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Dominus Fatali
Nox Aeterna Security
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Posted - 2013.04.17 21:19:00 -
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I must say, I can't wait for May 6th so that I can test this out. But anyways, this thread is for the purpose of speculating and discussing the titular weapon.
What We Know: -Light Weapon -Gallente design -Travel time -Follows a parabolic trajectory. -Anti-vehicle focus -Dumbfire
What I've Seen: -Appears to be a single shot per magazine. ---In the Battle for Caldari Prime trailer, at around the 1:12 mark, it is seen firing once. Immediately after, a hatch opens on the top. From what is seen in the concept art, this appears to be a reloading hatch. ------Unless, of course, it was not a first shot. -Prototype deals at least 550 damage to vehicles ---Even if using damage mods and maxed skill, still above 400 base. -Either very short charge or not charge at all, as the Logi using it fires after sprinting. So that is the extent of my knowledge. If you know anything, please don't hesitate to share. |
N1ck Comeau
Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION
232
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Posted - 2013.04.17 21:22:00 -
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I can't wait for all the new weapons personally.
Sense I rock the AR The Scrambler Rifle is gonna be good. |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative
154
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Posted - 2013.04.17 21:23:00 -
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appears to be OP and needs a nerf, It killed something |
Logi Bro
Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic
1226
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Posted - 2013.04.17 21:26:00 -
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I imagine it will be this at about 2:38 |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative
154
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Posted - 2013.04.17 21:31:00 -
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that game actually looks more fun the current one... sad |
Severance Pay
OPERATIVES OF THE GOAT
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Posted - 2013.04.17 21:31:00 -
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It looked like it was a straight shot. How do know what the dmg is? The guy in the video missed, unless he wasn't aiming at the vehicle. Then it poses the question "How do you know it is AV?" |
Justin Tymes
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
26
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Posted - 2013.04.17 21:38:00 -
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Looking forward to it. My Logibro will finally be able to go full Anti-vehicle and still will be able to harm infantry. |
Severance Pay
OPERATIVES OF THE GOAT
120
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Posted - 2013.04.17 21:40:00 -
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Justin Tymes wrote:Looking forward to it. My Logibro will finally be able to go full Anti-vehicle and still will be able to harm infantry. Lol you mean you never lock on to an installation and allign behind infantry? You don't know what you're missing. |
Dominus Fatali
Nox Aeterna Security
62
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Posted - 2013.04.17 21:44:00 -
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Severance Pay wrote:It looked like it was a straight shot. How do know what the dmg is? The guy in the video missed, unless he wasn't aiming at the vehicle. Then it poses the question "How do you know it is AV?"
If this ends up being forgegun with sights, I might have found a new toy. It seemed to curve slightly downward as the shot travelled. The scrambler rifle user had their gun over it, (1:20) showing ~550 ehp. The killfeed says it was killed by a plasma, which was from the Logi to the right of the screen, not the aforementioned one. And as for it being AV, I think that was dev confirmed. Also noteworthy, this Plasma Cannon's hatch thing didn't appear to open, posssibly showing different variations or that the first Logi had fired shots off screen. |
SIRAJKNIGHT
KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND
39
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Posted - 2013.04.17 23:09:00 -
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so is it supposed to be like an AR and Scrambler Pistol that is antivechicle, combined? |
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Severance Pay
OPERATIVES OF THE GOAT
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Posted - 2013.04.17 23:29:00 -
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SIRAJKNIGHT wrote:so is it supposed to be like an AR and Scrambler Pistol that is antivechicle, combined? The scrambler rifle will not be AV, but the plasma cannon will.
