maybe because 2 > 1?

maybe because 2 > 1?

maybe because 2 > 1?

maybe because 2 > 1?

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Vk0
and Balacs modified VK0


They all have their uses and aren't nearly as useless are you are trying to say they are.

actually, im pretty sure 2 is greater then 1.

as in the Type 1 suit only needs assault suits at 1, while the Type II needs it at 2.


so yes:
2 > 1

Type-I vs Type-II aren't on different tiers from each other, they are on equal tiers that are designed for separate functions. The type-I heavy isn't any better or worse than the type-II, it just has a different functionality for a different mindset.

Incorrect - the Type II suits have a higher SP requirement to use, therefore they are designed to be better with a higher cost associated to them (both in ISK and SP investment).

Incorrect - the Type II suits have a higher SP requirement to use, therefore they are designed to be better with a higher cost associated to them (both in ISK and SP investment).

Not useless, just outclassed... completely.

Edit: Not sure, but I think armor has better resistances, that's about it as far as advantages I can think of.

All the other suits have a trade off.

The heavy gets less EHP for mobility.

The Logi loses an equipment slot for mobility

I don't remember exactly what the scout does. I think it exchanges a sidearm slot for an equipment slot, but I may be mistaken.

The Assault suits are the only ones where Type-II and correlating variants are straight up better.

Explain type II vs type I logistics dropsuits, the type-II variant costs more ISK and requires more SP, but has the same health, mod slots, and weapon slots as the type-I. They lose an equipment slot for more stamina, hence the same tier of suit, but designed for a different mindset.

Incorrect - the Type II suits have a higher SP requirement to use, therefore they are designed to be better with a higher cost associated to them (both in ISK and SP investment).

Clearly, the only way to balance type 1 with 2 variants is nerfing the type 2 variants

All variants cost more SP wise and ISK wise, whether they're actually better or not. I think it's a mistake for them to cost more ISK wise, but SP wise it's fine because you're supposed to be specializing further into a certain role.

Take a type I, Slap a repairer and armor plate on, then put some damage mods on the high slots. This equals relatively decent HP with much better DPS. there you go, have some fun with it if you can!

I run a free type-I suit in instant que's and maintain a 5+ k/d.

I use raven type-i, exile AR, Toxin Sub machine gun, 2 milita light damage mods (blueprint), militia armor plate (blueprint), militia armor repair (blueprint), militia nanohive (blueprint), and militia locus grenades (blueprint).

u think thats bad? as a sniper, i cannot even one-shot most of the assaults even with full offensive build (requires proto scout).

weaponry + sniper proficiency + 3 complex mods = 55%
charge rifle = 266 dmg

(266)x(1.55) = 412.3 dmg

AND i am paying MORE isk than assaults are. AND this doesnt even take into account the EXTRA shield/armor assaults can stack on. not fair imo. the ammount of time (and money) i spend into dmg should balance out the amount of time (and money) than my opponent spent

Actually, you have that backwards.

Armor takes bonus damage from explosives like mass drivers and grenades, and projectiles like HMG's & SMG's. Shields take bonus damage from lasors and.... well... lasors. There's a grenade specifically for knocking off shields though, but a regular grenade does the same to armor so that's not really applicable.

I think the only thing armor is resistant to



The Type-ll Scout suits are a little slower and I believe have more armor and less shields, plus have an additional equipment slot.

The Logi looses a vital equipment slot and gains speed. They also loose no PG/CPU, so not having that third piece of equipment means you have more PG/CPU to fit better mods and weapons.

The Heavy get's less EHP and less incentive to equip damage mods by running Type-ll suits since half their health will be dictated by the shield extenders in it's high slots.

The assault Type-ll suit has more EHP, better health regeneration, better speed and more PG/CPU.

That's not to say the Type-l variants are useless, just that they are inferior to the Type-ll.

I run a free type-I suit in instant que's and maintain a 5+ k/d.

I use raven type-i, exile AR, