What the **** are you doing CCP?
You think Uprising is good enough for release?!
This game will be bashed to hell by reviewers and players alike, and unlike the PC market, the console market will just forget about this game and move to CoD #42134.
It doesn't even have proper tutorials yet, new players will just be baffled at what they're supposed to do!
This is a TERRIBLE mistake!
You see those near future things you said you're working on?
AFTER YOU FINISH THOSE THE GAME WILL BE GOOD ENOUGH, RIGHT NOW IT ISN'T!

This game will be bashed to hell by reviewers and players

What the **** are you doing CCP?
You think Uprising is good enough for release?!
This game will be bashed to hell by reviewers and players alike, and unlike the PC market, the console market will just forget about this game and move to CoD #42134.
It doesn't even have proper tutorials yet, new players will just be baffled at what they're supposed to do!
This is a TERRIBLE mistake!
You see those near future things you said you're working on?
AFTER YOU FINISH THOSE THE GAME WILL BE GOOD ENOUGH, RIGHT NOW IT ISN'T!

Free game.

Continuous free updates.

HTFU?

the console market will just forget about this game and move to CoD #42134.

we as players need to make a guide for the new players it isnt all up to cccp to do everything we as a community need to explain to them the game via youtube videos forum threads etc , and we need to explain to them the lore

And? most will comeback eventually. And then they'll leave again, and comeback, and leave, and comeback. This is the cycle of console games. You can't expect people to want to play dust 24/7 364 days a year.

i agree 100% that this game is Not ready for the review hammer thus deterring any new players

It seems to me that a lot of people are playing the game now... whether it's ready or not. Not sure that ongoing improvements will be able to reverse this trend.

Its the opposite.
CCP has to guide the players, this isn't our job.
We do it out of our kindness and dedication, but CCP has to do it too.

Free game.

Continuous free updates.

HTFU?

No, they won't come back.
First impressions are important.

They must have gotten a lot of stuff ironed out behind the scenes.

I think it's going to be a success, but then it's hard for to grasp the stupidity of the masses.

No, they won't come back.
First impressions are important.

funny dcuo had many bad first impressions but yet people still go back to that

Seems presumptuous to say Uprising is not ready for release unless you've actually played it. It would be a good idea though to make sure the tutorial and new player experience is as good as it can be before releasing it though, Uprising may have improved tutorials (maybe, maybe not), at the very least it is more user friendly, and has pretty graphics.

lol, anyone who upvoted this comment is a complete idiot.
It has nothing to do with what I said.
First impressions are important, most will leave after playing 5 minutes.

this cat merc guy is funny as hell he heard release and went likeomg ima ******* die if they do this , anyway , i agree ccp should wait to release untill like the end of the year that way we can actually have more time to test this stuff

funny dcuo had many bad first impressions but yet people still go back to that

I'm sorry that I have faith in the vision and direction of this game that I've been playing faithfully for a year now, through all the bugs and imbalances.

The game is free. If someone downloads it and hates it, they delete it and forget about it. Then, 6 months, a year, 2 years later, when we get our 4th, 6th, 8th free expansion, perhaps they see a cool commercial or hear an awesome story on a forum, then they download the game again, for free.

DUST is a whole new animal, reviews cannot sink this game.

They will try.

And they will fail.

What makes it incomplete?

What other games are offering what DUST is offering?

Its a risk but CCP have taken risks before

With watching all the keynotes and stuff it could pay off, i doubt it would crash and burn like defiance because they have alot more planned in general and have to flesh out the game so its improving and building on what it has and will continue to do so

Sure it will reach a wider audience and will prob get panned because its not cod and ****** graphics and its too complicated but its going to stick around for along time and offer something different

What other games are offering what DUST is offering?

EVE

Dude, that's the problem.
We're not the average players, we visit the forums once a week, we learn about the game and go through the many, many bugs to see it become something great.
Most players don't have that dedication, they will leave instantly and say bye bye to the game.

what is dust offering?

Judging from the gameplay, its not ready.
And considering the BASIC things that are listed on the "near future" list, yeah....

Cat Merc, you're not seeing the big picture. Most people on these forums will stick around long-term. Anyone who doesn't will potentially come back every once in a while (maybe only every major patch), and check in on their characters. if they don't, oh well. A lot of people will. And with each and every upgrade/update, more will come. Sure numbers will taper off, and we'll have slow "seasons", but the thing about DUST, just as in EVE, it's a perpetual world. It's evolving, and CONSTANTLY changing. You leave one day, say you're done with this game. Say you leave the first week of uprising. it's too confusing. Everyone is fighting over planets, etc.

