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Kristoff Atruin wrote:

Of course it would also be quite simple to say that the move to TQ *was* commercial release, since anyone and everyone in the world could buy things for the game at that point. What does commercial release even mean? It's not like this is a game that will be in a box on the shelf in Walmart.

When merc packs started being sold during closed beta it was assumed that we would be getting wiped again at release, as we did with every build. They had no plans at all for how to reward beta players for their contribution. It was big news when they decided that our reward would be to not get reset, but they are under no obligation at all to not reset us. That's a gift, not part of some "contract". The wording for the merc pack refunds was directly related to character resets, because we had to be assured that we would still have our space dollars after the inevitable and frequent resets. CCP could honor this agreement by wiping us all out and making us start with brand new characters, with all the merc pack items refunded along with the special event rewards. Of course that would be incredibly bad for all of us, especially those who bought BPOs before the prices went up.

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tribal wyvern ZionTCD Legacy Rising 721	Posted - 2013.04.15 18:55:00 - [1] - Quote Please don't give in to the people demanding merc pack refunds/aurum refunds. If you must take this demand into consideration, consider this..........those who want refund get sp reset too. I heard somewhere that a full aurum refund would also involve character reset? I may be wrong, but a lot of us are at a comfortable position now in terms of skills etc, and it would be wrong to punish 90% of players because of the 10% who want this refund .
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon Plus 66	Posted - 2013.04.15 19:02:00 - [2] - Quote This entire thing is hugely out of proportion from what was necessary. We have a dozen threads on this already. I do agree with you, though.
Hazed2085 Bragian Order Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2013.04.15 19:03:00 - [3] - Quote this game sbarely has any players. ive seen the op; in game and i mostly play with and against the same people every gamejavascript:if%20(typeof%20posting=='undefined'\|\|posting!=true)%20{posting=true;__doPostBack('forum$ctl00$PostReply','');}
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1128	Posted - 2013.04.15 19:07:00 - [4] - Quote Yeah, totally fair. If you want the stuff you bought, you gotta be punished. I mean hey, clearly it's the player's fault that CCP doesn't have their ** together. I just want the stuff I purchased ** me, right?
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3437	Posted - 2013.04.15 19:10:00 - [5] - Quote They got what they paid for, the AUR items weren't defective. We were informed that the move to Tranquility would be the last wipe planned, if they wasted their items despite that, then it is their fault. Nitpicking at language and playing internet lawyer is annoying. They should stop trying to ruin everything for the rest of us; its really annoying.
Chris F2112 187. 42	Posted - 2013.04.15 19:12:00 - [6] - Quote I agree completely. People complaining about this should get the choice to have all their Aurum refunded upon release as long as they forfeit all stats and SP. If I was CCP I would just make it a mandatory reset for those who bought that merc pack. That way they will get exactly what the merc pack originally stated. Lucky for them CCP is nicer than I am.
Moochie Cricket SyNergy Gaming EoN. 192	Posted - 2013.04.15 19:14:00 - [7] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: They got what they paid for, the AUR items weren't defective. We were informed that the move to Tranquility would be the last wipe planned, if they wasted their items despite that, then it is their fault. Nitpicking at language and playing internet lawyer is annoying. They should stop trying to ruin everything for the rest of us; its really annoying. This. +1
tribal wyvern ZionTCD Legacy Rising 726	Posted - 2013.04.15 19:15:00 - [8] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: This entire thing is hugely out of proportion from what was necessary. We have a dozen threads on this already. I do agree with you, though. I know there's a dozen threads already, but they are threads demanding said refund, not pleading for ccp to ignore it.
ReGnUM Public Relations Imperfects Public Relations 121	Posted - 2013.04.15 19:16:00 - [9] - Quote Forum Vet here. I could honestly careless what they do... However, I see this situation as a win win for me. CCP breaks their legal word. I will bash them for it. CCP breaks their word to the community about a reset. I will also bash them for it. I guess that is what happens when you don't think things through, or have a general road map. Either way the next few weeks are going to be very exciting .
NIKIA BETHUNE Ill Omens EoN. 123	Posted - 2013.04.15 19:23:00 - [10] - Quote The best thing for everyone would be for ccp to reset stats not completely just the sp using active and passive boosters I think a complete reset would be drastic. I know I have spent around $200of merc packs but I don't want the aur back I know what I was buying. And I'm not mad at people for taking advantage of opportunity CCP are big boys& girl simple truth is they should not have keep that clause after the move and the last wipe. We are all adults I say they simple take responsibly for their mistake and we all drive on.

