But if you look how they cripple almost all suits (at least how majority interprets the available data), CCP maybe wants to move us all from cookie-cutter-slayer fits we all tended to build as of late... Maybe the overall balance of the game turns up okay-ish... Just saying.

Scouts are more utility and mobility than combat use. I don't see the issue. If you want to fight, get an assault or heavy.

So the purpose of a scout is to run around a little faster than everyone else and not kill anything? I would have no problem with scouts if they had a USEFUL and PRODUCTIVE role to play on the battlefield. But right now? They really don't serve any useful purpose that a different suit can't meet or exceed in effectiveness.

I am really disappointed that CCP is going this route with scouts. I think having a variant with 2 equipment slots would be just the thing to make them into sneaky, high speed commandos. But instead we get bonuses towards scanning range (7.5m vs. 5.0m yay) or melee/knife damage. Being a dedicated knifer can be amusing and fun for some people, but it doesn't win you corp matches.

Is it too much to ask that the scout should be able to do something that actually helps win matches?

I'm speccing shotgun scout again in Uprising. It remains to be seen whether scouts will have any role in corp matches. Scanning bonus is great, but that's only on perk.

Hopefully cloaking devices will come soon, which should give us more utility.

So the purpose of a scout is to run around a little faster than everyone else and not kill anything? I would have no problem with scouts if they had a USEFUL and PRODUCTIVE role to play on the battlefield. But right now? They really don't serve any useful purpose that a different suit can't meet or exceed in effectiveness.

I am really disappointed that CCP is going this route with scouts. I think having a variant with 2 equipment slots would be just the thing to make them into sneaky, high speed commandos. But instead we get bonuses towards scanning range (7.5m vs. 5.0m yay) or melee/knife damage. Being a dedicated knifer can be amusing and fun for some people, but it doesn't win you corp matches.

Is it too much to ask that the scout should be able to do something that actually helps win matches?

I'll wait to see the skills and suits in Uprising, just to make sure. But I'm not very hopeful about the Scout suit. Currently, it requires the same, if not more SP, investment than the Heavy to be fit well. Not to mention it takes a skillful player to be able to use properly and maintain a good KDR.

I tried but couldn't find the thread that spoke about the Scout Suit only being a liability in PC. I wanted to write a long post on how I disagree with that and how in the hands of a good player the Scout can shine. However given the changes in Uprising, I concede to believe this will most likely be the case. I think the Scout will be relegated to 'for the lulz' Pub matches if even that.


Re: Cloaking and other future events.
Don't hold your breath. Also, why would I rely my impending skill progression on a future mechanic when I have no clue as to its mechanics and how it will be implemented. And what if I DON'T WANT to use cloaking? And I think it's very limiting for Scouts to HAVE to use Cloaking to be viable. Not to mention this Cloaking Module will likely cost an arm and a leg CPU/PG and where are you getting your spare CPU/PG? Magic.

Bigger maps? Guess who's sitting on a perch somewhere ready to OSK you as you're running across the battlefield. A head-glitched sniper with a Charged/Thales that's who. Thanks for playing, try again.


Scouts are hamstrung from the beginning, but still viable in the current build given enough SP investment in the right skills. Uprising just cut our legs right from under us. I'm sticking with it because I'm stubborn, a glutton for punishment, and because I like the challenge. But when I start being a liability to my team come PC. I'm dumping the Scout.

So the purpose of a scout is to run around a little faster than everyone else and not kill anything? I would have no problem with scouts if they had a USEFUL and PRODUCTIVE role to play on the battlefield. But right now? They really don't serve any useful purpose that a different suit can't meet or exceed in effectiveness.

I am really disappointed that CCP is going this route with scouts. I think having a variant with 2 equipment slots would be just the thing to make them into sneaky, high speed commandos. But instead we get bonuses towards scanning range (7.5m vs. 5.0m yay) or melee/knife damage. Being a dedicated knifer can be amusing and fun for some people, but it doesn't win you corp matches.

Is it too much to ask that the scout should be able to do something that actually helps win matches?

inb4 people abused signature radius and stealth when it comes out

I want to argue that everything got a mega nerf in the game so it all balances out...... but im too tired to care.

Frigates are not destroyers and destroyers are not cruisers, just like scouts are not assaults and assaults are not heavies. If a merc can fit the same gear on a scout suit as an assault suit minus one small thing then there is a big problem. Scouts are like frigates; fast, quick, stealthy by nature and low damage by nature. If you want the biggest gun an assault merc runs then you should have to give something up.

What do you want a scout to do? They are scouts and they should fill that role. Espionage, intelligence, sabotage and stealthy behind enemy lines stuff. Putting a proto AR in your suit should eat most of your resources, it's like putting medium weapons on a frigate, yeah it might work but what was sacrificed? If the answer is little to nothing then the suit is broken.

Frigates are not destroyers and destroyers are not cruisers, just like scouts are not assaults and assaults are not heavies. If a merc can fit the same gear on a scout suit as an assault suit minus one small thing then there is a big problem. Scouts are like frigates; fast, quick, stealthy by nature and low damage by nature. If you want the biggest gun an assault merc runs then you should have to give something up.

I love how this guy is EVE this EVE that like your paradigms apply. Dust is a different animal. I think you might have been podded once too many.

Ooh espionage, intelligence, sabotage, stealth, speed. Tell me more of these things that are exclusive to scout suits. They aren't. The only thing a Scout ever really has that is a Scout's exclusively is the smaller hit boxes that's it, if that's even still the case in Uprising (also the laggy frames resulting in wacky hit detection helps with that, but supposedly that's fixed now too.) Everything else can be copied (and even surpassed) by both Assaults and Logis.

Have you seen the Minmatar Assault suit? See how potentially it can be better at SMGs than the Scout who will look to it as an AR alternative because of the less CPU requirement? Guess what, it can fit a Kin Cat, and Dampener too on it's two lows. So there it's already equalled a Scout's Speed and Stealth. Oh but look you can probably fit in a Proto Weapon sacrifice some Shields and still get a higher total EHP than the Scout but pack a much stronger punch. To top it off, an Active Scanner on the equipment slot. Wait there's more, what's it's passive Assault Class bonus? 25% better shield regen! Perfect!


YEY! Step aside Scouts, I got this.


Explain to me again what the Scout's role is as you most obviously know more than I do. You do run the scout suit right?