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Tarmageddon XIII Legio Prima Victrix Imperius Legio Victrix 0	Posted - 2013.05.05 07:16:00 - [1] - Quote Hi there, Look, I know I'll get a lot of flak for this, but I did read the forum rules carefully before posting and see that constructive critiscism is encouraged, but flaming and trolling is not, so please think about that before you reply. This is purely intended to be constructive. I WANT DUST as much as anyone else, but that doesn't mean I will pretend that everything is perfect just because I want it to be. Ok, so here goes. I am something of a veteran FPS player on PS, X-Box and PC. I am also an EvE player, so naturally when I heard about DUST coming out I was excited. A mixture of my two favourite genres, what could be better? Whilst I don't like comparing computer games to each other, sometimes it's necessary when they share certain elements or themes. For this reason if I make any comparisons to CoD or Battlefield it is because they are currently at the top of the console-gaming market, they set the bar. I'll start with what I love about DUST so you can see I am a gamer not a hater. First the whole idea is awesome, not only do you get to play an FPS based on a futuristic universe, but id you find yourself wondering "I wonder what the rest of the universe is like in this futuristic game" you need not wonder, since the universe is beautifully laid out for you with EvE Online. I am also really impressed with the way CCP intergrated the EvE-style skills system with DUST, and managed to make it work. With CoD and BF3 I get almost as much enjoyment out of messing about with my character in between matches as I do from playing the fps itself, and DUST is no disappointment in that respect. Theory-craft is FUN, and being an EvE player I feel like I am already "in the know" as to how the game works. Unfortunately, the let-down for me comes when I actually play the battles, and considering that is the core of the game, it was a really big let-down for me. The first thing which is immediately noticable is the quality of the graphics. I know graphics aren't everything, I still love playing games from the beginnings of my gaming hobby such as F29 Retaliator or Wolf 3D. Game-play is first and foremost, but graphics ARE important when you release a brand-new FPS. FPS games are (the clue is in the name) FIRST PERSON Shooters, which means when you view the world around you you're supposed to be "seeing" it from the eyes of your avatar. The more realistic the graphics are, the more you believe in your character and the more immersing the game is. When FarCry 2 came out you could practically taste the seat-fabric in the Land-Rover in the opening scene (I don't lick car seats by the way) and that is the level graphics are expected to be at nowadays. Again, sorry for comparing, but BF3 pulled it off, the later CoD games pulled it off, so as a veteran of these games I felt like I was going back in time. The next hitch was the controls. As in, what button does what. FPS games from all different developers have, over the years, come to almost a "standard" set of controls for FPS. CCP changed it. Why? Of course, it is their perogative, it's THEIR game so of course they can use whatever controls they like. Also, a good chunk of DUST players may well come straight from EvE and never have played a FPS, or at least not seriously before, so they wouldn't have any expectations - but for those players who DO come from other FPS and want DUST to take over as THE FPS to play, it's just confusing. Yeah, sure, I can get used to it, but surely it would have drawn people in quicker if they could jump straight in with the controls they are used to. To put it another way, if a car manufacturer brought out a new car with the accelerator on the left, the brake on the right and the clutch in the middle, people wouldn't buy it because the test-drive would suck. Yes, they could get used to it, but the clunky test-drive would be enough to put most of them off for good. Then I tried driving a jeep. Although I know this ISN'T Battlefield, I still think it's important when developing anything, to see how others have done something and use some of their ideas and experience when they have done something right. If the CCP devs spent some time playing BF3 just to see how the opposition was looking, they would have found that BF3 vehicles are a real joy to drive. They have realistic controls to make you feel involved, just hard enough to drive well to keep you interested, yet easy enough that it isn't frustrating. You can jump into a BF3 jeep and get it from A to B in no-time. With practice you can be Jack Brabbham. Driving the DUST jeeps just feels like a chore, swerving wildly to and fro bumping into things and ultimately getting shot. Again, I am sure with a lot of practice you can master them, but why make them so user-unfriendly? Continued.....