Kristoff Atruin Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 415	Posted - 2013.04.15 19:26:00 - [11] - Quote Of course it would also be quite simple to say that the move to TQ was commercial release, since anyone and everyone in the world could buy things for the game at that point. What does commercial release even mean? It's not like this is a game that will be in a box on the shelf in Walmart. When merc packs started being sold during closed beta it was assumed that we would be getting wiped again at release, as we did with every build. They had no plans at all for how to reward beta players for their contribution. It was big news when they decided that our reward would be to not get reset, but they are under no obligation at all to not reset us. That's a gift, not part of some "contract". The wording for the merc pack refunds was directly related to character resets, because we had to be assured that we would still have our space dollars after the inevitable and frequent resets. CCP could honor this agreement by wiping us all out and making us start with brand new characters, with all the merc pack items refunded along with the special event rewards. Of course that would be incredibly bad for all of us, especially those who bought BPOs before the prices went up.
ISuperstar Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 31	Posted - 2013.04.15 19:28:00 - [12] - Quote Baal Roo wrote: Yeah, totally fair. If you want the stuff you bought, you gotta be punished. I mean hey, clearly it's the player's fault that CCP doesn't have their ** together. I just want the stuff I purchased ** me, right? Yes f#ck you, self entitled prick.
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1128	Posted - 2013.04.15 19:47:00 - [13] - Quote ISuperstar wrote: Baal Roo wrote: Yeah, totally fair. If you want the stuff you bought, you gotta be punished. I mean hey, clearly it's the player's fault that CCP doesn't have their ** together. I just want the stuff I purchased ** me, right? Yes f#ck you, self entitled prick. Yes. I'm entitled to get what I bought. It's a monetary transaction, that's how it works ya clown. Does it feel good White Knighting for CCP? Do you think they might have you over for tea later for defending their honor?
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1128	Posted - 2013.04.15 19:50:00 - [14] - Quote Kristoff Atruin wrote: Of course it would also be quite simple to say that the move to TQ was commercial release, since anyone and everyone in the world could buy things for the game at that point. What does commercial release even mean? It's not like this is a game that will be in a box on the shelf in Walmart. When merc packs started being sold during closed beta it was assumed that we would be getting wiped again at release, as we did with every build. They had no plans at all for how to reward beta players for their contribution. It was big news when they decided that our reward would be to not get reset, but they are under no obligation at all to not reset us. That's a gift, not part of some "contract". The wording for the merc pack refunds was directly related to character resets, because we had to be assured that we would still have our space dollars after the inevitable and frequent resets. CCP could honor this agreement by wiping us all out and making us start with brand new characters, with all the merc pack items refunded along with the special event rewards. Of course that would be incredibly bad for all of us, especially those who bought BPOs before the prices went up. But it's clearly NOT directly related to character resets, it specifically (and I assume intentionally) mentions both character resets and commercial release separately. No one needs to worry about a reset anyhow, CCP have stated already that they have a reimbursement program they will soon be rolling out to honor the contents of the Merc Pack.
Arramakaian Eka Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 370	Posted - 2013.04.15 19:52:00 - [15] - Quote As a closed beta player, I disagree. CCP (and all game developers and publishers and businesses in general) must be held to their promises. They promised AUR refund, they must deliver. It's not the players' fault CCP can't get their marketing and PR act together.
Kristoff Atruin Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 417	Posted - 2013.04.15 20:00:00 - [16] - Quote It clearly isn't? It clearly is. Character resets refers to resets done in beta for testing purposes. We know for a fact that there were no plans to let us keep our SP and isk at release. We bugged CCP about this for months, hoping to get them to let us keep our progress. I'll repeat myself, it was huge news when they decided to let us keep our SP. The plan had been to wipe us all at release and put us on even footing with the newbie hordes. That is what the merc pack disclaimers referred to as commercial release. CCP decided to give us an extra reward for testing this game through its darkest days. That reward was to not wipe us at release. That wipe (which they now intend to not do) was the very reason that language existed on the merc pack to begin with. Another option I'd love to see is for CCP to give people the chance to reset their characters as if they'd never had any aurum. eg: figure out how much passive and active SP sans boosters would have been given, and cut back your SP to that level. Revoke the aurum items, then refund the $20 to your credit card.
Icy TIG3R Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 101	Posted - 2013.04.15 20:05:00 - [17] - Quote Baal Roo wrote: Yeah, totally fair. If you want the stuff you bought, you gotta be punished. I mean hey, clearly it's the player's fault that CCP doesn't have their ** together. I just want the stuff I purchased ** me, right? stfu, nowhere did it say that the merc pack was buy one, get one free, if you want your aur, deal with a reset.
Gunner Nightingale Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 509	Posted - 2013.04.15 20:07:00 - [18] - Quote OP i am i closed beta vet, i will simply ask if you know what happens when you assume?
Geth Massredux ZionTCD Legacy Rising 139	Posted - 2013.04.15 20:11:00 - [19] - Quote Seriously, a character reset would suck, after all the time spent, railgun sniping, blowing up people with remote explosives, skilling into the **** I never will use again, all that time spent was from closed beta and now. I could care less for a aurum refund, I put my money into this game, supporting it because its probably the best fps out there, I put my money into this game for a good reason, all I need now is that sp respec and im good, and that goes for lots of closed beta players- im sure Also even though it says aurum refund after full release(when buying a merc pack) The game isnt being fully released. Who the hell knows when it will? If uprising build is the full release somebody please tell me if thats true- If it is then i will shut up on this topic...
Calgoth Reborn United Front LLC 237	Posted - 2013.04.15 20:26:00 - [20] - Quote tribal wyvern wrote: Please don't give in to the people demanding merc pack refunds/aurum refunds. If you must take this demand into consideration, consider this..........those who want refund get sp reset too. I heard somewhere that a full aurum refund would also involve character reset? I may be wrong, but a lot of us are at a comfortable position now in terms of skills etc, and it would be wrong to punish 90% of players because of the 10% who want this refund . I am a closed beta vet you don't speak for me so stop acting like you do and stop acting like your opinion on the subject is all that matter's because it certainly does not. I am also sure the other beta vet's would also say you don't speak for them as well so stop with the we bullshit. Does anyone else remember CCP saying it would be crazy to charge for item's during beta without giving you a refund at CR I certainly do.

Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. 80	Posted - 2013.04.15 20:32:00 - [21] - Quote ReGnUM Public Relations wrote: Forum Vet here. I could honestly careless what they do... However, I see this situation as a win win for me. CCP breaks their legal word. I will bash them for it. CCP breaks their word to the community about a reset. I will also bash them for it. I guess that is what happens when you don't think things through, or have a general road map. Either way the next few weeks are going to be very exciting . Forum Vet forgets that all of that hinges on just a few simple words which are generally considered to be part and parcel of any T&C Terms and Conditions are Subject to Change without Prior Notice. Also, it is "couldn't care less", saying that you "could care less" implies that you care in the first place. TBH though, I don't really expect much in the way of mental gymnastics from you, you are, after all, Imperfect.
Maximus Stryker Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 419	Posted - 2013.04.15 20:41:00 - [22] - Quote I thought everyone was under the impression that when we made our last transition to TQ and had this past reset, that people were moving forward being careful with their SP and not wasting their AUR. Was I the only one operating as if I was not going to get a reset/respec or any of my Merc Pack items/ AUR back?
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. 80	Posted - 2013.04.15 20:43:00 - [23] - Quote Maximus Stryker wrote: I thought everyone was under the impression that when we made our last transition to TQ and had this past reset, that people were moving forward being careful with their SP and not wasting their AUR. Was I the only one operating as if I was not going to get a reset/respec or any of my Merc Pack items/ AUR back? No, most of us were in the same boat as you, though the ones who thought that they'd be able to get a yacht from CCP are the ones screaming. No need for a yacht, the lifeboat we got is just fine.
Moochie Cricket SyNergy Gaming EoN. 192	Posted - 2013.04.15 21:05:00 - [24] - Quote This is an easy fix for CCP... never go into commercial release. Problem solved.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative 139	Posted - 2013.04.15 21:11:00 - [25] - Quote Moochie Cricket wrote: This is an easy fix for CCP... never go into commercial release. Problem solved. yea, that'll work.
tribal wyvern ZionTCD Legacy Rising 739	Posted - 2013.04.15 22:00:00 - [26] - Quote Calgoth Reborn wrote: tribal wyvern wrote: Please don't give in to the people demanding merc pack refunds/aurum refunds. If you must take this demand into consideration, consider this..........those who want refund get sp reset too. I heard somewhere that a full aurum refund would also involve character reset? I may be wrong, but a lot of us are at a comfortable position now in terms of skills etc, and it would be wrong to punish 90% of players because of the 10% who want this refund . I am a closed beta vet you don't speak for me so stop acting like you do and stop acting like your opinion on the subject is all that matter's because it certainly does not. I am also sure the other beta vet's would also say you don't speak for them as well so stop with the we bullshit. Does anyone else remember CCP saying it would be crazy to charge for item's during beta without giving you a refund at CR I certainly do. Well out of the closed beta vets I've spoken to, alot of them agree with me (and others who have the same view). Yes my opinion matters, because IM not trying to break the game because I want free aurum. If you want your aurum back then you should forfeit your current character progression and be reset back to 0. Why ruin it for the rest of us because you are too tight fisted to accept the fact there have been enough aurum refunds to date, and the move to TQ was the LAST (ad stated by the devs MANY times).
ca ronic Moffit Bros 4	Posted - 2013.04.15 22:54:00 - [27] - Quote Tired of listening to the beggars whine. Anybody really thought they would get the aurum back along with all the stuff they bought with it, yea right. I'm into this reset about a month late so it would actually work in my favor. Rather keep the points I have acquired but dont really care much anymore.
Wigglen Tallywacker ZionTCD Legacy Rising 10	Posted - 2013.04.15 22:58:00 - [28] - Quote Will people realize its not a SP reset itsa refund.
Paran Tadec Imperfects Negative-Feedback 973	Posted - 2013.04.15 23:00:00 - [29] - Quote tribal wyvern wrote: Please don't give in to the people demanding merc pack refunds/aurum refunds. If you must take this demand into consideration, consider this..........those who want refund get sp reset too. I heard somewhere that a full aurum refund would also involve character reset? I may be wrong, but a lot of us are at a comfortable position now in terms of skills etc, and it would be wrong to punish 90% of players because of the 10% who want this refund . sycophants.
ca ronic Moffit Bros 4	Posted - 2013.04.15 23:15:00 - [30] - Quote Wigglen Tallywacker wrote: Will people realize its not a SP reset itsa refund. Some of us see it as either / or. Keep your SP or refund aurum spent.



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