They're a nuisance that offer no real benefits to the game.

1) They make what is a scattered match even more scattered. Oh gee, let's let people sit half way across the maps and take pot shots at each other! That'll surely make the battles feel engaging! The maps are massive enough as it is. Allowing people to take themselves completely out of the battle while still picking off anyone else actually in a battle seems pointless.

2) The only real counter to a sniper is another sniper. No other class has its major counter its own class.

If you can offer any benefits that can outweigh these two glaring disadvantages, I'd like to hear them. Otherwise they are quite pointless, and the game as a whole would be better off without them.

They cause such sweet tears, and tactics, area denial, restricting enemy movement, reducing enemy numbers, instilling terror and other such "scrubby" stuff.

I play a stealth assault suit. I have no problem killing them, so as I see it, a great counter to a sniper is in a stealth class. Not only can stealth player kill snipers and take out droplinks, if I can't find that, flanking the enemy and/or killing the logis behind everyone is very helpful to the team.

And just wait until we get actual cloaking devices. If snipers can equip them, good luck finding any to kill. They'll just snipe, and cloak to hide from any counter attacks.

lol.. I love the tears. if your complaining about them then they are working as intended.
2. every other weapon, no really any other weapon just find them and shoot them I promise it work or your bad at FPS and should try a different type of game completely.

And every other class can do that just as effectively.

Let me know of a unique feature that snipers offer.

the counter to snipers is other snipers(counter sniping), stealth, or the laser rifle. point one on them for about a half second and they're dead.

seriously, laser rifles have half the range, much better power, longer clips, and none of that "I'm so ****ing wasted right now, dude" sway that snipers have to deal with. There's a reason you never snipers closer than 150 meters.

an smg couldn't could it, a LR could do that as well, but it has to deal with overheat, and gives away the user's position. the sniper on the other hand can do those things over a huge distance without giving his position away, if a sniper is pissing you off it means he's doing his job right, just because your angry that a sniper took you down a couple of times (btw a few things like zizzagging, stopping suddenly, and cover go a long way to reducing the amount of times you go down) doesn't mean they should be removed.

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This GTFO mentality is going to send this game straight into the gutter.

At least in Eve there is plenty of other things to do besides fighting. You're not going to get any new people to stick around if they continually get picked off by enemies they literally cannot see.

And in other FPS the maps are small enough that you can actually see snipers or there's bullet drop so they can't snipe clear across the map.

Dust 514 has the worst of both. Massive maps with no bullet drop off.

I've seen people snipe clear across the map on battlefield, a good deal of luck plays into it but it happens, and games like cod shouldn't even have snipers, the maps are way too small for them to even be used, and snipers are designed to take out targets long distances away, hell some rifles have maximum ranges of over a kilometre.

If the laser has half the distance of a sniper rifle, how exactly is it helpful? Snipers will just stay out of the range and pick people off that way.

Stealth is almost as useless as it enforces my first problem, it scatters people so much that it's not much of a massive battle anymore. All it is is pockets of 2-3 people on massive maps.

And like I said, take them out and the game wouldn't be hurt at all. Battles would be closer together and it would feel like an actual battle, not being picked off by a person you can't even see.

It's not snipers

it's how 90% of people use snipers

*sigh* maybe we should remove railguns as well, and LR's and everything that doesn't involve CQC while we're at it, that's really the kinda game we want, a ****** CQ cod clone. The fact is simple, their are quite a lot of bits of modern tech that are more than capable of making kills over a kilometer away, far out of decent view unless you have a magnification device, imagine what happens if you then go ten's of thousands of years into the future.

But Snipers aren't really used in battle. They're more for assassinating targets.

Realism doesn't always equal fun.

If people aren't having fun in a game, it's not going to last very long.

But Snipers aren't really used in battle. They're more for assassinating targets.

Realism doesn't always equal fun.

If people aren't having fun in a game, it's not going to last very long.

*sigh* maybe we should remove railguns as well, and LR's and everything that doesn't involve CQC while we're at it, that's really the kinda game we want, a ****** CQ cod clone. The fact is simple, their are quite a lot of bits of modern tech that are more than capable of making kills over a kilometer away, far out of decent view unless you have a magnification device, imagine what happens if you then go ten's of thousands of years into the future.

Well if you can't change the user base's mentality, you have to change the weapon to accommodate. Right now there's nothing really epic about a battle with snipers on both sides. At least with tanks and jeeps and heavies running around, it feels like an actual battle.

And there's no real incentive right now for the way the majority of the people play snipers. Good suits are expensive to equip. Why risk going into a firefight when you can sit back and pick people off with ease?

And there's minimal incentive for someone to sneak up on a sniper. It wastes too much time for 1 single kill. Might as well just continue to fight and hope the sniper doesn't target you. You'll get more points anyways by assisting and killing enemies that are bunched together.

I bet you would really really hate rail tanks, big clear targets that hit from 550m away in a single shot and the choices for taking them down is much more limited. im like you would quit and never come back if you have a problem with snipers this bad... going to run that a bit more now, thanks!

A lot is apparently being planned for snipers.

Back in closed beta, players may remember the "experimental sniper rifle"- I never used this myself, but apparently it had much longer range, but had a dropoff on the shot.
It was also originally planned for the build we're in now that all sniper rifles would need to be charged up, but it didn't make it in time (check the chromosome patch notes)

Or how about you actually contribute to the thread? asshat...

I don't think I've ever encountered a rail tank in a match.

A lot is apparently being planned for snipers.