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 151	Posted - 2013.05.05 07:18:00 - [2] - Quote You'll be happy to know that all the things you talked about in the second half asda will be fixed come the 6th
Tarmageddon XIII Legio Prima Victrix Imperius Legio Victrix 0	Posted - 2013.05.05 07:21:00 - [3] - Quote There are a number of other quibbles and gripes, but I will leave them alone because they are just that, quibbles and gripes not make-or-break failures, but here is the fundimental thing which makes me feel that DUST 514 has missed the mark as a modern FPS: With CoD and BF3 I have lost countless days to them, the reason being that they are massively addictive. You play a level and you finish up wanting more, whether it be that you are THAT close to unlocking the next weapon or upgrade, or whether it is because you have been sparring against someone in your lobby (which doesn't seem to exist at the moment on DUST) all morning and JUST want to get him one more time, or whether you think "I'll just play until I level up once more" or you are headed for that last prestige, SOMETHING always keeps you interested. This applies especially to Battlefield 3 as it is a far superior game to CoD, and also with the vehicles, aircraft and large maps a lot closer to DUST. I relish the playing the next round of BF3, I wait for that count-down to run out so I can waste another 10-30 minutes on playing it. With DUST it just feels like a chore, two or three rounds is all it takes for me to have had enough, and what makes or breaks an FPS is that with a really REALLY good one, you can never get enough. So again, I am really sorry to CCP for feeling this way, and maybe I have been over-critical, to be fair DUST is pretty good, but we are talking about CCP here, they developed EvE which is SO far ahead of any other MMORPG out there that it might as well be on another planet (no pun intended) so I wasn't expecting an OK FPS or even a GOOD FPS, I was expecting something so mind-blowingly awesome that everything else paled into comparison, and with so few tweaks and lessons taken from other leading FPS games they could have achieved it, but unfortunately, sorry to say this, DUST 514 missed.... Lastly I am sure some of you will say, hey, if you don't like it, don't play, no need to write an essay about it, and with any other game from any other developer I would have done just that, but I WANT DUST to succeed, and I know that when it is released to hundreds of thousands of other ex-fps players a good number of them will be thinking exactly the same as me, so I figured I HAD to say something or I would feel that I had done nothing. Hope this explains it. Gòª
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 458	Posted - 2013.05.05 07:25:00 - [4] - Quote CCP, this guy represents your playerbase or would be playerbase. For every one person brave enough to voice their opinion on here there's probably ~50 who don't. Instead of listening to people QQing for nerfs, do something to keep new players wanting to play.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3689	Posted - 2013.05.05 07:31:00 - [5] - Quote Wait until May 6th, as many of your feedback may have already been addressed in the new build. This is what Dust will look like: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5J7JJ-QWSx8 & http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjMwiqmBs1o Here is some patch notes: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=71944&find=unread Dust 514 keynote at EVE Fanfest 2013 talks about the improvements and additions to Dust coming: http://www.twitch.tv/ccp/c/2204060 Also feedback belongs in the feedback/request section.
Smooth Head Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 15	Posted - 2013.05.05 08:01:00 - [6] - Quote The game is very sub-par. It may improve a bit on the 6th, but CCP have a record of breaking as much as they fix. And on a variety of issues CCP have acted like deceptive prats while trying to flog off a game on an end of life platform. I wouldn't call this a brilliant state of affairs.
MarakPS3 Daga Bojo's School of the Trades 34	Posted - 2013.05.05 08:19:00 - [7] - Quote i agree with your sentiments, and am looking forward to the next few days. i hope they are as good as they seem.
Harkon Vysarii Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 203	Posted - 2013.05.05 08:21:00 - [8] - Quote Im so glad you went about this positively. Personally I have no gripes not with all the graphics fixes we have been promised, some new content, not to mention Ive played games that have trolled me a whole lot more than DUST ever could. Im not really a CCP fanboy and this is the first real beta test Ive been a part of and its kind of cool and new for me. I hold out for the possibility DUST will become something more than the average crappy FPS.
Deskalkulos Ildigan CrimeWave Syndicate 120	Posted - 2013.05.05 08:30:00 - [9] - Quote To make a constructive criticism on your Thread Termageddon XIII, You posted this thread in the wrong subforum. You are giving Feedback, which is supposed to be posted in the Feedback/Requests Subforum.
