DUST Search - Pilots, we need to get our hands a little dirty.

Shouper of BHD wrote:

steadyhand amarr wrote:

Shouper of BHD wrote:

CCP has again said they will hold off SP/WP awards to pilots.

tanks are so weak they are put in the same skill category as LAVs (LOL no joke, race> LAV operation, >> tanks or LAV scout/logi)

What I suggest we do, for 556k ISK we can form this load-out: 2x light clarity shield transporters, 1x light remote efficiency, 2x light azotopic shield extenders, 1x local PG unit (the 1 that boosts shields and stuff) 2x ST missle turrets, Myron haul. its a very cheap load-out for us pilots and what it will do is:

spam CCPs vehicle module charts with triage modules used by DSes.

keep our tank brethren healthy by giving a 24/7 shield heal and back up armor rep.

etc, I see it as worth it but note I got shield control lv5, shield boost lv5, field mechanics lv5, combat engineering lv5 etc so not all pilots will be able to jump on and do this, but to those who are dedicated enough please join me in repping tanks when they have 6k HP or more and the awards will be received through mail, CCP putting this at the top of their to do list and to help out the weakened proto tanks.

i only read the first sentence and need that cleared up but at fanfast they said the complete opposite in fact their are a lot more ways you can earn WP now apprently where you getting your info from

I didn't like using them on grims or gorgons because it killed their ability to tank and it still wasn't as manuevable as their caldari equivalent with nanofibres on. Caldari dropships on the other hand they made feel feather light and with an afterburner on you could outrun swarms easily. Those things were do fun go fly because their were incredibly responsive and damn fast. They were simply a joy to fly, now they're going. Anyway I'd recommend you try them if you haven't already it's gonna be your last chance.

CCP Fanfest advancing the core vid, none of its coming till "the new future 1-12 months" what we will get is a blindfold to distract us in the mean time (well, better something then nothing but I really hope the support role WP come in sooner then later).

@ghbg sorry bro, Gallante DSes weren`t ment to be as good as the Caldari Smile

the Minimatar will be cool though, Ammar? appearance and turrets cool but usefulness will be down the drain from the expected stats (super armor tanking DS....idk how that's a good investment as of now).

