DUST Search - ****PETITION**** REOVE PROTO AV UNTIL THERE ARE PROTO VEHCILES THAT NEED COUNTERING

Justin Tymes wrote:

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:

Medic 1879 wrote:

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:

*sighs* I hate it when someone brings up a good point, but presents it like moron in all caps in the wrong section.

An AV weapon should not be available if a tank of the same meta level isn't also available.

So should we remove officer weapons till all weapons have one of the same meta level.

I personally don't care if they do it for officer gear, but would make sense actually.

You make a terrible comparison anyway. One anti-infantry weapon vs another anti-infantry weapon is not analogous to AV against tank. AV vs tank is more like offense vs defense, where the offense is designed to destroy the defense; making the lack of meta level symmetry even more of a balance problem. A better analogy would be to compare shield extenders vs scrambler rifles (which does high shield damage).
Would you want prototype scrambler rifles available when only standard shield extenders available.

Except the tank can kill an AV unit in less than a second, so that argument falls apart. Besides, I'll be damned if I'm giving up my Boundless REs and Flux nades just because tankers are QQing. And I'm sure Forge heavies aren't going to be willing to give up their protos just because of tanker tears(they're already crying about their "nerf" as it is)

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Mortedeamor IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 25	Posted - 2013.05.04 01:38:00 - [1] - Quote ccp every time you reset this game the same thing happens as far as av and vehicles go and now you are taking away the adv havs to rework them do you really expect the tanking community to spec at all into these monstrous sp sink you have designed knowing ultimately ona scale they are the weakest class you expect us to lose million trying to face proto av with standard havs because if so then i assume your going to sit and watch slowly as the number of people who arnt 100 % ar dwindle down to 0
Anmol Singh The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 76	Posted - 2013.05.04 01:44:00 - [2] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: ccp every time you reset this game the same thing happens as far as av and vehicles go and now you are taking away the adv havs to rework them do you really expect the tanking community to spec at all into these monstrous sp sink you have designed knowing ultimately ona scale they are the weakest class you expect us to lose million trying to face proto av with standard havs because if so then i assume your going to sit and watch slowly as the number of people who arnt 100 % ar dwindle down to 0 sign
Gelan Corbaine BetaMax. CRONOS. 135	Posted - 2013.05.04 01:45:00 - [3] - Quote .......... ................... ........................... ....ugh to kill.............rising.
BOZ MR Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 111	Posted - 2013.05.04 01:46:00 - [4] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: ccp every time you reset this game the same thing happens as far as av and vehicles go and now you are taking away the adv havs to rework them do you really expect the tanking community to spec at all into these monstrous sp sink you have designed knowing ultimately ona scale they are the weakest class you expect us to lose million trying to face proto av with standard havs because if so then i assume your going to sit and watch slowly as the number of people who arnt 100 % ar dwindle down to 0 +1
Veiny Throbbing Joystick Intara Direct Action Caldari State 48	Posted - 2013.05.04 01:46:00 - [5] - Quote signed: ____fdaponofsa[p,___ Veiny Throbbing Joystick
Exmaple Core SyNergy Gaming EoN. 226	Posted - 2013.05.04 01:47:00 - [6] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: ccp every time you reset this game the same thing happens as far as av and vehicles go and now you are taking away the adv havs to rework them do you really expect the tanking community to spec at all into these monstrous sp sink you have designed knowing ultimately ona scale they are the weakest class you expect us to lose million trying to face proto av with standard havs because if so then i assume your going to sit and watch slowly as the number of people who arnt 100 % ar dwindle down to 0 i agree completly
Void Echo Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 78	Posted - 2013.05.04 01:47:00 - [7] - Quote my signature
XeroTheBigBoss Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 193	Posted - 2013.05.04 01:47:00 - [8] - Quote Another tank tear thread. EDIT- I almost forgot /same ol routine
SILENTSAM 69 Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION 445	Posted - 2013.05.04 01:52:00 - [9] - Quote Is this a joke thread? I do not imagine anyone seriously considering this opinion. I find it funny how self serving people can be and somehow delude themselves into thinking they have some logic behind their opinion.
The Robot Devil BetaMax. CRONOS. 170	Posted - 2013.05.04 01:54:00 - [10] - Quote SILENTSAM 69 wrote: Is this a joke thread? I do not imagine anyone seriously considering this opinion. I find it funny how self serving people can be and somehow delude themselves into thinking they have some logic behind their opinion. +1

