Shoot them in the back?

make the game more fun by telling CCP to fix the broken crap in the game.

such as balance, FPS, hit detection, map design, map count, playability, loading times, connection issues, lag, less grindy, quicker action, larger groups, poisonous community, a better tutorial, controls that don't suck, actually play on an engine you are going to use not one you are just using as a placeholder....

i could go on but you get the jist.

i had witnessed the same type of behavior as someone was gang banged by a group of 4 heavies running around.

gotta love that HMG as it rips through everything without issue.

1. Let them try the Uprising build NOT this one lol
2. Proper tutorials and Training rooms
3. PvE
4. Uprising will also help filter organised grps into FW and less into Instant Battle Hisec games so newbies wouldnt get pummeled
5. Direct them to the various training corps to get a taste of the most engaging parts of DUST (FW & PC)

Boobs...... Big boobs

I think we as a community need to support & help the new players to get going initially.

Also, more tutorial guides would be nice to see!

Examples:
Weapon guide
Fitting guide
Role guide
Tactics guide for specific roles
Aiming guide

I completely agree that this is a major issue, though as others have pointed out many times, this is still a beta. The fact that Uprising is such a huge change from where the game is now shows that many, many things are still in flux. It's still true that a lot of people will hear about Dust, download it, get dumped into a match against multiple squads of veterans, get utterly annihilated and uninstall, and that's unfortunate. Matchmaking would help this, the weapon lab and other out-of-combat practice features will help this, Planetary Conquest and incentives for veterans to spend less time in pub matches will help this. But the fact remains that CCP has a very long view for Dust, and the changes that will really, finally give new players a clear path into Dust may be a long way off still.

Matchmaking also has to be some of the best weve ever seen in a shooter, esp in instant games.

Proper training and better match making. Saying "heres a gun, HTFU" to newberries gets old.

1 - 5 min training sim (mandatory)
2 - Optional other training sims (DS, HAV etc)
3 - Weapons training areas so people can learn the mechanics before having to invest in them. (also, allow these areas to be adjustable so you can see how the weapons progress at various levels/skills)

Proper training and better match making. Saying "heres a gun, HTFU" to newberries gets old.

LMFAO

this is how it was in my day, and I'm still around (actually I rather enjoyed my time as a nooby, but then perhaps I am some what of an anomaly *shrugs*). Plus, in my day, we had to walk up hill both ways thigh deep in snow just to get to and from a battle.

That may be the case for you, and props for doing it that way, but you're part of the select few. If CCP wants Dust to compete with other FPS titles, they need to do something to get new players interested for longer than a couple days.

That would work in a vacuum but this is the real world. Enough people moving on to the next FPS game and enough bad publicity and the slow death of this game will begin. In the FPS world, pretty much everyone has already heard of DUST so either they have tried it or will be trying it in the near future. That means that there is a small window to get people hooked on the game.

Putting on Marketing Hat: Video games follow the same product adoption process that almost everything else does.

Product Adoption Curve

Innovators - The very first people to get into the game as soon as it went closed beta
Early Adopters - All the closed beta vets
Early Majority - This is the early Open Beta guys

We are now moving into Late Majority now. People can debate all they want about whether the game is commercially released or not but that doesnt matter at all. What matters is what people believe. Once you get into the majority, people dont give a f*ck what its called, they are picking up the sticks and judging the game for what it is. If they have a bad impression, they are gone. You can cry BETA all you want.

That would work in a vacuum but this is the real world. Enough people moving on to the next FPS game and enough bad publicity and the slow death of this game will begin. In the FPS world, pretty much everyone has already heard of DUST so either they have tried it or will be trying it in the near future. That means that there is a small window to get people hooked on the game.

Putting on Marketing Hat: Video games follow the same product adoption process that almost everything else does.

Product Adoption Curve

Innovators - The very first people to get into the game as soon as it went closed beta
Early Adopters - All the closed beta vets
Early Majority - This is the early Open Beta guys

We are now moving into Late Majority now. People can debate all they want about whether the game is commercially released or not but that doesnt matter at all. What matters is what people believe. Once you get into the majority, people dont give a f*ck what its called, they are picking up the sticks and judging the game for what it is. If they have a bad impression, they are gone. You can cry BETA all you want.

I think CCP is following more of an MMO approach to Dust then an FPS approach.

Should also point out CoD and BF3/4 and Bungie's (makers of Halo by the way) Destiny are shifting their business models closer to an MMO model. Destiny basically is an MMO and CoD and BF3/4 are already using subscription models.

The market has changed and is changing for FPSs. I thinking your analysis would have been great for say 2009...but that is not where the market is going. Don't get me wrong Dust can still fail...but it will be because it failed in this new market environment not the old FPS market of 5 years ago.

Easy fix would be a simple matchmaker

Nuff said

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FPS or MMO, the curve will remain the same.

I think this is where we disagree. Look at minecraft, look at Dayz, look at EVE. Look at what Destiny is trying to be (I mention this because Bungie is a, if not the, original console FPS maker...what they are doing by making an MMO rather then a one shot fps is not some random choice for the fun of it. they see how the curve for community grown MMOs is very different then one shot FPSs) and finally look at the billions that World of Warcraft made for a long long long time.

The MMO curve is a broad swath of community building. CCP's experience with EVE and their ever growing for 10 whole years community fits this curve. This is the target CCP is going after.

Will they succeed? Who knows.

That "simple matchmaker" is a little more complicated to make then you or I probably think it is bud

Especially considering how complicated Dust is compared to say, Halo.

Bungie created a truly amazing matchmaking system over the course of their franchise, but the players in a given Halo match are all on relatively equal footing, which makes it easy for the game to determine who the better players are. Win often against better players and you move up in the system's rankings (which are crucially hidden from the player), lose against total n00bs and you drop like a stone.

The Dust metagame and deep RPG elements would completely break such a system. CCP has their work cut out for them.

The fact of the matter is new players need to continue playing.

No one became a bad ass at any MMO on their first run.

You will get stomped, you will be spawn camped, tanks will be spammed on a regular basis, and someday maybe in a week maybe in a few months you will get better. You will grab proto gear, you will melt them with your weapons, and you will look back and say " it wasnt as hard as it seemed."
Time will weed out the weak and unworthy. Time will seperate the men from the boys.

So give the game your time and it will return it ten fold.

Also join an ESTABLISHED corp, ask questions, use the forums.

No one should have to quite the game use your brain, read the skills, use everything untill you find your fit.

The people who leave this game because they get pub stomped dont belong here....

So buck up and welcome to new eden.

The fact of the matter is new players need to continue playing.

No one became a bad ass at any MMO on their first run.

You will get stomped, you will be spawn camped, tanks will be spammed on a regular basis, and someday maybe in a week maybe in a few months you will get better. You will grab proto gear, you will melt them with your weapons, and you will look back and say " it wasnt as hard as it seemed."
Time will weed out the weak and unworthy. Time will seperate the men from the boys.

So give the game your time and it will return it ten fold.

Also join an ESTABLISHED corp, ask questions, use the forums.

No one should have to quite the game use your brain, read the skills, use everything untill you find your fit.

The people who leave this game because they get pub stomped dont belong here....

So buck up and welcome to new eden.

The fact of the matter is new players need to continue playing.

No one became a bad ass at any MMO on their first run.

You will get stomped, you will be spawn camped, tanks will be spammed on a regular basis, and someday maybe in a week maybe in a few months you will get better. You will grab proto gear, you will melt them with your weapons, and you will look back and say " it wasnt as hard as it seemed."
Time will weed out the weak and unworthy. Time will seperate the men from the boys.

So give the game your time and it will return it ten fold.

Also join an ESTABLISHED corp, ask questions, use the forums.

No one should have to quite the game use your brain, read the skills, use everything untill you find your fit.

The people who leave this game because they get pub stomped dont belong here....

So buck up and welcome to new eden.

The problem is new players get overwhelmed by information and lack of guidance. No matter who you are, you most likely had someone help you along the way. Dust University is great, but you only really know about them if you do solid research. It shouldn't be like that, IMO. With the game as deep as it is, having true training grounds would help the game immensely.

And when starting EVE, an email is sent telling you about training corps like EVE U.

If this was War Z where each time you die, you loose everything on you (with no backup gear waiting, except a flashlight and a candy bar) idd be yelling "sh************t NOOOOOOOOOO" though :p

You know one thing that has not been mentioned....