Son Down SamsClub 8	Posted - 2013.05.05 08:37:00 - [10] - Quote Awwww, CCP didn't cater to your inabilty to compete in a console shooter Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!! next up

Smooth Head Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 16	Posted - 2013.05.05 08:41:00 - [11] - Quote Son Down wrote: Awwww, CCP didn't cater to your inabilty to compete in a console shooter Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!! next up "Why are we all playing here alone?"
La Fortune Terranauts 91	Posted - 2013.05.05 08:49:00 - [12] - Quote A well written post Tarmageddon XIII, you've highlighted a lot of concerns people have had over DUST. Fortunately with the Uprising build tomorrow, a lot of these issues will hopefully be fixed or at least reduced. I've been in the beta now for almost a year and trust me when I say that DUST has evolved leaps and bounds over what we were initially given after fanfest, it was truly dreadful (though fun in a frustrating way) and reminded me a lot of Battlefield 1942 in gameplay. But the graphics were sparse, everything was desert with one texture, the frame rate was unbearable (Chromosome is very smooth in comparison, though Uprising will be much better) and everything was just so flaky. Given time CCP can deliver, they're just a company that requires patience, which if you're playing EVE online you tend to have, but DUST is a very different audience in a lot of cases. Anyway, stick around for the update tomorrow and you may be pleasantly surprised.
Harkon Vysarii Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 204	Posted - 2013.05.05 08:50:00 - [13] - Quote Son Down wrote: Awwww, CCP didn't cater to your inabilty to compete in a console shooter Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!! next up Never heard of you or your corp troll completely ignored. We have bigger and better trolls that you any how
Llan Heindell One-Armed Bandits Atrocitas 41	Posted - 2013.05.05 09:29:00 - [14] - Quote I admire the OP, I really do. But posting this one day before the Uprising is like complaining about no presents one day before Christmas. I hope the OP sticks around. So Dust 514 playerbase would be +1 good person. With the slight defect of finding CoD playable. xD~ (But that's a matter of opinion... :\| ) Llan Heindell.
La Fortune Terranauts 91	Posted - 2013.05.05 09:46:00 - [15] - Quote Llan Heindell wrote: I admire the OP, I really do. But posting this one day before the Uprising is like complaining about no presents one day before Christmas. I hope the OP sticks around. So Dust 514 playerbase would be +1 good person. With the slight defect of finding CoD playable. xD~ (But that's a matter of opinion... :\| ) Llan Heindell. I used to be a COD player... And by that I mean Call of Duty, you know, from 2003. It was a cool game back then
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 437	Posted - 2013.05.05 10:41:00 - [16] - Quote Quote: For this reason if I make any comparisons to CoD or Battlefield it is because they are currently at the top of the console-gaming market, they set the bar. I stopped reading there
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 158	Posted - 2013.05.05 10:46:00 - [17] - Quote Hey, nice to see a reasoned presentation of issue for consideration. Not sure how the thread will evolve but it was a good start...
Ryder Azorria Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 266	Posted - 2013.05.05 10:49:00 - [18] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Quote: For this reason if I make any comparisons to CoD or Battlefield it is because they are currently at the top of the console-gaming market, they set the bar. I stopped reading there CoD is a good game, or to be more accurate, it's a good example of one type of game - a simple fast paced twitch shooter. And while Dust is a different beast, there is some overlap between the two courtesy of both being an FPS. EDIT: @OP, as others have said, Uprising should be what Dust and CCP is judged by, not Chromosome - CCP really can completely change a game with just one expansion.
