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Icy Tiger
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2013.04.18 22:58:00 -
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it's been a year since Skirmish 1.0 was taken out of the game, a bit more than that. Since then, we've played 2 modes, Ambush and Skirmish, (Ambush OMS is nothing new, stuff falling from the sky makes a slight difference, it doesn't qualify a new playlist or it being called a new mode).
So. After a whole year of the only mode that made Dust 514 somewhat unique being taken out, what we're getting is the same old mode (Skirmish) but with 1 objective, which, when tested a couple months ago, played horribly and was incredibly one-sided.
I see a problem here. A variation of Skirmish (which, face it, is just domination from other games, just much slower and drawn out) doesn't make it a new mode, and easily doesn't make it worth a new playlist.
Also, for those who think "OH but PC and FW will be NEW" no, they're just Skirmish with other corps. Simple as that.
Until some meaningful, and enjoyable game modes are put into Dust, everything else is useless, gameplay doesn't matter when the core game modes are so bland and useless.
Also, for that 1 point game mode, it's just a grenade, RE, and Heavy spamfest. |
crazy space 1
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.04.18 23:02:00 -
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the 1 point game mode isn't a new game mode...... >.> Each skrimish map has a different number of points and it should continue that way. Some maps should have a single point and be interior maps that are infantry only. Some maps should have 2 points, or 5!
But a new game mode would be reintroducing the 1st game mode, with attacking and defending, real time placement of new turets and buildings for support, Only one MMC on the field. Copme on guys if someone is attack your command center, why would always need a mobile command center... |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.04.18 23:09:00 -
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I totally agree with you, it is very VERY disappointing. That being said, it can be balanced if objective-spawning is removed, I have a thread on the subject: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=69402&find=unread . |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2013.04.18 23:13:00 -
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You'll be shocked by the "final" game mode then. More or less a giant ambush, with MCCs. |
Corn In TheSkidmark
Backstabbers N Cheaters Union
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Posted - 2013.04.18 23:24:00 -
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This new mode will just be constantly dominated by one team, while the losers switch into their sniper fits and try to get a headshot, call it Skirmish2 |
ICECREAMK1NG
WARRIORS 1NC
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Posted - 2013.04.18 23:31:00 -
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MAG.
Take front line and secure burn off towers, destroy bunker lines.
Second, move to secure cooling towers, main base then opened.
Attack main control rooms, A B C D E F and G.
All the while be aware enemy can rebuild front line defence and push you back to original attack start.
Now add to this 256 people in said game all using vehicles, air strikes and a proper command and comms struture.
MAG ..... EPIC..... Still failed sadly.
DUST 514.
16 versus 16, lets run around like headless chickens in a glorified free for all.
DUST 514...... TRASH...... Fail date TBA.
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Justin Tymes
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.18 23:36:00 -
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Corn In TheSkidmark wrote:This new mode will just be constantly dominated by one team, while the losers switch into their sniper fits and try to get a headshot, call it Skirmish2
Pretty much this. I don't see anything good coming out of this new mode. |
Schalac 17
D3LTA FORC3
Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.04.18 23:36:00 -
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When did closed beta start , Because I joined up in Aug. and I believe that was only the second closed beta. Where do people get a year from? |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
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Posted - 2013.04.18 23:38:00 -
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So, the "new" gamemode for Dust is just a re-release of "One and Only"?
Why can't they get permission from Sony to re-release a real Domination?
Obviously re-tool it for Dust, but yeah, it'd be a hell of alot better than just another variation of Skirmish (which is all "One and Only" really is).