Any thoughts on the swarm pistol? Lols to that thing, god help tanks if Someone is packing forgegun and swarm pistol. With all the options for AV, and 16 v 16 fights coming to PC, is anyone going to call in vehicles of any kind? |
Dominus Fatali
Nox Aeterna Security
62
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Posted - 2013.04.17 23:31:00 -
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Severance Pay wrote:SIRAJKNIGHT wrote:so is it supposed to be like an AR and Scrambler Pistol that is antivechicle, combined? The scrambler rifle will not be AV, but the plasma cannon will. Any thoughts on the swarm pistol? Lols to that thing, god help tanks if Someone is packing forgegun and swarm pistol. I forgot about those. They'll be interesting, especially with Minmatar Assault (I think) increasing sidearm ammo in the magazine. |
Severance Pay
OPERATIVES OF THE GOAT
120
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Posted - 2013.04.17 23:34:00 -
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Dominus Fatali wrote:Severance Pay wrote:SIRAJKNIGHT wrote:so is it supposed to be like an AR and Scrambler Pistol that is antivechicle, combined? The scrambler rifle will not be AV, but the plasma cannon will. Any thoughts on the swarm pistol? Lols to that thing, god help tanks if Someone is packing forgegun and swarm pistol. I forgot about those. They'll be interesting, especially with Minmatar Assault (I think) increasing sidearm ammo in the magazine. Oh right, now assault can have AV fit and not lose AR maybe even use other grenade types too. |
Kushmir Nadian
Valor Coalition RISE of LEGION
153
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Posted - 2013.04.17 23:39:00 -
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You're right, would expect 400-600 damage, short reload time. My question is does barely affect infantry (like missiles) or can it be used against non-vehicular targets as well?
Even 400 damage will 2-shot most any class and many heavies. With apologies to Mass Driver users.....we don't need another noob tube. |
Justin Tymes
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
26
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Posted - 2013.04.17 23:57:00 -
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Kushmir Nadian wrote:You're right, would expect 400-600 damage, short reload time. My question is does barely affect infantry (like missiles) or can it be used against non-vehicular targets as well?
Even 400 damage will 2-shot most any class and many heavies. With apologies to Mass Driver users.....we don't need another noob tube.
Ok it's clear from that statement that you've never used the Mass Driver in this game. |
Another Heavy SOB
TRUE TEA BAGGERS
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Posted - 2013.04.17 23:59:00 -
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Severance Pay wrote:SIRAJKNIGHT wrote:so is it supposed to be like an AR and Scrambler Pistol that is antivechicle, combined? The scrambler rifle will not be AV, but the plasma cannon will. Any thoughts on the swarm pistol? Lols to that thing, god help tanks if Someone is packing forgegun and swarm pistol. With all the options for AV, and 16 v 16 fights coming to PC, is anyone going to call in vehicles of any kind?
It's not a "swarm pistol" It's being called a " flintlock pistol" and from the concept art appears to be more of a small clip mass driver. It is not an AV weapon.
Edit: just read the latest info pulled off Sisi, apparently it is AV capable, and much like a swarm launcher it sounds. God save the tankers I guess...
It should be mentioned that these "speculation" threads only serve to incite the uninformed to jump to unfounded conclusions.
Let's wait until we have the facts in front of us before we debate an items OPness. |
Tolen Rosas
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
82
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Posted - 2013.04.18 00:49:00 -
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Justin Tymes wrote:Kushmir Nadian wrote:You're right, would expect 400-600 damage, short reload time. My question is does barely affect infantry (like missiles) or can it be used against non-vehicular targets as well?
Even 400 damage will 2-shot most any class and many heavies. With apologies to Mass Driver users.....we don't need another noob tube. Ok it's clear from that statement that you've never used the Mass Driver in this game.