steadyhand amarr The Red Apple 459	Posted - 2013.05.05 10:53:00 - [19] - Quote play the game tomorrow i think you will find a few of your issues are taken care of :P
Tarmageddon XIII Legio Prima Victrix Imperius Legio Victrix 7	Posted - 2013.05.05 12:35:00 - [20] - Quote Hi guys, thanks for the replies. With regard to this thread being in the wrong section, I saw that one of the rules in the Feedback section was not to make a list of items for feedback, I felt that my thread constituted a list as opposed to a single item for feedback, and that is why it went here. Apologies to the mods if I got it wrong. With regards to CoD I know it has a lot of followers and a lot of haters. From my point of view it fills a slot in the FPS market, and that is rapid, arcade-style gameplay with focus on speed and adrenaline rather than realism. Some people hate that, some people thrive on it. I see it as part of my expansive gaming menu. If I want a more battle-simulator type of FPS I will play BF3 or Arma, but if I am in the need of a "quick fix" rather than the focus of a proper battle I'll pick up CoD. I also appreciate that my comment about them setting the bar will go against the grain for a lot of people, but you only have to look at the sales success of both games to see that even if it's not your own PERSONAL cup of tea, they must be doing something right or no-one would buy it. I wasn't trying to pass off CoD as the last word in combat simulation, and I apologise for the mis-understanding if that's what you thought. Finally, to the person who said they hope I carry on playing and see how it ends up, I fully intend to. I can't play tomorrow when the patch comes out on account of being stuck on a ship working in the South China Sea at the moment, but it is definitely on the list to catch up with when I'm home. Thanks again for the replies, critiscisms and support. Gòª

Aisha Ctarl The Vanguardians Orion Empire 13	Posted - 2013.05.05 12:42:00 - [21] - Quote I agree. I was stymied when R3 wasn't crouch and when triangle wasn't switch weapon. Also as you said, the jeeps are near impossible to drive in DUST. I love vehicles in BF3, but in DUST I'm already like "forget that, I'll just be an infantryman."
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 65	Posted - 2013.05.05 14:11:00 - [22] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: You'll be happy to know that all the things you talked about in the second half will be fixed come the 6th you read all that? i didn't get through the first sentence.
SILENTSAM 69 Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION 451	Posted - 2013.05.05 14:14:00 - [23] - Quote I face palmed at BF3 and CoD "setting the bar." Those games are examples of failure and what not to do. I would say you need to play more before you will understand how wrong you are here. Not to mention the update will deal with most of this.
Dr Bones McCoy Contract Hunters 4	Posted - 2013.05.05 14:22:00 - [24] - Quote #1. The game is in beta. #2. The game is free. #3. Most importantly, the game is working out the kinks on a revolutionary new idea that will make a large impact in the gaming world. I respect the thoughts, really, but before judging too hard, you should wait until the official release.
tribal wyvern ZionTCD Unclaimed. 852	Posted - 2013.05.05 15:01:00 - [25] - Quote Smooth Head wrote: The game is very sub-par. It may improve a bit on the 6th, but CCP have a record of breaking as much as they fix. And on a variety of issues CCP have acted like deceptive prats while trying to flog off a game on an end of life platform. I wouldn't call this a brilliant state of affairs. 'End of life platform'? Boy what planet are you on? Ps3 has at leaste another 2-3 years life left. Not everyone will buy a ps4 on release. People will still be playing ps3 long after ps4 has launched. I waited 3 years after ps3 launch to buy one, and so will people with ps4, because launch consoles always have problems.
Tac Com Sand Mercenary Corps Inc. 47	Posted - 2013.05.05 15:07:00 - [26] - Quote tribal wyvern wrote: Smooth Head wrote: The game is very sub-par. It may improve a bit on the 6th, but CCP have a record of breaking as much as they fix. And on a variety of issues CCP have acted like deceptive prats while trying to flog off a game on an end of life platform. I wouldn't call this a brilliant state of affairs. 'End of life platform'? Boy what planet are you on? Ps3 has at leaste another 2-3 years life left. Not everyone will buy a ps4 on release. People will still be playing ps3 long after ps4 has launched. I waited 3 years after ps3 launch to buy one, and so will people with ps4, because launch consoles always have problems. Not to mention that even after a new console is released, there is still content being released for the older console for a few years. When a new console releases the majority of people who own consoles don't run out and buy it right away. Usually they wait for the dust to settle, a stronger lineup of games to come out, and when the price has come down from the early adoption period.