****, I'd be happier if they just re-released Skirmish 1.0 and called it Domination |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.04.18 23:40:00 -
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Corn In TheSkidmark wrote:This new mode will just be constantly dominated by one team, while the losers switch into their sniper fits and try to get a headshot, call it Skirmish2
I'm almost sad that cloaks aren't coming out for this build, because then you could set up profile dampened scouts with cloaks and drop uplinks and it'd be pretty much impossible to be redlined permanently anymore. |
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Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2013.04.18 23:47:00 -
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Corn In TheSkidmark wrote:This new mode will just be constantly dominated by one team, while the losers switch into their sniper fits and try to get a headshot, call it Skirmish2
If it's like the old skirmish one-and-only, I'll dominate with REs |
xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Corporation
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.04.18 23:48:00 -
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ICECREAMK1NG wrote:MAG. Take front line and secure burn off towers, destroy bunker lines. Second, move to secure cooling towers, main base then opened. Attack main control rooms, A B C D E F and G. All the while be aware enemy can rebuild front line defence and push you back to original attack start. Now add to this 256 people in said game all using vehicles, air strikes and a proper command and comms struture. MAG ..... EPIC..... Still failed sadly. DUST 514. 16 versus 16, lets run around like headless chickens in a glorified free for all. DUST 514...... TRASH...... Fail date TBA. Edit
you forget it's going to be 24 vs 24...and imo it's going to be even worse....didn't we test this kind of "game mode" as a "new map" called one and only?
Anyway I totally agree with you...why didn't they just copy/pasted mag match mechanics? there was something like this once, and I think it was much better than this BF3 conquest mode clone. |
xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Corporation
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.04.18 23:50:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:
****, I'd be happier if they just re-released Skirmish 1.0 and called it Domination
^ This |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
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Posted - 2013.04.19 00:00:00 -
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Don't get me wrong, I remember "One and Only" being fun, though to bill it as a "new" gamemode when it is just another variation on Skirmish seems deceitful to me.
Call it what it is, a variation on Skirmish, give us Domination (and Acquisition and Sabotage) later once you secure rights from Sony. |
crazy space 1
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.04.19 00:08:00 -
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ICECREAMK1NG wrote:MAG. Take front line and secure burn off towers, destroy bunker lines. Second, move to secure cooling towers, main base then opened. Attack main control rooms, A B C D E F and G. All the while be aware enemy can rebuild front line defence and push you back to original attack start. Now add to this 256 people in said game all using vehicles, air strikes and a proper command and comms struture. MAG ..... EPIC..... Still failed sadly. DUST 514. 16 versus 16, lets run around like headless chickens in a glorified free for all. DUST 514...... TRASH...... Fail date TBA. Edit
yup, at the moment dust is trash becuse it's just in beta. I know that's a weak defence with how slow CCP works but they really shouldn't be taking people money yet....
Dust is etter than mag in all ways but actual content and game modes. I love everything dust could be. If it doesn't even get close to what mag had for war modes I'll lose interest :/
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Naustradamus Oracle
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.19 00:43:00 -
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ICECREAMK1NG wrote:MAG. Take front line and secure burn off towers, destroy bunker lines. Second, move to secure cooling towers, main base then opened. Attack main control rooms, A B C D E F and G. All the while be aware enemy can rebuild front line defence and push you back to original attack start. Now add to this 256 people in said game all using vehicles, air strikes and a proper command and comms struture. MAG ..... EPIC..... Still failed sadly. DUST 514. 16 versus 16, lets run around like headless chickens in a glorified free for all. DUST 514...... TRASH...... Fail date TBA. Edit
MAG failed for a lot of reasons, it's primary goal wasn't one of them. The game was much to big in scope for the PS3, and also lacked actual purpose. Sure, join a huge 128 vs128 ... but what did you get out of it? Nothing really. There was no purpose to the factions, etc.
I'm wishful that Sony brings back MAG for PS4 and makes it the game it should have been, but those wishes have been somewhat replaced by Dust.
Since Dust is a MMO project, I hope to see it's vision stretch to the PS4 and achieve this grand vision. Large scale battle with air, ground and maybe mech, water battles with well divided objectives. Dust has the potential to grow, and I hope it does so well.