Experienced players who want new players to stay could simply be really nice to new players.

Squad up...talk to the noobs in chat...let em in your corporations...or at least your alt corporations...give em access to your eve pilots and orbital strikes....i am sure there are a hundred other things one can do to build community I have not thought of.

Fundamentally CCP is a big corporation. They can't do this stuff...only the players can.

You know one thing that has not been mentioned....

Experienced players who want new players to stay could simply be really nice to new players.

Squad up...talk to the noobs in chat...let em in your corporations...or at least your alt corporations...give em access to your eve pilots and orbital strikes....i am sure there are a hundred other things one can do to build community I have not thought of.

Fundamentally CCP is a big corporation. They can't do this stuff...only the players can.

That was said on the video... you know the one on the OP.

not going to answer that

Boobs...... Big boobs

I didn't know that. I wonder how difficult it would be to add an automated message to your Dust character when you first start telling you about Dust University.

Aw, you watched it. Hahah. But yes, I did say it in the video. And it's in the title of the thread. "What can we do?"

It would be absolutely trivial, though they'd have to include some other training corps as well so as not to show favouritism.

That "simple matchmaker" is a little more complicated to make then you or I probably think it is bud

Experienced players who want new players to stay could simply be really nice to new players.

Squad up...talk to the noobs in chat...let em in your corporations...or at least your alt corporations...give em access to your eve pilots and orbital strikes....i am sure there are a hundred other things one can do to build community I have not thought of.

Fundamentally CCP is a big corporation. They can't do this stuff...only the players can.

Can you please point out the 'mmo' part of dust? All i can see is a mediocre lobby shooter.

I think I get where you are coming from. This is actually two different things.

I was speaking about actually acquiring a new customer which is where the curve comes from. It does not take into account how a customer behaves once they have been acquired.

The reason that many of these companies are moving to an MMO style is customer retention. There are only so many times you can jump into a match without it having any type of persisting effect. Many of these developers are drooling over what is called Customer Lifetime Value in marketing. The previous model was that a customer plunks down his/her $60 and maybe pays for a DLC or two. What they are now seeing is that someone who is involved with an MMO can end up spending hundreds over the course of their involvement.

While I agree with the CLV part of it, the key is getting them to stick with the adoption phase. Without that, the long term value is shot.

It also does not apply to a game that is always being updated. Always changing. Always growing. Where most of the content is player created. Where there is no fixed and finite experience.

Won't happen unless the structure of the game is fundamentally changed. Which won't happen. This game was honestly destined to fail from the start.

What is this "War Z"? Some crappy ripoff of Day Z?

In all seriousness, that game is bad,
and you should feel bad for ever playing it.

In answer to the OP, social interaction.

Every game has flaws, some debilitating, but the thing that makes a game worth playing, for the most part, is the people you play it with. Recruit new players, teach them tactics, help them with their play style, ***** and moan about broken functions together.

Battlefield, Defiance, CoD. A few games that are intolerable to play solo, for me at least, but playing them with friends or 'contacts' makes them less so. This game is no different.

Hey DS.

Your video raised some interesting points and I applaud your effort to attract new players. However, I noticed that you give much thanks in your vid to Subdreddit for helping you learn the ropes as a noob, but I see now that you are currently with SyN.

Just wondering why you bailed, brother?

Ahhh, bailed is such a negative term. I prefer resigned. Lol.

I have goals in Dust that I would like to achieve, and I believe playing with SyNergy gives me a better chance to meet those goals. Also, I have a lot of buds in the EoN. alliance, especially in GIANT. I don't have any problems with Subdreddit, but they obviously think I'm a traitor. I even donated 10 mil ISK to Subdreddit before I left.

customizable boob sizes like saints row did.

Shoot them in the back was the correct answer.

I don't know why there are more pages of this.

Eve didn't grow because it was welcoming. It grew because it stepped on new players nuts and that has always been continuous entertainment for older players.

Jesus Christ! Go play something else then! I've seen more optimism out of Sonic fans.

Nice video. It's great how you spend the entire video talking about how great you are at this game and how much noobs suck while pubstomping in a heavy suit that squadless noobs don't know how to kill yet. Very constructive stuff. Keep up the good work.