spikes in the data.
martinofski Rebelles A Quebec Orion Empire 49	Posted - 2013.05.07 15:30:00 - [50] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: /me predicts there is no spikes in the data. Inverted spikes

Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming EoN. 290	Posted - 2013.05.07 15:40:00 - [51] - Quote Numbers don't tell you everything. Just what numbers is he looking at anyway? How many stupid MLT pubbies run straight at the Heavy? Because those are the only kills I get most of the time.
Panoscape BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire 129	Posted - 2013.05.07 15:48:00 - [52] - Quote Pre uprising all I played was heavy. Last night I tested the waters with the free AV fit and changed the pistol to the toxin SMG and changed out the low slots with free armor BPO's. In game, I saw a full health heavy coming my way and waited around a corner for him. When he rounded the corner we started to dance. I strafed and dodged with my SMG, right through is pepper spray HMG. I aimed for his head and he fell dead... to a free suit with a militia SMG. I was slivered, but won the fight, that should not have happened. Please note, I have yet to distribute my SP... so I had no SP bonuses. If I ran a shotti his death would have been quicker. After that encounter and reading everything on the forums, I don't think I'll speck into heavy again. I'll give it a go with a cheap heavy fit and see... but not expecting much. The heavy seamed like he was stuck in mud and his HMG rained BB's, they stung but did not kill. I could not imagine what it would be like for an uprising heavy going up against any shield tanked proto suit... I will not be specking into the heavy until things change.
Smoky The Bear Intergalactic Cannibus Cartel 18	Posted - 2013.05.07 15:50:00 - [53] - Quote The Loathing wrote: Good to hear they are watching it closely. CAN THEY PLEASE DO THE SAME THING FOR MASS DRIVERS? IM beyond mad..now.. im DIEHARD MD player and without it IM LEAVING>> PEACE OUT YOU CRAPPY PROGRAMMERS>.
NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 196	Posted - 2013.05.07 16:47:00 - [54] - Quote Musta Tornius wrote: NeoWraith Acedia wrote: Bubba Brown wrote: keep the range nerf, that's fine. crouch and ADS for hmgs last build was retardedly powerful but for god's sake, why the damage nerf? 15m is not fine man, at least 25-30 or something! and what exactly is this 15 m you are talking about? That might be wrong, I heard it from someone else, but if it's true then that's just stupid! You don't go from 34 to 15.
NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 196	Posted - 2013.05.07 16:49:00 - [55] - Quote Panther Alpha wrote: Personally i think CCP got the Balance spot on this time. Chromosmoe was far better than this
Flor Valentine The Phoenix Federation 0	Posted - 2013.05.07 18:20:00 - [56] - Quote I canGÇÖt see myself playing any other class, other than HEAVY. I was thinking of logistics but canGÇÖt stand the yellow, needs to be toned down a bit add more blacks to it. I ended up buying aurum heavy drop suit and unlocked HMG. It wasnGÇÖt ideal but I noticed the AR also didnGÇÖt have their range also. There was an instance that someone basically ran at me dead on. I lay on my HMG trigger, thinking easy kill about chest level was able to go thru his shields and half his armor, before my death. I felt so much of a pushover that it made it all sad. The damage nerf was unnecessary, since it looks like body placement on bullets is high in effect. If I aim to the head I kill people in few clicks, aim below that you most get tickled. I didnGÇÖt want to go in AMAR but the benefit of the kick back per level going to have to give that a try. I am going 9/3 7/2 after I skilled more into the HMG. I have to see later on how it works out for me. Why does a boundless HMG do 1more damage than a HMG? ItGÇÖs going to take lots of tactics to get into firing range of the enemies which will require lots of help of your squad providing cover fire. I did adjust to 100 on sensitivity and turned aim assist off. Also pick your regions server that might help on lag. Longest Kill was on the 37+ range so maybe after dispersion upgrades might do a little better. This thing with precision aiming needs to go away with the HMG. ItGÇÖs an HMG it has an accuracy of 50% I think. The HMG is made to just be fired and free, prior to update when you saw the bullets fire it will fill the whole circle now it seems the bullets have a smaller circumference.
WhataguyTTU Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 2	Posted - 2013.05.07 21:30:00 - [57] - Quote WhataguyTTU wrote: OK, Heavies are fine to the average VET I have not had too much additional troubles pwn'in faces as before uprising. EXCEPT the stupid slow turning speed. Now when scouts get in my face I ** my pants as I try to keep up with them (maxed sensitivty). This was originally boner city as ne one within 10meters would die in less then 2 seconds. Heavies can no longer show off their dancing skills with strafing, BOOO! Aside from that, heavies are still quite formidable. Ya we got a nerf but so did everything else practically. I will say that forges guns are coming out more often than they used to. 75% of the time I would rock HMG and melt faces, now role has almost switched with the forge gun. HMG can still poop in peoples mouths (within its new range) you just need to be more accurate. See what happens when you hit someone on the dot of your reticle with a Burst machine gun (I was getting 1 shot burst last night, on ADV suits!). HMG can no longer be utilized as spray and pray, the DMG just isn't there. NOW for newberts starting out in the game, they will ultimately get pwnd. Its almost not worth speccing heavy unless you have good amount of SP already. (~6mil sp). As a 1012eHP PROTObear, I am already having some trouble keeping up with top end assualt/logi players in advanced suits. There is no incentive for newbies to play heavy currently, without a CCP hotfix that will never come, the heavy population will plummet. This game is a hard game to commit to with all its current trouble and bugs, but ultimately needs a bigger player base so that CCP wont be so desperate to empty our wallets and might be able to budget a bigger/better team for development. NOOBS are super frustrating, but are necessary for our beloved game to thrive. Nonetheless we are ultimately gambling that this game with be amazing 6months-1yr down the road. So really, ENOUGH QQ MORE PEW PEW. If you can no longer stand this game after a couple weeks into this Uprising build then find another game, the constant bitching and whining does not make our game better. SIDENOTE: Ever since Uprising came out, my PS3 no longer suffer constant hard freezes (w/ PS3s IP set in DMZ in router). I used to freezing everything ***** game and hadn't hit cap in the past two weeks. Lots of homos like me have this trouble stil, try this DMZ option if you have done the PS3's restore database and file system, unistall/restal dust clientl, game data deletion.....etc.


Pages: 1 [2] :: one page
First page \| Previous page \| Next page \| Last page