ur kidding right? the only people defending that thing are MD users. its a valid pt the game has its noob tube already. |
slypie11
Planetary Response Organisation
160
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Posted - 2013.04.18 00:59:00 -
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Another Heavy SOB wrote:Severance Pay wrote:SIRAJKNIGHT wrote:so is it supposed to be like an AR and Scrambler Pistol that is antivechicle, combined? The scrambler rifle will not be AV, but the plasma cannon will. Any thoughts on the swarm pistol? Lols to that thing, god help tanks if Someone is packing forgegun and swarm pistol. With all the options for AV, and 16 v 16 fights coming to PC, is anyone going to call in vehicles of any kind? It's not a "swarm pistol" It's being called a " flintlock pistol" and from the concept art appears to be more of a small clip mass driver. It is not an AV weapon. Edit: just read the latest info pulled off Sisi, apparently it is AV capable, and much like a swarm launcher it sounds. God save the tankers I guess... It should be mentioned that these "speculation" threads only serve to incite the uninformed to jump to unfounded conclusions. Let's wait until we have the facts in front of us before we debate an items OPness. My god, its flaylock, not flintlock. There is a major difference between a pistol that shoots rockets and a group of weapons that must be primed with black powder and fired by striking flint on a piece of metal. |
Dominus Fatali
Nox Aeterna Security
65
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Posted - 2013.04.19 12:54:00 -
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slypie11 wrote:Another Heavy SOB wrote:Severance Pay wrote:SIRAJKNIGHT wrote:so is it supposed to be like an AR and Scrambler Pistol that is antivechicle, combined? The scrambler rifle will not be AV, but the plasma cannon will. Any thoughts on the swarm pistol? Lols to that thing, god help tanks if Someone is packing forgegun and swarm pistol. With all the options for AV, and 16 v 16 fights coming to PC, is anyone going to call in vehicles of any kind? It's not a "swarm pistol" It's being called a " flintlock pistol" and from the concept art appears to be more of a small clip mass driver. It is not an AV weapon. Edit: just read the latest info pulled off Sisi, apparently it is AV capable, and much like a swarm launcher it sounds. God save the tankers I guess... It should be mentioned that these "speculation" threads only serve to incite the uninformed to jump to unfounded conclusions. Let's wait until we have the facts in front of us before we debate an items OPness. My god, its flaylock, not flintlock. There is a major difference between a pistol that shoots rockets and a group of weapons that must be primed with black powder and fired by striking flint on a piece of metal. +1 |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
251
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Posted - 2013.04.19 13:02:00 -
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Will it be another nail in the coffin for vehicle users?
I hope not, i really really hope not |
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Martin0 Brancaleone
Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS.
228
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Posted - 2013.04.19 13:19:00 -
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Tolen Rosas wrote:Justin Tymes wrote:Kushmir Nadian wrote:You're right, would expect 400-600 damage, short reload time. My question is does barely affect infantry (like missiles) or can it be used against non-vehicular targets as well?
Even 400 damage will 2-shot most any class and many heavies. With apologies to Mass Driver users.....we don't need another noob tube. Ok it's clear from that statement that you've never used the Mass Driver in this game. ur kidding right? the only people defending that thing are MD users. its a valid pt the game has its noob tube already.
Have you EVER used a MD? I use a mass driver, my corpmates belived it was a noob tube. After they tried it they all asked me how i could be good with it It's the only light weapon with travel time and bullet drop, you actually need skills to hit anything.
The only noob weapon in this game is the AR, no recoil, instant hit, huge clip and good range. |
Nstomper
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
214
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Posted - 2013.04.19 13:22:00 -
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you forogt to add plasma bullets |
Nstomper
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
214
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Posted - 2013.04.19 13:23:00 -
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Martin0 Brancaleone wrote:Tolen Rosas wrote:Justin Tymes wrote:Kushmir Nadian wrote:You're right, would expect 400-600 damage, short reload time. My question is does barely affect infantry (like missiles) or can it be used against non-vehicular targets as well?
Even 400 damage will 2-shot most any class and many heavies. With apologies to Mass Driver users.....we don't need another noob tube. Ok it's clear from that statement that you've never used the Mass Driver in this game. ur kidding right? the only people defending that thing are MD users. its a valid pt the game has its noob tube already. Have you EVER used a MD? I use a mass driver, my corpmates belived it was a noob tube. After they tried it they all asked me how i could be good with it It's the only light weapon with travel time and bullet drop, you actually need skills to hit anything. The only noob weapon in this game is the AR, no recoil, instant hit, huge clip and good range. this i love MD |
BMSTUBBY
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
138
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Posted - 2013.04.19 13:32:00 -
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ladwar wrote:appears to be OP and needs a nerf, It killed something
This + the only thing CCP is missing now is quick scoping.