Then, you hear about a new release this winter. You figure, what the heck, you have some free time. You come back, and your old corp is now one of the major land holders in the game, several corps have fallen, or settled/merged into larger alliances, and in general, it's a whole new meta game.

No. not everyone is interested in meta. In fact, there are just a LOT of shallow people who take everything at face value. we call those people "COD players". Take everything game-by-game, nothing sticks except XP and KDR. There is no real weight behind anything you do.

This is why EVE/DUST is different. It's a much deeper meta game. Even though things like maps.. gear.. etc. takes a while to change, the game is still going on. Every match you play is a battle deciding which corps are going to hold more ground, and make more money. And even farther in the future, this could involve taking stations, and possibly even ships in EVE!

The goals for DUST are huge. and if people are too shallow to see that, then they don't deserve this game anyway. We will always have plenty of people playing. CCP will make sure of that.

CCP is used to offering a challenging game that forces users through a lot of work. EVE comes to mind. I don't think they are worried about making the game that appeals to 100% of the populace -- they are working on a vision and a way of designing games that will attract a certain type of person.

I have no concern at all about when it is released -- especially as a free to play game.

lol, anyone who upvoted this comment is a complete idiot.
It has nothing to do with what I said.
First impressions are important, most will leave after playing 5 minutes.

I thought it sucked at first. Than after a few weeks, I came back.

Cat Merc, you're not seeing the big picture. Most people on these forums will stick around long-term. Anyone who doesn't will potentially come back every once in a while (maybe only every major patch), and check in on their characters. if they don't, oh well. A lot of people will. And with each and every upgrade/update, more will come. Sure numbers will taper off, and we'll have slow "seasons", but the thing about DUST, just as in EVE, it's a perpetual world. It's evolving, and CONSTANTLY changing. You leave one day, say you're done with this game. Say you leave the first week of uprising. it's too confusing. Everyone is fighting over planets, etc.

Then, you hear about a new release this winter. You figure, what the heck, you have some free time. You come back, and your old corp is now one of the major land holders in the game, several corps have fallen, or settled/merged into larger alliances, and in general, it's a whole new meta game.

No. not everyone is interested in meta. In fact, there are just a LOT of shallow people who take everything at face value. we call those people "COD players". Take everything game-by-game, nothing sticks except XP and KDR. There is no real weight behind anything you do.

This is why EVE/DUST is different. It's a much deeper meta game. Even though things like maps.. gear.. etc. takes a while to change, the game is still going on. Every match you play is a battle deciding which corps are going to hold more ground, and make more money. And even farther in the future, this could involve taking stations, and possibly even ships in EVE!

The goals for DUST are huge. and if people are too shallow to see that, then they don't deserve this game anyway. We will always have plenty of people playing. CCP will make sure of that.

What the **** are you doing CCP?
You think Uprising is good enough for release?!
This game will be bashed to hell by reviewers and players alike, and unlike the PC market, the console market will just forget about this game and move to CoD #42134.
It doesn't even have proper tutorials yet, new players will just be baffled at what they're supposed to do!
This is a TERRIBLE mistake!
You see those near future things you said you're working on?
AFTER YOU FINISH THOSE THE GAME WILL BE GOOD ENOUGH, RIGHT NOW IT ISN'T!

Edit:
Now that I'm a bit calmer, this is what I have to say.
I REALLY hope this game won't fail, I really hope future updates will bring back players that try this game and find it lacking.
But first impressions are incredibly important, and considering the average console player attention span, they won't even try it out in the future.

There are like a gazillion characters created for Dust, only a fraction actively play it.

Cat Merc, you're not seeing the big picture. Most people on these forums will stick around long-term. Anyone who doesn't will potentially come back every once in a while (maybe only every major patch), and check in on their characters. if they don't, oh well. A lot of people will. And with each and every upgrade/update, more will come. Sure numbers will taper off, and we'll have slow "seasons", but the thing about DUST, just as in EVE, it's a perpetual world. It's evolving, and CONSTANTLY changing. You leave one day, say you're done with this game. Say you leave the first week of uprising. it's too confusing. Everyone is fighting over planets, etc.