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Shouper of BHD Better Hide R Die 78	Posted - 2013.05.02 22:29:00 - [1] - Quote CCP has again said they will hold off SP/WP awards to pilots. tanks are so weak they are put in the same skill category as LAVs (LOL no joke, race> LAV operation, >> tanks or LAV scout/logi) What I suggest we do, for 556k ISK we can form this load-out: 2x light clarity shield transporters, 1x light remote efficiency, 2x light azotopic shield extenders, 1x local PG unit (the 1 that boosts shields and stuff) 2x ST missle turrets, Myron haul. its a very cheap load-out for us pilots and what it will do is: spam CCPs vehicle module charts with triage modules used by DSes. keep our tank brethren healthy by giving a 24/7 shield heal and back up armor rep. etc, I see it as worth it but note I got shield control lv5, shield boost lv5, field mechanics lv5, combat engineering lv5 etc so not all pilots will be able to jump on and do this, but to those who are dedicated enough please join me in repping tanks when they have 6k HP or more and the awards will be received through mail, CCP putting this at the top of their to do list and to help out the weakened proto tanks.
Medic 1879 The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 153	Posted - 2013.05.02 22:36:00 - [2] - Quote Or CCP thinks pilots like the warm fuzzy feeling they get from helping and cancel rewards lol.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 1339	Posted - 2013.05.02 22:46:00 - [3] - Quote I don't know man, ever since I tried my speed viper, I'm addicted to flying stupidly low, very fast, in first person. Sitting still feeling warm and fuzzy won't feed that addiction.
Shouper of BHD Better Hide R Die 80	Posted - 2013.05.02 22:51:00 - [4] - Quote Medic 1879 wrote: Or CCP thinks pilots like the warm fuzzy feeling they get from helping and cancel rewards lol. LOL I would have mixed reactions each simulation frustration to that announcement xD I`m sure this will help rather then do that though in all seriousness. Also I don`t expect a lot of pilots to jump on board with me but its nice to see hands up and get feedback to the idea, also tanks mail me when your online and I`ll join a squad, preferably 1 tank at a time but I can assist 2 tank at once, 3 would be a bit crazy.
Surt gods end Demon Ronin 45	Posted - 2013.05.02 23:06:00 - [5] - Quote be pilots. I've seen two pilots try and get hands dirty. Nothing but **** everywhere. took two hours to find all there parts.
Shouper of BHD Better Hide R Die 80	Posted - 2013.05.02 23:12:00 - [6] - Quote Surt gods end wrote: be pilots. I've seen two pilots try and get hands dirty. Nothing but **** everywhere. took two hours to find all there parts. ..... not really sure what you mean but after a while the AV guys realize your repping the tank (the electricy going from your ship to tank is REALLY small) but they tend to realize after 3 minutes or see you as easier then the tank and a good anvil but with the proper gear, skills and talents you will survive.
KalOfTheRathi Talon Strike Force LTD Orion Empire 392	Posted - 2013.05.02 23:46:00 - [7] - Quote gbghg wrote: I don't know man, ever since I tried my speed viper, I'm addicted to flying stupidly low, very fast, in first person. Sitting still feeling warm and fuzzy won't feed that addiction. Do both. I am definitely going to test your ideas and I have three vipers ready to go. But repping tanks is fun as well. I already have a spider LAV. Just take one out once a day. It makes the point and still lets you get your hit the rest of the time. More fitting saves and a fittings menu that doesn't cause problems in game would help.
The Robot Devil BetaMax. CRONOS. 160	Posted - 2013.05.02 23:58:00 - [8] - Quote Armor support is going to be big business.
Shouper of BHD Better Hide R Die 83	Posted - 2013.05.03 00:00:00 - [9] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Armor support is going to be big business. all we have to do is give CCP a little nudge
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 1342	Posted - 2013.05.03 00:02:00 - [10] - Quote KalOfTheRathi wrote: gbghg wrote: I don't know man, ever since I tried my speed viper, I'm addicted to flying stupidly low, very fast, in first person. Sitting still feeling warm and fuzzy won't feed that addiction. Do both. I am definitely going to test your ideas and I have three vipers ready to go. But repping tanks is fun as well. I already have a spider LAV. Just take one out once a day. It makes the point and still lets you get your hit the rest of the time. More fitting saves and a fittings menu that doesn't cause problems in game would help. Might do that, and I too have a spider methana, I do both shield and armour with it, kinda squishy though.

Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 350	Posted - 2013.05.03 00:02:00 - [11] - Quote Shouper of BHD wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Armor support is going to be big business. all we have to do is give CCP a little nudge EVE online has been around for 10 years and they still haven't gotten armor tanking right. Don't quit your day job.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1323	Posted - 2013.05.03 00:04:00 - [12] - Quote Reminds me of the test that bojo and I have yet to finish- it was more or less a repair-circle-jerk with LAVs. Can work with HAVs too.
LeCuch Red Star. EoN. 17	Posted - 2013.05.03 00:07:00 - [13] - Quote Shouper of BHD wrote: CCP has again said they will hold off SP/WP awards to pilots. tanks are so weak they are put in the same skill category as LAVs (LOL no joke, race> LAV operation, >> tanks or LAV scout/logi) What I suggest we do, for 556k ISK we can form this load-out: 2x light clarity shield transporters, 1x light remote efficiency, 2x light azotopic shield extenders, 1x local PG unit (the 1 that boosts shields and stuff) 2x ST missle turrets, Myron haul. its a very cheap load-out for us pilots and what it will do is: spam CCPs vehicle module charts with triage modules used by DSes. keep our tank brethren healthy by giving a 24/7 shield heal and back up armor rep. etc, I see it as worth it but note I got shield control lv5, shield boost lv5, field mechanics lv5, combat engineering lv5 etc so not all pilots will be able to jump on and do this, but to those who are dedicated enough please join me in repping tanks when they have 6k HP or more and the awards will be received through mail, CCP putting this at the top of their to do list and to help out the weakened proto tanks. Man play with me sometime, i would love for you to help me with that (x Heck, i'd pay you for it. Save me some money on sagaris
Shouper of BHD Better Hide R Die 83	Posted - 2013.05.03 00:11:00 - [14] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Shouper of BHD wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Armor support is going to be big business. all we have to do is give CCP a little nudge EVE online has been around for 10 years and they still haven't gotten armor tanking right. Don't quit your day job. I think it will work, also I`m a student, if there is a place where students could quite then I`m sure the nation will be a lot dumber (sorry about spell errors, darn spell check refuses correct spelling ) Anyways I`ve been doing this for a month now and its not as bad as some of you pilots think so give it a go and see, also don`t do it for tanks that have less then 6k HP.
Shouper of BHD Better Hide R Die 83	Posted - 2013.05.03 00:12:00 - [15] - Quote LeCuch wrote: Shouper of BHD wrote: CCP has again said they will hold off SP/WP awards to pilots. tanks are so weak they are put in the same skill category as LAVs (LOL no joke, race> LAV operation, >> tanks or LAV scout/logi) What I suggest we do, for 556k ISK we can form this load-out: 2x light clarity shield transporters, 1x light remote efficiency, 2x light azotopic shield extenders, 1x local PG unit (the 1 that boosts shields and stuff) 2x ST missle turrets, Myron haul. its a very cheap load-out for us pilots and what it will do is: spam CCPs vehicle module charts with triage modules used by DSes. keep our tank brethren healthy by giving a 24/7 shield heal and back up armor rep. etc, I see it as worth it but note I got shield control lv5, shield boost lv5, field mechanics lv5, combat engineering lv5 etc so not all pilots will be able to jump on and do this, but to those who are dedicated enough please join me in repping tanks when they have 6k HP or more and the awards will be received through mail, CCP putting this at the top of their to do list and to help out the weakened proto tanks. Man play with me sometime, i would love for you to help me with that (x Heck, i'd pay you for it. Save me some money on sagaris alrighty then! I`ll be on DUST514 in a little bit, join the: better hide r die chat room and I`ll send you an invite.