Maybe we will get that in the next build sometime in 2015. |
Coleman Gray
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
198
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Posted - 2013.04.19 14:05:00 -
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Sounds like a beefed up mass driver to me really. |
Tolen Rosas
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
83
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Posted - 2013.04.19 19:17:00 -
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Coleman Gray wrote:Sounds like a beefed up mass driver to me really.
noooo please nooo!!!
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Jason Pearson
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
864
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Posted - 2013.04.19 19:21:00 -
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My guess is this is going to be an effective Weapon against Shields.
Swarms = Armor Forge = Hybrid, so both Plasma = Shields
R.I.P. Shield Tanks xD |
Xender17
Oblivion S.G.X
21
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Posted - 2013.04.19 19:34:00 -
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How much damage well the charge shot from the Scrambler Rifle do? In the uprising vid the player was firing at the tank... |
The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1258
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Posted - 2013.04.19 20:54:00 -
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Geez would you guys please wait until the thing is released and we have actual stats on the weapons? From now on it could be anything from overpowered-absolute garbage. But due to CCP's behaviour i would suggest that the new weapons will be deffo strong maybe too strong. Or do i have to callout the laser rifle which first seemed to be garbage and used by nobody and then i rocked that thing day and night and all off a sudden it becomes OP. |
Nazz'Dragg
FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED TACNET
6
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Posted - 2013.04.19 21:34:00 -
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From the latest Merc Cast. The CCP devs indicated that the plasma cannon and Scrambler Rifle where two different weapons. The Plasma cannon being a light weapon slot cut down vision of a forge gun and the Scrambler Rifle being a lasor weapon with powerful single shots or weak multi shots. |
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Dominus Fatali
Nox Aeterna Security
66
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Posted - 2013.04.20 18:14:00 -
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Speculation: In my opinion, this weapon will be powerful, but not overly so. Despite its seemingly high power, it will be difficult to use at range on account of the charge and the ballistics (travel time and drop). In addition, it has a single shot magazine, requiring much greater precision in order to hit the target. Compared to swarm launchers, this need for greater precision is even more evident, as it is dumb-fire. When used in an anti-personnel role, an even greater amount of skill is needed to consistently hit targets. The charge up time also plays an effect, giving enemies time to close the distance and/or get to cover. At short range, enemies will likely be able to strafe around the shot, allowing them to kill the cannon user who is either reloading or switching weapons. As for it being used akin to a shotgun at close range, a shotgun (surprisingly) preforms much better, with a larger magazine and faster firing. If it impacts, however, a dead or nearly dead enemy is almost guaranteed.
TL;DR: This is an AV weapon that can be used as AP, neither task which it seems to excel at.
Keep in mind, I am just stating what I have observed, and am in no way calling for a nerf or buff before the community has ample time to play with this. |
DeadlyAztec11
One-Armed Bandits Atrocitas
65
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Posted - 2013.04.20 18:48:00 -
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Another Heavy SOB wrote:Severance Pay wrote:SIRAJKNIGHT wrote:so is it supposed to be like an AR and Scrambler Pistol that is antivechicle, combined? The scrambler rifle will not be AV, but the plasma cannon will. Any thoughts on the swarm pistol? Lols to that thing, god help tanks if Someone is packing forgegun and swarm pistol. With all the options for AV, and 16 v 16 fights coming to PC, is anyone going to call in vehicles of any kind? It's not a "swarm pistol" It's being called a " flintlock pistol" and from the concept art appears to be more of a small clip mass driver. It is not an AV weapon. Edit: just read the latest info pulled off Sisi, apparently it is AV capable, and much like a swarm launcher it sounds. God save the tankers I guess... It should be mentioned that these "speculation" threads only serve to incite the uninformed to jump to unfounded conclusions. Let's wait until we have the facts in front of us before we debate an items OPness. Flaylock, not flintlock. It shoots rockets, not musket balls lol |
Jackof All-Trades
Bojo's School of the Trades
105
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Posted - 2013.04.20 21:05:00 -
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Jason Pearson wrote:My guess is this is going to be an effective Weapon against Shields.
Swarms = Armor Forge = Hybrid, so both Plasma = Shields
R.I.P. Shield Tanks xD Hybrid means plasmaGǪ |
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