Then, you hear about a new release this winter. You figure, what the heck, you have some free time. You come back, and your old corp is now one of the major land holders in the game, several corps have fallen, or settled/merged into larger alliances, and in general, it's a whole new meta game.

No. not everyone is interested in meta. In fact, there are just a LOT of shallow people who take everything at face value. we call those people "COD players". Take everything game-by-game, nothing sticks except XP and KDR. There is no real weight behind anything you do.

This is why EVE/DUST is different. It's a much deeper meta game. Even though things like maps.. gear.. etc. takes a while to change, the game is still going on. Every match you play is a battle deciding which corps are going to hold more ground, and make more money. And even farther in the future, this could involve taking stations, and possibly even ships in EVE!

The goals for DUST are huge. and if people are too shallow to see that, then they don't deserve this game anyway. We will always have plenty of people playing. CCP will make sure of that.

Instead of whining like a sandy vageen, do something about it.

Instead of whining like a sandy vageen, do something about it.

...
And I can totally talk with the devs who are currently in pub crawls right now!

Different markets call for different strategies.
Also, different business model.
On average, only 5% of players who play a free to play game actually spend a dime on it.
And an even smaller amount pay 60+ dollars.
That means Dust needs as large a pool of players as possible.

Yes.
Because I'm in control of CCP right?
And I can totally talk with the devs who are currently in pub crawls right now!

Free game.

Continuous free updates.

HTFU?

Isnt the CEO of your corp on CPM? Yes, she is. Now, go dry your eyes and listen to CCP Guard tell you the HTFU. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5xvkAPXB9c

Isnt the CEO of your corp on CPM? Yes, she is. Now, go dry your eyes and listen to CCP Guard tell you the HTFU. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5xvkAPXB9c

Can you be a bit more specific about gameplay elements and features needed for the game to have a successful launch in the eyes of reviewers?

competing against CoC and BF AND killzone?

free doesn't matter, people will give it ONE try and leave. potential means s.hit against CoD BF, AND KZ

If you are wondering max SP in uprising was about 255,000,000 SP.

SPECIFICS
Do you just mean you want Dust to launch with more content? like the full set of racial dropsuits, vehicles, and rifles? Or is it some other near future thing?

Free game.

Continuous free updates.

HTFU?

Uprising is not full relese! Still Beta. So no need to worry about bad official reviews yet...

Something like that.
There is more to it.
Given more time the game will be polished more and more, I doubt in 3 months they managed to make Dust feel a lot better.
The shooting isn't working well, and this is a First Person Shooter...

They need to work on it to make it feel like an AAA shooter.
Right now it feels like an indie project that they adopted and didn't improve much besides adding super servers behind it.

Dust has enough content for a decent launch with the new items Uprising brings, I don't see how reviewers could find the amount of guns, suits, and vehicles lacking; it is a solid start.
As for the shooter mechanics (which is still vague and nonspecific), like I said before, it is too early to make the judgement since we haven't actually played Uprising yet.

This game will be bashed to hell by reviewers and players alike, and unlike the PC market, the console market will just forget about this game and move to CoD #42134.

The players that will play Gears COD BF will play that regardless.

That doesnt mean they wont play Dust. As others said they may play sporadically while allowing their char. to gain SP.

And I agree with Dust Fiend - if the game is free then there really is no worry. For people saying they will pay a subscription - are you willing to continue to play when content delivery or balance issues arent coming down the pipe as fast as you want ?

I'm talking about feeling.
Go to another shooter and go back to Dust.
Dust feels clunky and bad in general, just bleh.
You can't be specific when it comes to overall feeling, because its overall.
And I talked with ReGnUM on IRC, he said the game feels the same in that regard.

Maybe its the lack of sensitivity acceleration with the controls for smooth aiming. I made a thread about that before, CCP was paying attention, but I don't know if they're planning on doing anything about it. Perhaps not enough people shared my views on the issue.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=59526&find=unread Here is the thread in case you're intrested, tell me if its the issue with the feeling of the game.

I want public first impressions to be good.
If you would actually read what I said you would know I'm not complaining about the speed.

I don't know.
But there are many many more problems that go to general feel.
For example, ever brushed against a wall while running and then getting pushed back?
Or being jumpy for no reason on a structure?
Things like that happen far too often.