Back in closed beta, players may remember the "experimental sniper rifle"- I never used this myself, but apparently it had much longer range, but had a dropoff on the shot.
It was also originally planned for the build we're in now that all sniper rifles would need to be charged up, but it didn't make it in time (check the chromosome patch notes)

And like I said in another post Realism doesn't automatically equal fun. Why do you think COD is the most popular shooter? It's not realistic at all.

There are shotguns with much farther ranges than in Dust, COD, or BF. And yet none of these games have such shotguns. I wonder why? Maybe because realism gets really boring.

omfg... i'll wait for when you do they are getting more common.

Why? are they as cheap as regular tanks?

Why? are they as cheap as regular tanks?

True, but cod clone doesn't necessarily equal fun either does it? Cod is just a lemming rush at each other with 11 year olds screaming at you down the mic, calling you a noob if you even try using a sniper scope like you're supposed too. COD is the most popular shooter because it makes every player think "I AM INVINCIBLE, I AM THE GREATEST PLAYER TO HAVE EVER DEIGNED TO PLAY THIS GAME, ANYTHING THAT KILLS ME MUST BE GLITCHED THEIR IS NO OTHER WAY I COULD DIE, I'M JUST SO GOOD, NOW STOP COMPLAINGING YOU SCRUBLETS AND LISTEN TO MY AWESOME MUSIC WHICH MY CHEAP HEADSET IS TOTALLY NOT MANGLING ENOUGH TO MAKE YOUR EARS BLEED". Not to mention the fact that what your asking for would remove 1 of the best and most useful roles (yes i said, thats my honest opinion on it, so f*ck you) from dust.

It will be interesting to see what changes are in the next build. I just dislike snipers in general. They're put in every shooter for no real reason than because snipers exist, so they should be added to a game.

Snipers are hardly ever used properly. People quick and no-scope in both COD and BF. At least in Dust you have to line up your shots.

so, what have we learned so far?

-CoD kid wants every game to be CoD.
-DUST players realize that CoD is the cancer that is killing good games
-Kid thinks that if he whines hard enough, DUST will become CoD.
-Kid is wrong.

I never said I wanted a COD clone. Snipers are much worse in COD as everyone treats them like shotguns that aim for you.

cheaper arguably, they tend to die less.

But thats what your basically aiming for, when you say a weapon should be removed because it doesn't mean every fight is a close quarter brawl.

can be cheaper, its a double edged sword for cheapness more go expensive on the turret thou.

OK, so maybe it was poor wording on my part. The maps are big enough and cover is spaced out enough that it's never really a close quarters match. I get pretty good distance with my AR, and coupled with some teammates, we can take out other people without being in each other's faces.

Snipers already make that battle seem much farther apart because there's less people around. I just want to feel like I'm fighting more than 2 people at a time.

we just have to hope for a larger player count, besides it depends on the map, some maps give you lots of small, long range engagements with one or two major ones like manus peak, others throw lots of large CQ engagements at you. depends on the map you get.

Please point out where I said I want Dust to be like COD.

This GTFO mentality is going to send this game straight into the gutter.

At least in Eve there is plenty of other things to do besides fighting. You're not going to get any new people to stick around if they continually get picked off by enemies they literally cannot see.

And in other FPS the maps are small enough that you can actually see snipers or there's bullet drop so they can't snipe clear across the map.

Dust 514 has the worst of both. Massive maps with no bullet drop off.

sorrry this post made me lol hard. Bullet drop isnt going to stop a good sniper. Example I play arma 1, arma 2 and VBS2 both are Milsims with real world bullet effect (wind, gravity, hearty, and etc) that doesnt stop me from sniping someone at 2,500 meters away 90% of the time.

Good sniper does in order
1st recon
2nd locate major threats
3rd Kill/ suppression fire

i bet your a CoD noob

Btw the arma series and vbs map are 20km x 20km

The problem isn't snipers, it's the red line and bowl shaped maps with places only one side can reach to place snipers. Fortunately these issues should be nicely dealt with in the upcoming map changes of the new build.

arrogant no . An Ahole yes. I'll guess ill correct you some more. You say snipers are rarely used. you are wrong there in rl world sniper are in almost virtually all battle either on your side or the enemies. And as others have stated the do more than just shoot they provide intel on troop movement and over watch that a sniper primarily job . Shooting and killing is secondary. Like other have said sniper with a mic is invaluable.

And that's incredibly rare in an Public Match...

Then again, there's a lot more wrong with public matches in the first place. New people aren't going to stay around long when matches end up 60-0 with guys on the winning team going 28-1.


I'm sure snipers will be amazing for Corp vs Corp matches, but in public matches, they're an incredible nuisance that makes battles more boring than interesting.

the only snipers that **** me off are glitcher sniper
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imho sniping is almost useless, I almost never die to snipers. my shields always take the first hit fully, I just take cover for few seconds (and map design is full of cover everywhere) and then move on with full hp. more snipers in the enemy team equals less bodies on the field with real firepower and the ability to take objectives and fight off other players/tanks. I also should not mention that a single sniper in your team can take them out alone without even getting noticed, because all those other snipers are too busy to shoot at those people going for objectives...

I only go for snipers when he uses a thale to collect hatemails otherwise I ignore them because they equal an easier win.

This is partially correct

They're a nuisance that offer no real benefits to the game.

1) They make what is a scattered match even more scattered. Oh gee, let's let people sit half way across the maps and take pot shots at each other! That'll surely make the battles feel engaging! The maps are massive enough as it is. Allowing people to take themselves completely out of the battle while still picking off anyone else actually in a battle seems pointless.

2) The only real counter to a sniper is another sniper. No other class has its major counter its own class.

If you can offer any benefits that can outweigh these two glaring disadvantages, I'd like to hear them. Otherwise they are quite pointless, and the game as a whole would be better off without them.