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 358	Posted - 2013.05.03 00:12:00 - [16] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Reminds me of the test that bojo and I have yet to finish- it was more or less a repair-circle-jerk with LAVs. Can work with HAVs too. Vehicle repair is kind of clumsy at best right now. I'm hoping it becomes more proximity based in the future.
Shouper of BHD Better Hide R Die 83	Posted - 2013.05.03 00:21:00 - [17] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Reminds me of the test that bojo and I have yet to finish- it was more or less a repair-circle-jerk with LAVs. Can work with HAVs too. Vehicle repair is kind of clumsy at best right now. I'm hoping it becomes more proximity based in the future. I WAS HOPING THE SAME THING also a triage DS could be nice.... example: Caldari STD Triage DS: built in light shield transporter Caldari ADV Triage DS: built in light clarity shield transporter Caldari PRO Triage DS: built in heavy shield transporter Gallante STD Triage DS: built in light remote repair system Gallante ADV Triage DS: built in light remote repair system efficiency Gallante PRO Triage DS: built in heavy remote repair system
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 359	Posted - 2013.05.03 00:23:00 - [18] - Quote Shouper of BHD wrote: Cosgar wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Reminds me of the test that bojo and I have yet to finish- it was more or less a repair-circle-jerk with LAVs. Can work with HAVs too. Vehicle repair is kind of clumsy at best right now. I'm hoping it becomes more proximity based in the future. I WAS HOPING THE SAME THING also a triage DS could be nice.... example: Caldari STD Triage DS: built in light shield transporter Caldari ADV Triage DS: built in light clarity shield transporter Caldari PRO Triage DS: built in heavy shield transporter Gallante STD Triage DS: built in light remote repair system Gallante ADV Triage DS: built in light remote repair system efficiency Gallante PRO Triage DS: built in heavy remote repair system That would be cool as ****! But this is AR 514 now, so it's all about Assault with an AR or
Shouper of BHD Better Hide R Die 83	Posted - 2013.05.03 00:26:00 - [19] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Shouper of BHD wrote: Cosgar wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Reminds me of the test that bojo and I have yet to finish- it was more or less a repair-circle-jerk with LAVs. Can work with HAVs too. Vehicle repair is kind of clumsy at best right now. I'm hoping it becomes more proximity based in the future. I WAS HOPING THE SAME THING also a triage DS could be nice.... example: Caldari STD Triage DS: built in light shield transporter Caldari ADV Triage DS: built in light clarity shield transporter Caldari PRO Triage DS: built in heavy shield transporter Gallante STD Triage DS: built in light remote repair system Gallante ADV Triage DS: built in light remote repair system efficiency Gallante PRO Triage DS: built in heavy remote repair system That would be cool as ****! But this is AR 514 now, so it's all about Assault with an AR or I might make a request for it..... but another day, lets see the assault DSes first.
Shouper of BHD Better Hide R Die 83	Posted - 2013.05.03 06:29:00 - [20] - Quote shameless bump, here's hoping this thread helps the drivers / pilots in upcoming builds.