Medic 1879 The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 182	Posted - 2013.05.04 01:54:00 - [11] - Quote Remove officer weapons till I get an officer MD?
Veiny Throbbing Joystick Intara Direct Action Caldari State 48	Posted - 2013.05.04 01:54:00 - [12] - Quote SILENTSAM 69 wrote: Is this a joke thread? I do not imagine anyone seriously considering this opinion. I find it funny how self serving people can be and somehow delude themselves into thinking they have some logic behind their opinion. well done
Mortedeamor IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 25	Posted - 2013.05.04 01:55:00 - [13] - Quote SILENTSAM 69 wrote: Is this a joke thread? I do not imagine anyone seriously considering this opinion. I find it funny how self serving people can be and somehow delude themselves into thinking they have some logic behind their opinion. YEA YOUR A FUCKIN *** YOU THINK YOUR HOT FUCKIN FHIT HEN YOU WIPE OUT A TANK UNLESS YOUR USING STD GEAR YOU *** SUCK ITS LIKE ME PULLING MY PROTO AR AGAINST SCRUBS ALL *** DAY YOU YOU DUMB ASS PIECE OF **
ZDub 303 Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 16	Posted - 2013.05.04 01:56:00 - [14] - Quote Considering I can tear through a std tank with a std assault FG and 2 complex damage mods, I think I can understand and agree with this petition. Also, lai dai packed vs. a madrugar? lolol
XeroTheBigBoss Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 195	Posted - 2013.05.04 01:59:00 - [15] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: SILENTSAM 69 wrote: Is this a joke thread? I do not imagine anyone seriously considering this opinion. I find it funny how self serving people can be and somehow delude themselves into thinking they have some logic behind their opinion. YEA YOUR A FUCKIN *** YOU THINK YOUR HOT FUCKIN FHIT HEN YOU WIPE OUT A TANK UNLESS YOUR USING STD GEAR YOU *** SUCK ITS LIKE ME PULLING MY PROTO AR AGAINST SCRUBS ALL *** DAY YOU YOU DUMB ASS PIECE OF ** LMFAO! This is priceless!
undeadsoldier90 Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 332	Posted - 2013.05.04 02:00:00 - [16] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: SILENTSAM 69 wrote: Is this a joke thread? I do not imagine anyone seriously considering this opinion. I find it funny how self serving people can be and somehow delude themselves into thinking they have some logic behind their opinion. YEA YOUR A FUCKIN *** YOU THINK YOUR HOT FUCKIN FHIT HEN YOU WIPE OUT A TANK UNLESS YOUR USING STD GEAR YOU *** SUCK ITS LIKE ME PULLING MY PROTO AR AGAINST SCRUBS ALL *** DAY YOU YOU DUMB ASS PIECE OF ** I was going to sign this thread..... untill I tried to read this jumbled and obviously hate filled sentence. Perhaps remove caps.... You better spell chickity check yourself before you wrickity wreck yourself.
laflash What The French CRONOS. 3	Posted - 2013.05.04 02:21:00 - [17] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: ccp every time you reset this game the same thing happens as far as av and vehicles go and now you are taking away the adv havs to rework them do you really expect the tanking community to spec at all into these monstrous sp sink you have designed knowing ultimately ona scale they are the weakest class you expect us to lose million trying to face proto av with standard havs because if so then i assume your going to sit and watch slowly as the number of people who arnt 100 % ar dwindle down to 0 sign.
Mortedeamor IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 27	Posted - 2013.05.04 02:23:00 - [18] - Quote undeadsoldier90 wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: SILENTSAM 69 wrote: Is this a joke thread? I do not imagine anyone seriously considering this opinion. I find it funny how self serving people can be and somehow delude themselves into thinking they have some logic behind their opinion. YEA YOUR A FUCKIN *** YOU THINK YOUR HOT FUCKIN FHIT HEN YOU WIPE OUT A TANK UNLESS YOUR USING STD GEAR YOU *** SUCK ITS LIKE ME PULLING MY PROTO AR AGAINST SCRUBS ALL *** DAY YOU YOU DUMB ASS PIECE OF I was going to sign this thread..... untill I tried to read this jumbled and obviously hate filled sentence. Perhaps remove caps.... You better spell chickity check yourself before you wrickity wreck yourself. yeah i apolagize for that i was ina rage about some things when that guy decided to be a about a serious post about a serious issue. i have glacoma among other visual problems and it is hard for me to type. but tanks have been repeatedly nurfed becuase blueberries want to destroy everything with militia gear. av is seriously ver balanced and all pro's and even most people who are just good gamers know there ** and have had there hooks into dust for a while will say the same.
Charlotte O'Dell Faabulous 233	Posted - 2013.05.04 02:23:00 - [19] - Quote Sign. They can get their proto AV back when the AR's can only use STD gear against proto heavies. That sounds fair to me.
Hana-Maru Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 43	Posted - 2013.05.04 02:29:00 - [20] - Quote lai dai 'nades need a buff, fo real.