Getting back to topic, yes, the game modes are ... a bit to be desired for.
The original Skirmish back last August was, to be honest, the best fun I'd had with dust to date. The first game I played had frame rate issues, lag issues and lots more ... but man I remember running up the hill with other mercs as we were on the attacking side. The gameplay in general can be compared to battlefield, but Dust felt unique.
I just hope that original mode comes back. If your going to fight for planet conquest, usually that means that there is already someone there that owns it and trying to defend, so attack/defence ... unless it's a neutral territory with no owners, then the current game modes apply.
One other mode I could see is a type of 1 sided capture the flag:
Mission assigned that attacker is to steal vital info/material from enemy based, so in essence, capture 3-5 flags.
Defending group simply has to try and hold them off, or side mission is to infiltrate and sabotage attacking MMC and decrease overall timer each successful sabotage.
In the end, all I'm saying is that all fights will be of a attack/defence gameplay, but little tweaks could be made like the above examples, and also previously mentioned fights on titan ships for capture, etc. I hope this major patch was just CCP trying to focus on gameplay so that next patch/update they can try and experiment a little more on game modes.
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Maken Tosch
OPERATIVES OF THE GOAT
2039
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Posted - 2013.04.19 01:01:00 -
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@Naustradamus
Just so you know, CCP has a ten-year plan for Dust, so don't expect epicness for at least one or two years. |
ReGnUM Public Relations
Imperfects Public Relations
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Posted - 2013.04.19 01:02:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:@Naustradamus
Just so you know, CCP has a ten-year plan for Dust, so don't expect epicness for at least one or two years.
Cool I will now go tell all my friends that. Great marketing  |
Maken Tosch
OPERATIVES OF THE GOAT
2039
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Posted - 2013.04.19 01:05:00 -
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ReGnUM Public Relations wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:@Naustradamus
Just so you know, CCP has a ten-year plan for Dust, so don't expect epicness for at least one or two years. Cool I will now go tell all my friends that. Great marketing
You're welcome. |
J'Jor Da'Wg
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.04.19 01:08:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:ReGnUM Public Relations wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:@Naustradamus
Just so you know, CCP has a ten-year plan for Dust, so don't expect epicness for at least one or two years. Cool I will now go tell all my friends that. Great marketing You're welcome.
Yes I am sure to tell my friends to go get a game now that has the potential to be decent in a few years.
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Vin Vicious
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.19 01:20:00 -
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guess you guys missed the big announcement , along with the one new game mode, were getting ONE map |
KryptixX
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.04.19 01:49:00 -
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If CCP doesn't put a real new game mode in the update after uprising i think they will see a real player drop off.
This whole taking over planets thing is cool, but if actually doing it is boring then who really cares. |
PIMP MAC DADDY 2100374163
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.04.19 01:59:00 -
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ICECREAMK1NG wrote:MAG. Take front line and secure burn off towers, destroy bunker lines. Second, move to secure cooling towers, main base then opened. Attack main control rooms, A B C D E F and G. All the while be aware enemy can rebuild front line defence and push you back to original attack start. Now add to this 256 people in said game all using vehicles, air strikes and a proper command and comms struture. MAG ..... EPIC..... Still failed sadly. DUST 514. 16 versus 16, lets run around like headless chickens in a glorified free for all. DUST 514...... TRASH...... Fail date TBA. Edit
I'm sorry but I STRONGLY agree with you ftw |
Icy Tiger
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
Noir. Mercenary Group
1177
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Posted - 2013.04.19 02:37:00 -
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Also, the pacing of the game in general feels slow and clunky. At least with Skirmish 1.0 people were focused, you had the ocassional sniper or guy running nowhere, but everyone else had a purpose. |
Terarrim
Valor Coalition
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.04.19 03:10:00 -
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I have to agree one game mode is not going to be enough. The old skirmish mode was the best mode. I think it would make it easier for new people to understand tactically as there is a defensive and offensive team. Tactics can be more readily be applied to choke points etc due to the way the game mode works. I really think that it would make allot of people happy if the old skirmish (bf3 style rush mode) was brought back in. I personally think more game modes are even more important than the planetary conquest mode.