Surt gods end Demon Ronin 56	Posted - 2013.05.05 15:14:00 - [27] - Quote This is the FACT. BF4 is coming out. And it won't be the game that gobbles up a huge player base, its the beta that comes before it. BF3 was far from great. But Battlefield games still have a very great player base. 1943. Anyone play it? ******* fun as hell. Looking for more TEAM BASED. Arma 3. That realistic. TEAM FORTRESS. Not that cartoony. SOCOM, MAG. Planetside 2. Twich skill fps? TRibes, UNREAL. and can go on.. THESE GAMES STILL HAVE AN ACTIVE PLAYER BASE FAR MORE THEN 5 months. With out the "SKILL TREE" of dust. But We won't know off the bat if dust is going to keep its numbers or gain, or lose. not may6 or in two weeks. time will tell. could be it ends up like eve. And thats a good and bad thing.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 201	Posted - 2013.05.05 15:16:00 - [28] - Quote I want to see people Criticize the Uprising build tomorrow, as CCP should be focused on fixing bugs/ problems with that build and not this one anymore. The game tomorrow is going to be a practically different game from today and im excited to see how it goes.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 201	Posted - 2013.05.05 15:21:00 - [29] - Quote Surt gods end wrote: This is the FACT. BF4 is coming out. And it won't be the game that gobbles up a huge player base, its the beta that comes before it. BF3 was far from great. But Battlefield games still have a very great player base. 1943. Anyone play it? ******* fun as hell. Looking for more TEAM BASED. Arma 3. That realistic. TEAM FORTRESS. Not that cartoony. SOCOM, MAG. Planetside 2. Twich skill fps? TRibes, UNREAL. and can go on.. THESE GAMES STILL HAVE AN ACTIVE PLAYER BASE FAR MORE THEN 5 months. With out the "SKILL TREE" of dust. But We won't know off the bat if dust is going to keep its numbers or gain, or lose. not may6 or in two weeks. time will tell. could be it ends up like eve. And thats a good and bad thing. It all depends on advertising (people will play a game if they know it exists beforehand right??? especially if its a free download......). and how streamlined they make it. The thing that'll really make this game last a long time is if CCP can find a way that streamlines the game enough to allow newbies to get in and have fun, while also keeping it deep enough for veterans to keep themselves occupied. All of this WONT be coming tomorrow, BUT I think the build after this one is when the game is going to start looking REALLLLYYY polished. Im almost positive drones will be appearing soon along with dozens of new dropsuits/weapons and vehicles...... the future is only looking brighter and im excited for it
Aighun Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 818	Posted - 2013.05.05 15:31:00 - [30] - Quote Tarmageddon XIII wrote: Hi guys, thanks for the replies. With regard to this thread being in the wrong section, I saw that one of the rules in the Feedback section was not to make a list of items for feedback, I felt that my thread constituted a list as opposed to a single item for feedback, and that is why it went here. Apologies to the mods if I got it wrong. With regards to CoD I know it has a lot of followers and a lot of haters. From my point of view it fills a slot in the FPS market, and that is rapid, arcade-style gameplay with focus on speed and adrenaline rather than realism. Some people hate that, some people thrive on it. I see it as part of my expansive gaming menu. If I want a more battle-simulator type of FPS I will play BF3 or Arma, but if I am in the need of a "quick fix" rather than the focus of a proper battle I'll pick up CoD. I also appreciate that my comment about them setting the bar will go against the grain for a lot of people, but you only have to look at the sales success of both games to see that even if it's not your own PERSONAL cup of tea, they must be doing something right or no-one would buy it. I wasn't trying to pass off CoD as the last word in combat simulation, and I apologise for the mis-understanding if that's what you thought. Finally, to the person who said they hope I carry on playing and see how it ends up, I fully intend to. I can't play tomorrow when the patch comes out on account of being stuck on a ship working in the South China Sea at the moment, but it is definitely on the list to catch up with when I'm home. Thanks again for the replies, critiscisms and support. Gòª We'll look forward to an update. Hopefully soon and not Soon (tm) Keep up the good work.

Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 649	Posted - 2013.05.05 15:52:00 - [31] - Quote Let me guess; you started writing the post a few weeks ago, you procrastinated, trying to get something down day after day, then realized they're releasing a build that fixes most of the stuff you complain about so you finally got serious about writing the rest?
slypie11 Planetary Response Organisation 260	Posted - 2013.05.05 16:07:00 - [32] - Quote Marston VC wrote: Surt gods end wrote: This is the FACT. BF4 is coming out. And it won't be the game that gobbles up a huge player base, its the beta that comes before it. BF3 was far from great. But Battlefield games still have a very great player base. 1943. Anyone play it? ******* fun as hell. Looking for more TEAM BASED. Arma 3. That realistic. TEAM FORTRESS. Not that cartoony. SOCOM, MAG. Planetside 2. Twich skill fps? TRibes, UNREAL. and can go on.. THESE GAMES STILL HAVE AN ACTIVE PLAYER BASE FAR MORE THEN 5 months. With out the "SKILL TREE" of dust. But We won't know off the bat if dust is going to keep its numbers or gain, or lose. not may6 or in two weeks. time will tell. could be it ends up like eve. And thats a good and bad thing. It all depends on advertising (people will play a game if they know it exists beforehand right??? especially if its a free download......). and how streamlined they make it. The thing that'll really make this game last a long time is if CCP can find a way that streamlines the game enough to allow newbies to get in and have fun, while also keeping it deep enough for veterans to keep themselves occupied. All of this WONT be coming tomorrow, BUT I think the build after this one is when the game is going to start looking REALLLLYYY polished. Im almost positive drones will be appearing soon along with dozens of new dropsuits/weapons and vehicles...... the future is only looking brighter and im excited for it Don't forget economy.
Idye Lotz The Cloned Soldier Coalition 25	Posted - 2013.05.05 16:31:00 - [33] - Quote I don't play fps, not a great deal of them anyway. So yeah I came into Dust with little expectations, except I liked the idea of the link between EVE (which I don't play either). The controls are similar to Mass Effect which I love so they've not bothered me. The only real thing that annoys me is the bugs (dropsuits not loading, getting stuck on hills, etc etc.).
Tarmageddon XIII Legio Prima Victrix Imperius Legio Victrix 9	Posted - 2013.05.05 16:45:00 - [34] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: Let me guess; you started writing the post a few weeks ago, you procrastinated, trying to get something down day after day, then realized they're releasing a build that fixes most of the stuff you complain about so you finally got serious about writing the rest? Wrong on all counts I'm afraid. I started thinking about writing the post a few weeks ago right after my last DUST session when I realised that the "X" factor that it was missing was the ability to keep me addicted to playing for more than three or four rounds on the trot. I then came to work (as I mentioned before I work on a ship) and haven't had time to scratch my behind, far less write long posts about my gaming experiences for over a month. Then, earlier today I got my first half-hour free that I've had in weeks and decided to get it done. I found out about the patch from the replies on this thread. Sorry. SILENTSAM 69 wrote: I face palmed at BF3 and CoD "setting the bar." Those games are examples of failure and what not to do. I would say you need to play more before you will understand how wrong you are here. Not to mention the update will deal with most of this I'm not entirely sure how you can justify calling one of the highest grossing games franchises ever an example of failure, I'd be the first to admit that CoD is an acquired taste, and kind of like the MacDonalds of the gaming world (everyone knows it's junk and it'll make you fat, but millions of people eat there anyway) but unless you're Bill Gates I'm guessing they make more money than you! And again, maybe it's a matter of opinion, but BF3 is an extremely well executed FPS game. If BF3 is an example of "failure and what not to do" I would be very interested to hear your examples of success and what TO do, as I have played a LOT of games of all genres and the reason I am happy to use BF3 as an example of "setting the bar" is because for me, in my humble opinion, there aren't many console-based online FPS (yes I know it's also on PC, but we are talking about console games here) that come anywhere near it. Thanks again for replying. Gòª
Ranger SnakeBlood OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 137	Posted - 2013.05.05 19:04:00 - [35] - Quote +1 to the OP for making a great post with very good feedback. Unfortunately its here right before a fairly major build which adresses quite a few of your concerns, but yeah i agree you should stick around its always good to have good sources of feedback that aint pure 100% unrefined whining

GM Hercules Game Masters C C P Alliance 437	Posted - 2013.05.05 20:10:00 - [36] - Quote Moved from General Discussion.