Heathen Bastard Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 243	Posted - 2013.05.04 02:29:00 - [21] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: SILENTSAM 69 wrote: Is this a joke thread? I do not imagine anyone seriously considering this opinion. I find it funny how self serving people can be and somehow delude themselves into thinking they have some logic behind their opinion. YEA YOUR A FUCKIN *** YOU THINK YOUR HOT FUCKIN , WHEN YOU WIPE OUT A TANK UNLESS YOUR USING STD GEAR YOU *** SUCK. ITS LIKE ME PULLING MY PROTO AR AGAINST SCRUBS ALL *** DAY. YOU YOU DUMB ASS PIECE OF Right. because proto NEVER gets killed by some militia scout who snuck up and dropped a remote explosive under their ***** while they were too busy sniping to notice, or when they did it again, this time using a militia pistol to add insult to injury. TL:DR: Get better at tanking, and militia beats proto under the right circumstances(I call that circumstance "surprise").
Mortedeamor IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 28	Posted - 2013.05.04 02:33:00 - [22] - Quote Hana-Maru wrote: lai dai 'nades need a buff, fo real. lol ur crazy ...i took down like three tanks ina row with those yesterday
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3671	Posted - 2013.05.04 02:34:00 - [23] - Quote sighs I hate it when someone brings up a good point, but presents it like moron in all caps in the wrong section. An AV weapon should not be available if a tank of the same meta level isn't also available.
Medic 1879 The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 185	Posted - 2013.05.04 02:36:00 - [24] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: sighs I hate it when someone brings up a good point, but presents it like moron in all caps in the wrong section. An AV weapon should not be available if a tank of the same meta level isn't also available. So should we remove officer weapons till all weapons have one of the same meta level.
Mortedeamor IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 28	Posted - 2013.05.04 02:39:00 - [25] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: sighs I hate it when someone brings up a good point, but presents it like moron in all caps in the wrong section. An AV weapon should not be available if a tank of the same meta level isn't also available. why post it in feedback and requests ...the number one thing bitched about past few months..redlin sniping . so what does ccp do the give all rail tanks a scope and a zoom fidelity they nurf they hell out of there hp. take away the adv hav for tune up. and force every tanker to snipe. if i go on feedback and ***** about av they are linkely to give yall foot troops some we hav that giant gun that has infinite range and like 3 rounds and does like 4 k dmg...oh wait we have that already hello mr forge gun
Buster Friently Rosen Association 357	Posted - 2013.05.04 02:45:00 - [26] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: sighs I hate it when someone brings up a good point, but presents it like moron in all caps in the wrong section. An AV weapon should not be available if a tank of the same meta level isn't also available. why post it in feedback and requests ...the number one thing bitched about past few months..redlin sniping . so what does ccp do the give all rail tanks a scope and a zoom fidelity they nurf they hell out of there hp. take away the adv hav for tune up. and force every tanker to snipe. if i go on feedback and ***** about av they are linkely to give yall foot troops some we hav that giant gun that has infinite range and like 3 rounds and does like 4 k dmg...oh wait we have that already hello mr forge gun Lol, no. Unless of course you guys support removing all officer weapons because there's no officer MD. I'd be cool with your suggestion then.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3671	Posted - 2013.05.04 02:53:00 - [27] - Quote Medic 1879 wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: sighs I hate it when someone brings up a good point, but presents it like moron in all caps in the wrong section. An AV weapon should not be available if a tank of the same meta level isn't also available. So should we remove officer weapons till all weapons have one of the same meta level. I personally don't care if they do it for officer gear, but would make sense actually. You make a terrible comparison anyway. One anti-infantry weapon vs another anti-infantry weapon is not analogous to AV against tank. AV vs tank is more like offense vs defense, where the offense is designed to destroy the defense; making the lack of meta level symmetry even more of a balance problem. A better analogy would be to compare shield extenders vs scrambler rifles (which does high shield damage). Would you want prototype scrambler rifles available when only standard shield extenders available.