Syther Shadows The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 65	Posted - 2013.05.03 08:12:00 - [21] - Quote Shouper of BHD wrote: shameless bump, here's hoping this thread helps the drivers / pilots in upcoming builds. This whole thing is a good idea initially i was going to go into Lav Triage but got turned away from it by corp mates edit~ not this corp previous corp
Shouper of BHD Better Hide R Die 85	Posted - 2013.05.03 18:24:00 - [22] - Quote yea its harder for a LAV since AV nades are a big factor and DSes are all the more cooler anyways
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. 139	Posted - 2013.05.03 18:33:00 - [23] - Quote You do realize that if any AV guys see a DS hovering near a HAV, they're just going to kill the DS before the HAV since they are squishier. Engage evasive actions and you'll lose your lock for the repping, say bye to the HAV or say bye to the DS. Noble effort though.
Shouper of BHD Better Hide R Die 85	Posted - 2013.05.03 18:41:00 - [24] - Quote I`ve done this several times and after 2 minutes yes they attack me then after I`m gone go for the tank but inless its a tier lv4 FG that I don`t react to and choose to say or a higher lv weapon 9inclueding proto swarms) but everything else I`m safe from because I can activate my reppers to the tank then move away without dieng, I got all the vehicle skills and heres a lists of whats left armor >module< skills lv4-5 (I fly caldari so not necessary) (I have field mechanics and combat engineering lv5). shield adaption lv3-5 (going to get it to lv3 and test it before the build, doubt it will work since its more for tanks but why not test anyways) small turret proficiency lv4-5 (Hybrid and missile, this only will do 4%+ damage to both once at lv5 getting me a new total of 55% extra damage per bullet/shot, atm its at 51% on my gunships). so I got a lot of stat HP and stuff backing my modules so my DS will take a lot even as triage, also its only 554k ISK and it will help us drivers / pilots out in the long run.
Knight SoIaire Better Hide R Die 234	Posted - 2013.05.03 19:56:00 - [25] - Quote Yea, those shield transporters are great. I barely tipped under 15% of my Shield when being repped by them + My own reppers. I was getting hit by Forges and Swarms too. Some fun times.
Medic 1879 The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 175	Posted - 2013.05.03 19:57:00 - [26] - Quote Good news everyone cheaper dropships confirmed in patchnotes.
steadyhand amarr Ametat Security Amarr Empire 442	Posted - 2013.05.03 20:03:00 - [27] - Quote Shouper of BHD wrote: CCP has again said they will hold off SP/WP awards to pilots. tanks are so weak they are put in the same skill category as LAVs (LOL no joke, race> LAV operation, >> tanks or LAV scout/logi) What I suggest we do, for 556k ISK we can form this load-out: 2x light clarity shield transporters, 1x light remote efficiency, 2x light azotopic shield extenders, 1x local PG unit (the 1 that boosts shields and stuff) 2x ST missle turrets, Myron haul. its a very cheap load-out for us pilots and what it will do is: spam CCPs vehicle module charts with triage modules used by DSes. keep our tank brethren healthy by giving a 24/7 shield heal and back up armor rep. etc, I see it as worth it but note I got shield control lv5, shield boost lv5, field mechanics lv5, combat engineering lv5 etc so not all pilots will be able to jump on and do this, but to those who are dedicated enough please join me in repping tanks when they have 6k HP or more and the awards will be received through mail, CCP putting this at the top of their to do list and to help out the weakened proto tanks. i only read the first sentence and need that cleared up but at fanfast they said the complete opposite in fact their are a lot more ways you can earn WP now apprently where you getting your info from
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 1362	Posted - 2013.05.03 20:36:00 - [28] - Quote NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! they're removing my nanifibre's
Shouper of BHD Better Hide R Die 85	Posted - 2013.05.04 05:53:00 - [29] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: Shouper of BHD wrote: CCP has again said they will hold off SP/WP awards to pilots. tanks are so weak they are put in the same skill category as LAVs (LOL no joke, race> LAV operation, >> tanks or LAV scout/logi) What I suggest we do, for 556k ISK we can form this load-out: 2x light clarity shield transporters, 1x light remote efficiency, 2x light azotopic shield extenders, 1x local PG unit (the 1 that boosts shields and stuff) 2x ST missle turrets, Myron haul. its a very cheap load-out for us pilots and what it will do is: spam CCPs vehicle module charts with triage modules used by DSes. keep our tank brethren healthy by giving a 24/7 shield heal and back up armor rep. etc, I see it as worth it but note I got shield control lv5, shield boost lv5, field mechanics lv5, combat engineering lv5 etc so not all pilots will be able to jump on and do this, but to those who are dedicated enough please join me in repping tanks when they have 6k HP or more and the awards will be received through mail, CCP putting this at the top of their to do list and to help out the weakened proto tanks. i only read the first sentence and need that cleared up but at fanfast they said the complete opposite in fact their are a lot more ways you can earn WP now apprently where you getting your info from CCP Fanfest advancing the core vid, none of its coming till "the new future 1-12 months" what we will get is a blindfold to distract us in the mean time (well, better something then nothing but I really hope the support role WP come in sooner then later). @ghbg sorry bro, Gallante DSes weren`t ment to be as good as the Caldari the Minimatar will be cool though, Ammar? appearance and turrets cool but usefulness will be down the drain from the expected stats (super armor tanking DS....idk how that's a good investment as of now).
Shouper of BHD Better Hide R Die 85	Posted - 2013.05.04 05:55:00 - [30] - Quote Knight SoIaire wrote: Yea, those shield transporters are great. I barely tipped under 15% of my Shield when being repped by them + My own reppers. I was getting hit by Forges and Swarms too. Some fun times. oh yea that was one of the best tank repping battles I have had, they tend to get fun at times, got my first failure at it today though, that Sageris had 63k total HP and ran so fast under building it was getting insane.