Jathniel G I A N T EoN. 221	Posted - 2013.05.05 21:52:00 - [37] - Quote OP, don't fret man. Your concerns are 100% accurate, and reflect the mindset of the majority of us. Chromosome is dead and gone, and I never EVER want to go back. EVER. It drove so many of us mad, that some people were even asking for iterations of prior builds which were even worse. Uprising looks great, and thanks to Kage for sharing it and MMORPGHispano for posting it to youtube. Either way, stick with Dust, OP. Don't give up on it. You play EVE, and you know how much you enjoy it. I know they will get Dust right. Even if I'm done with medical school by the time they do. lol
Sinned Deluvian Algintal Core Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.05.05 23:40:00 - [38] - Quote OP your concerns are very valid, but they will always exist as long as you continue to compare Dust to BF3, COD and other well known shooters. Now although Dust may be similar to BF3, we can all agree that it has radical differences from COD. I mean the only thing they seem to share is the fact that you have a weapon in your hand and you kill people with it. How do you even compare these two games. As for BF3, of course its superior, look at how many games there are in the Battlefield franchise, those translate into experience for the devs. Now you also have to consider the player base. Who does this game appeal to? I don't think it appeals or will ever appeal to the COD fans who are used to relying only on their skills while they run all over their extremely small maps quickscoping everyone without the slightest tactic or strategy. The BF3 audience might find Dust more appealing, still they are the guys who overvalue a game's graphics. In my opinion the people that Dust will lure mostly are those casuals who are interested in the EVE lore and want a deeper experience. Point is, this game cannot successfully compete with the likes of BF3 and COD. The only chance for it to be successful is to bring something unique to the table and have a different audience. So, since you are used to COD and BF3, try to see Dust from another perspective and maybe you will like it. I know I did.
Tarmageddon XIII Legio Prima Victrix Imperius Legio Victrix 13	Posted - 2013.05.06 05:04:00 - [39] - Quote Sinned Deluvian you are right in what you are saying, DUST is very far removed from CoD and I should probably have stuck to BF3 when making comparisons to other FPS. CoD is relevant because of its popularity in the genre, and also has some relevance to my comments about graphics and controller layout, but other than that I retract any comparisons to CoD. The main reason I used BF3 as a reference is because it shares a lot of aspects with DUST, the ability to drive land and airborne vehicles, actual long range sniping as opposed to CoD style quick-scoping, and realistic effective range on weapons. Along with that the graphics in BF3 are a good benchmark to use as they are as good as any other console-based shooter currently on the market, and it also has this elusive X-factor which I keep coming back to which just keeps you hooked into playing for hours on end. The reason I kept coming back to Battlefield in my original post is because the aspects that the games DO share happen to be the aspects that BF3 got right, and DUST didn't. Please don't get me wrong, I dont want DUST to be like Battlefield, I appreciate and respect the fact that DUST is it's own game and wouldn't have it any other way, but I think that if (for example) you jump into an armoured jeep in one game, it is only natural that you are going to compare it to your experience driving an armoured jeep in another game. Regardless of whether the games are totally different, that particular action (in this case driving an armoured jeep) is exactly the same. In my opinion, and again, it's only an opinion, if you want to create something new and groundbreaking, whether it be a computer game, a car, a mobile phone, whatever... you have to look at the aspects that it will share with the leaders of it's type, whether it be technology, styling, user-compatibility etc, and you have to make sure that anything shared is either the same or better than the opposition, THEN you can add your own genius to it in order to make it a better product. DUST certainly has it's own genius, the skills layout from EvE, the link with the EvE universe, it's all totally new and amazing, but I think what it needed to turn this from a good idea to absolutely the best FPS ever concieved is for CCP to look at what they WILL be sharing with their neighbours in the genre and steal the best of everything. In other words, if you want to make a new car you don't need to start off by working out what shape you want the wheels to be! I hope this explains a little more where I am coming from. Thanks again for the responses. Gòª
Jal R The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 15	Posted - 2013.05.06 13:43:00 - [40] - Quote Sorry OP but creating a long winded post about why this game isn't as good as other FPS's you're used to is just a waste of everyone's time. Far too much thought and rose-tinted glasses here. You should have just said at the end TLDR: Dust isn't as good as I thought it would be because it's too different from other FPS's I play.



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