Medic 1879 The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 186	Posted - 2013.05.04 02:57:00 - [28] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Medic 1879 wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: sighs I hate it when someone brings up a good point, but presents it like moron in all caps in the wrong section. An AV weapon should not be available if a tank of the same meta level isn't also available. So should we remove officer weapons till all weapons have one of the same meta level. I personally don't care if they do it for officer gear, but would make sense actually. You make a terrible comparison anyway. One anti-infantry weapon vs another anti-infantry weapon is not analogous to AV against tank. AV vs tank is more like offense vs defense, where the offense is designed to destroy the defense; making the lack of meta level symmetry even more of a balance problem. A better analogy would be to compare shield extenders vs scrambler rifles (which does high shield damage). Would you want prototype scrambler rifles available when only standard shield extenders available. Good point that would have been a better analogy never thought of that one.
Justin Tymes Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 62	Posted - 2013.05.04 03:00:00 - [29] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Medic 1879 wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: sighs I hate it when someone brings up a good point, but presents it like moron in all caps in the wrong section. An AV weapon should not be available if a tank of the same meta level isn't also available. So should we remove officer weapons till all weapons have one of the same meta level. I personally don't care if they do it for officer gear, but would make sense actually. You make a terrible comparison anyway. One anti-infantry weapon vs another anti-infantry weapon is not analogous to AV against tank. AV vs tank is more like offense vs defense, where the offense is designed to destroy the defense; making the lack of meta level symmetry even more of a balance problem. A better analogy would be to compare shield extenders vs scrambler rifles (which does high shield damage). Would you want prototype scrambler rifles available when only standard shield extenders available. Except the tank can kill an AV unit in less than a second, so that argument falls apart. Besides, I'll be damned if I'm giving up my Boundless REs and Flux nades just because tankers are QQing. And I'm sure Forge heavies aren't going to be willing to give up their protos just because of tanker tears(they're already crying about their "nerf" as it is)
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3671	Posted - 2013.05.04 03:01:00 - [30] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: sighs I hate it when someone brings up a good point, but presents it like moron in all caps in the wrong section. An AV weapon should not be available if a tank of the same meta level isn't also available. why post it in feedback and requests ...the number one thing bitched about past few months..redlin sniping . so what does ccp do the give all rail tanks a scope and a zoom fidelity they nurf they hell out of there hp. take away the adv hav for tune up. and force every tanker to snipe. if i go on feedback and ***** about av they are linkely to give yall foot troops some we hav that giant gun that has infinite range and like 3 rounds and does like 4 k dmg...oh wait we have that already hello mr forge gun There are tons of examples of CCP actually listening to feedback/requests, and you just cherry pick one example of them not listening to justify posting this all caps titled ellipse-ridden misspelled mess here. You may be interested to know that [CCP]Nothin mentioned in the IRC that they're thinking about removing SP for anything done within the redline, not exactly guarantee but it shows that they do pay attention. Even if they don't listen, posting in the wrong section doesn't change anything.