Syther Shadows The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 71	Posted - 2013.05.04 08:44:00 - [31] - Quote Shouper of BHD wrote: Knight SoIaire wrote: Yea, those shield transporters are great. I barely tipped under 15% of my Shield when being repped by them + My own reppers. I was getting hit by Forges and Swarms too. Some fun times. oh yea that was one of the best tank repping battles I have had, they tend to get fun at times, got my first failure at it today though, that Sageris had 63k total HP and ran so fast under building it was getting insane. 63k hp.... i... wow ... and people seriously complain about swarm launches ?
Martin0 Brancaleone Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS. 253	Posted - 2013.05.04 10:54:00 - [32] - Quote Do remote shield transporter and remote armor repairer still have stupidly short range and the terrible lock on mechanic? If yes dropships aren't really viable as triage, especially with current defenses.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 1369	Posted - 2013.05.04 12:04:00 - [33] - Quote Shouper of BHD wrote: steadyhand amarr wrote: Shouper of BHD wrote: CCP has again said they will hold off SP/WP awards to pilots. tanks are so weak they are put in the same skill category as LAVs (LOL no joke, race> LAV operation, >> tanks or LAV scout/logi) What I suggest we do, for 556k ISK we can form this load-out: 2x light clarity shield transporters, 1x light remote efficiency, 2x light azotopic shield extenders, 1x local PG unit (the 1 that boosts shields and stuff) 2x ST missle turrets, Myron haul. its a very cheap load-out for us pilots and what it will do is: spam CCPs vehicle module charts with triage modules used by DSes. keep our tank brethren healthy by giving a 24/7 shield heal and back up armor rep. etc, I see it as worth it but note I got shield control lv5, shield boost lv5, field mechanics lv5, combat engineering lv5 etc so not all pilots will be able to jump on and do this, but to those who are dedicated enough please join me in repping tanks when they have 6k HP or more and the awards will be received through mail, CCP putting this at the top of their to do list and to help out the weakened proto tanks. i only read the first sentence and need that cleared up but at fanfast they said the complete opposite in fact their are a lot more ways you can earn WP now apprently where you getting your info from I didn't like using them on grims or gorgons because it killed their ability to tank and it still wasn't as manuevable as their caldari equivalent with nanofibres on. Caldari dropships on the other hand they made feel feather light and with an afterburner on you could outrun swarms easily. Those things were do fun go fly because their were incredibly responsive and damn fast. They were simply a joy to fly, now they're going. Anyway I'd recommend you try them if you haven't already it's gonna be your last chance. CCP Fanfest advancing the core vid, none of its coming till "the new future 1-12 months" what we will get is a blindfold to distract us in the mean time (well, better something then nothing but I really hope the support role WP come in sooner then later). @ghbg sorry bro, Gallante DSes weren`t ment to be as good as the Caldari the Minimatar will be cool though, Ammar? appearance and turrets cool but usefulness will be down the drain from the expected stats (super armor tanking DS....idk how that's a good investment as of now).
Shouper of BHD Better Hide R Die 86	Posted - 2013.05.04 14:22:00 - [34] - Quote Martin0 Brancaleone wrote: Do remote shield transporter and remote armor repairer still have stupidly short range and the terrible lock on mechanic? If yes dropships aren't really viable as triage, especially with current defenses. well I`m used to flying low and slow, been doing it so long and haven't found to many issues after a week of triaging but yes you do fly low and near tanks but it will be easier come May6th ...... AND CHEAPER!
Surt gods end Demon Ronin 52	Posted - 2013.05.04 14:27:00 - [35] - Quote I saw a pilot drop two snipers into a roof. Then he crashed into building. I never piloted. is it really that hard?
Skihids The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 1238	Posted - 2013.05.04 14:35:00 - [36] - Quote Surt gods end wrote: I saw a pilot drop two snipers into a roof. Then he crashed into building. I never piloted. is it really that hard? It takes some knowledge and a little practice. Check out my "Dropship Flight School" thread in the Training ground forum. I will be writing a new edition for Uprising with improved explanations and diagrams, as well as sections for fittings and tactics.
Shouper of BHD Better Hide R Die 86	Posted - 2013.05.04 14:39:00 - [37] - Quote new controls on May 6th so depending on how it works there will be pilots acwardly flying around the first 3 days lol, it seem better flight mechanics though, just got to get used to R2 / L2 rather then the L1 / L2 ... my mian intrest is, where are the modules activated? it can`t be L1 since its zoom, R1 is fire, O is eject, square has some use in the future... maybe X or triangle? I would hate it to be L3 or R3 to be honest.
DeadlyAztec11 One-Armed Bandits Atrocitas 163	Posted - 2013.05.04 14:58:00 - [38] - Quote Surt gods end wrote: be pilots. I've seen two pilots try and get hands dirty. Nothing but **** everywhere. took two hours to find all there parts. Oops that was! Sorry, me & my swarm launcher, formally apologize.
Shouper of BHD Better Hide R Die 86	Posted - 2013.05.04 15:02:00 - [39] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Surt gods end wrote: be pilots. I've seen two pilots try and get hands dirty. Nothing but **** everywhere. took two hours to find all there parts. Oops that was! Sorry, me & my swarm launcher, formally apologize. what's your Javelin / Swarmer lv? because most I can fly into and just shrug them off.


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