What other games are offering what DUST is offering?

Its a risk but CCP have taken risks before

With watching all the keynotes and stuff it could pay off, i doubt it would crash and burn like defiance because they have alot more planned in general and have to flesh out the game so its improving and building on what it has and will continue to do so

Sure it will reach a wider audience and will prob get panned because its not cod and ****** graphics and its too complicated but its going to stick around for along time and offer something different

What other games are offering what DUST is offering?

EVE

Dude, that's the problem.
We're not the average players, we visit the forums once a week, we learn about the game and go through the many, many bugs to see it become something great.
Most players don't have that dedication, they will leave instantly and say bye bye to the game.

what is dust offering?

Judging from the gameplay, its not ready.
And considering the BASIC things that are listed on the "near future" list, yeah....

Cat Merc, you're not seeing the big picture. Most people on these forums will stick around long-term. Anyone who doesn't will potentially come back every once in a while (maybe only every major patch), and check in on their characters. if they don't, oh well. A lot of people will. And with each and every upgrade/update, more will come. Sure numbers will taper off, and we'll have slow "seasons", but the thing about DUST, just as in EVE, it's a perpetual world. It's evolving, and CONSTANTLY changing. You leave one day, say you're done with this game. Say you leave the first week of uprising. it's too confusing. Everyone is fighting over planets, etc.

Then, you hear about a new release this winter. You figure, what the heck, you have some free time. You come back, and your old corp is now one of the major land holders in the game, several corps have fallen, or settled/merged into larger alliances, and in general, it's a whole new meta game.

No. not everyone is interested in meta. In fact, there are just a LOT of shallow people who take everything at face value. we call those people "COD players". Take everything game-by-game, nothing sticks except XP and KDR. There is no real weight behind anything you do.

This is why EVE/DUST is different. It's a much deeper meta game. Even though things like maps.. gear.. etc. takes a while to change, the game is still going on. Every match you play is a battle deciding which corps are going to hold more ground, and make more money. And even farther in the future, this could involve taking stations, and possibly even ships in EVE!

The goals for DUST are huge. and if people are too shallow to see that, then they don't deserve this game anyway. We will always have plenty of people playing. CCP will make sure of that.

CCP is used to offering a challenging game that forces users through a lot of work. EVE comes to mind. I don't think they are worried about making the game that appeals to 100% of the populace -- they are working on a vision and a way of designing games that will attract a certain type of person.

I have no concern at all about when it is released -- especially as a free to play game.

lol, anyone who upvoted this comment is a complete idiot.
It has nothing to do with what I said.
First impressions are important, most will leave after playing 5 minutes.

I thought it sucked at first. Than after a few weeks, I came back.

Cat Merc, you're not seeing the big picture. Most people on these forums will stick around long-term. Anyone who doesn't will potentially come back every once in a while (maybe only every major patch), and check in on their characters. if they don't, oh well. A lot of people will. And with each and every upgrade/update, more will come. Sure numbers will taper off, and we'll have slow "seasons", but the thing about DUST, just as in EVE, it's a perpetual world. It's evolving, and CONSTANTLY changing. You leave one day, say you're done with this game. Say you leave the first week of uprising. it's too confusing. Everyone is fighting over planets, etc.

Then, you hear about a new release this winter. You figure, what the heck, you have some free time. You come back, and your old corp is now one of the major land holders in the game, several corps have fallen, or settled/merged into larger alliances, and in general, it's a whole new meta game.

No. not everyone is interested in meta. In fact, there are just a LOT of shallow people who take everything at face value. we call those people "COD players". Take everything game-by-game, nothing sticks except XP and KDR. There is no real weight behind anything you do.

This is why EVE/DUST is different. It's a much deeper meta game. Even though things like maps.. gear.. etc. takes a while to change, the game is still going on. Every match you play is a battle deciding which corps are going to hold more ground, and make more money. And even farther in the future, this could involve taking stations, and possibly even ships in EVE!

The goals for DUST are huge. and if people are too shallow to see that, then they don't deserve this game anyway. We will always have plenty of people playing. CCP will make sure of that.

What the **** are you doing CCP?
You think Uprising is good enough for release?!
This game will be bashed to hell by reviewers and players alike, and unlike the PC market, the console market will just forget about this game and move to CoD #42134.
It doesn't even have proper tutorials yet, new players will just be baffled at what they're supposed to do!
This is a TERRIBLE mistake!
You see those near future things you said you're working on?
AFTER YOU FINISH THOSE THE GAME WILL BE GOOD ENOUGH, RIGHT NOW IT ISN'T!

Edit:
Now that I'm a bit calmer, this is what I have to say.
I REALLY hope this game won't fail, I really hope future updates will bring back players that try this game and find it lacking.
But first impressions are incredibly important, and considering the average console player attention span, they won't even try it out in the future.

There are like a gazillion characters created for Dust, only a fraction actively play it.

Cat Merc, you're not seeing the big picture. Most people on these forums will stick around long-term. Anyone who doesn't will potentially come back every once in a while (maybe only every major patch), and check in on their characters. if they don't, oh well. A lot of people will. And with each and every upgrade/update, more will come. Sure numbers will taper off, and we'll have slow "seasons", but the thing about DUST, just as in EVE, it's a perpetual world. It's evolving, and CONSTANTLY changing. You leave one day, say you're done with this game. Say you leave the first week of uprising. it's too confusing. Everyone is fighting over planets, etc.

Then, you hear about a new release this winter. You figure, what the heck, you have some free time. You come back, and your old corp is now one of the major land holders in the game, several corps have fallen, or settled/merged into larger alliances, and in general, it's a whole new meta game.

No. not everyone is interested in meta. In fact, there are just a LOT of shallow people who take everything at face value. we call those people "COD players". Take everything game-by-game, nothing sticks except XP and KDR. There is no real weight behind anything you do.

This is why EVE/DUST is different. It's a much deeper meta game. Even though things like maps.. gear.. etc. takes a while to change, the game is still going on. Every match you play is a battle deciding which corps are going to hold more ground, and make more money. And even farther in the future, this could involve taking stations, and possibly even ships in EVE!

The goals for DUST are huge. and if people are too shallow to see that, then they don't deserve this game anyway. We will always have plenty of people playing. CCP will make sure of that.

Instead of whining like a sandy vageen, do something about it.

Instead of whining like a sandy vageen, do something about it.

...
And I can totally talk with the devs who are currently in pub crawls right now!

Different markets call for different strategies.
Also, different business model.
On average, only 5% of players who play a free to play game actually spend a dime on it.
And an even smaller amount pay 60+ dollars.
That means Dust needs as large a pool of players as possible.

Yes.
Because I'm in control of CCP right?
And I can totally talk with the devs who are currently in pub crawls right now!

Free game.

Continuous free updates.

HTFU?

Isnt the CEO of your corp on CPM? Yes, she is. Now, go dry your eyes and listen to CCP Guard tell you the HTFU. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5xvkAPXB9c

Isnt the CEO of your corp on CPM? Yes, she is. Now, go dry your eyes and listen to CCP Guard tell you the HTFU. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5xvkAPXB9c