Also like other people mentioned a rush or old closed beta skirmish type would make allot of sense if one team has to defend and one team attacks (in planetary conquest mode), because it means more to both teams that what they are doing attacking and defending a district and it has real meaning for the first time in this game.
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.04.19 03:14:00 -
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Icy Tiger wrote:Also, the pacing of the game in general feels slow and clunky. At least with Skirmish 1.0 people were focused, you had the ocassional sniper or guy running nowhere, but everyone else had a purpose.
It was all about blitzing the base after stage one, I always had an LAV ready for when the first objectives fell. That game type was SOOO imbalanced, yet SOOOOOOOOOOO much more fun then the garbage we have now |
Tiel Syysch
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.04.19 04:02:00 -
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Schalac 17 wrote:When did closed beta start , Because I joined up in Aug. and I believe that was only the second closed beta. Where do people get a year from?
I don't think you got an answer on this, unless I skimmed past it. From what I've heard, special invite-only closed beta began something like Dec 2011 (drawing attention to the year in case you glossed over that). Many of us joined in right around E3 of last year, so June-ish, so that's about 10 months for many of who you might think of as the "vets." Many (or all?) of active EVE accounts were given access somewhere between those 2 dates.
Yeah, waiting to see how Uprising turns out. If it's the same over-hyped, lack-of-delivery progress, I might not be around much longer.
If this new mode is just the "one-and-only" or whatever it was game mode we had a while back, I'm severely disappointed in CCP. Not only was it lame and an insta-redline more often than current skirmish, but... really? That's it? |
Nstomper
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
213
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Posted - 2013.04.19 04:04:00 -
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I feel you bro its kind of disapointing but hey they got the dust development videocast coming up next week lets hope they talk about some really cool things comng to dust |
Junko Mori
OMNI Endeavors
O.M.N.I. Initiative
15
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Posted - 2013.04.19 04:13:00 -
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wow another thread about people crying and QQIng and saying gimmie gimme gimmie.
Look Reality check Fanfest is NEXT week watch it on twitch ....they are not going to tell us anything now ...why ruin fanfest? WATCH fanfest.
There are more deets then they are telling us. CCP IS like Number one in keep info locked up till they want to tell you.
also ......Sony doesn't control what ccp does they way you think , get it through your skulls.
TL:DR
its also beta you dont have to pay a dim if your bored go do something else.
this isn't version 1.0 yet chill out. |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S.
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Posted - 2013.04.19 05:49:00 -
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Junko Mori wrote:wow another thread about people crying and QQIng and saying gimmie gimme gimmie.
Look Reality check Fanfest is NEXT week watch it on twitch ....they are not going to tell us anything now ...why ruin fanfest? WATCH fanfest.
There are more deets then they are telling us. CCP IS like Number one in keep info locked up till they want to tell you.
also ......Sony doesn't control what ccp does they way you think , get it through your skulls.
TL:DR
its also beta you dont have to pay a dim
if your bored go do something else.
this isn't version 1.0 yet chill out.
Yes since its "only" the same old stuff day in, day out since October.
October anything new? nope!
November anything new? nope!
December anything new? nope!
January anything new? nope!
Februrary anything new? nope!
March anything new? nope!
April anything new? nope!
May: one new map.
Are you out of your edited clone mind thinking that a single map is going to edited calm the folks down tired of edited excuses and "three months" of edited promises??
There had better be more things at Fanfest!!
I.e today I did not bother playing Dust as its boresville and heres hopeing the new build helps bring back something new.
Otherwise theres Fallout 4, Destiny, TES 6 and plenty of new games comeing out for October/November. |
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