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3671	Posted - 2013.05.04 03:06:00 - [31] - Quote Justin Tymes wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Medic 1879 wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: sighs I hate it when someone brings up a good point, but presents it like moron in all caps in the wrong section. An AV weapon should not be available if a tank of the same meta level isn't also available. So should we remove officer weapons till all weapons have one of the same meta level. I personally don't care if they do it for officer gear, but would make sense actually. You make a terrible comparison anyway. One anti-infantry weapon vs another anti-infantry weapon is not analogous to AV against tank. AV vs tank is more like offense vs defense, where the offense is designed to destroy the defense; making the lack of meta level symmetry even more of a balance problem. A better analogy would be to compare shield extenders vs scrambler rifles (which does high shield damage). Would you want prototype scrambler rifles available when only standard shield extenders available. Except the tank can kill an AV unit in less than a second, so that argument falls apart. Besides, I'll be damned if I'm giving up my Boundless REs and Flux nades just because tankers are QQing. And I'm sure Forge heavies aren't going to be willing to give up their protos just because of tanker tears(they're already crying about their "nerf" as it is) Your fits and stuff costs almost nothing compared to a well built tank, the fact that they can kill you fast is pretty unimportant considering you can keep using up fits with only a fraction of the tank's costs. If it was the other way around with the addition of proto tanks, and no proto AV, you would be the one here QQing.
Berserker007 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 270	Posted - 2013.05.04 03:07:00 - [32] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: ccp every time you reset this game the same thing happens as far as av and vehicles go and now you are taking away the adv havs to rework them do you really expect the tanking community to spec at all into these monstrous sp sink you have designed knowing ultimately ona scale they are the weakest class you expect us to lose million trying to face proto av with standard havs because if so then i assume your going to sit and watch slowly as the number of people who arnt 100 % ar dwindle down to 0 i get you are frustrated; however, in saying that, losing your Sagaris & Surya atm isn't "that" big of a deal, as from what i know, most tankers can run the exact same fit (give or take) in a Gung/Sag or Mady/Surya. Usually the biggest difference b/t fits are the small turret types (though can correct if wrong). So yeah, calm down man. Yes it does suck, as the new enforcer tanks aren't gana cut it; but complaining to remove proto AV at the same time is foolish. Yes does AV have kinks, it sure does; but when CCP tries to do 2 things at once things becomes worse. Let them do one at a time.
Icedslayer SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 64	Posted - 2013.05.04 03:18:00 - [33] - Quote LOL wow this thread is hilarious, i mean seriously "take proto AV out until we get our Proto tanks", You know how dumb that sounds right? And when they put back in Proto tanks you guys will still be pulling the same redline camping bullshit, HTFU and adapt. I do want to point out that you guys can recall your vehicles AT ANYTIME. Taking lots of AV, hide behind a hill hop out and recall, i can just image how many of you pussies will get hit by a few AV and run back home to recall your precious tank. Leave AV how it is
Zero Harpuia WarRavens Orion Empire 428	Posted - 2013.05.04 03:44:00 - [34] - Quote This is pitiful. What about prototype Assault Rifles? Should we remove them until everyone is in Prototype Dropsuits with Prototype Shield Extenders? Maybe we should also remove Prototype Stamina modules because they make the Scouts feel inadequate? If he put all his points into AV to kill your vehicular hindparts, then he deserves a commendation for his forethought and sacrificing his 'vs AR nut' proficiency. Tanks cost alot, yea. So don't skill into them if you don't think you can make the grade. If ALL your points are in tanks, it's your own fault. A Capsuleer with nothing but Titan skills is a useless Capsuleer.
Ulysses Knapse Nuevo Atlas Corporation 336	Posted - 2013.05.04 04:04:00 - [35] - Quote They should take out Advanced AV, too, because we don't have real Advanced HAVs, we have standard HAVs and fancy marauders, the marauders barely being any better and costing six times as much.
Ops Fox ZionTCD Unclaimed. 225	Posted - 2013.05.04 04:16:00 - [36] - Quote I cannot figure out if you people are actually unaware of the situation or are just trolling, but here geos. They are not saying remove Proto Av because not everyone is in Proto tanks, they are saying remove proto av because there are no Proto tanks to skill into. It is a vastly different sitiuation from some people not using proto suits and their being proto weapons on the field. at the very least its possible to get to proto gear with the tanks there are simply not any proto tanks to skill into. +1 remove proto Av until proto tanks are in the game. do not remove adv AV because their are proto LAVs.
KalOfTheRathi Talon Strike Force LTD Orion Empire 396	Posted - 2013.05.04 11:40:00 - [37] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: undeadsoldier90 wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: SILENTSAM 69 wrote: -- snip clearly stated opinion -- -- snip hate filled Internet Screaming Mode rage from ... some dead-ish demon ... ish -- -- snip reasonable response to same -- -- snip weird response that might have made it all the way to an apology if only he had stopped after the thought -- Since you obviously broke about 1/4 of the Forum rules, why don't you just ban your sweet own self for a month or so. Have a nice day, somewhere else.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 408	Posted - 2013.05.04 12:02:00 - [38] - Quote Yup hes right
Jason Pearson Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 986	Posted - 2013.05.04 12:11:00 - [39] - Quote A good idea, just not greatly presented, agreed on it though.
Psychotic Shooter Opus Arcana Orion Empire 47	Posted - 2013.05.04 12:39:00 - [40] - Quote +1 PSYCHO



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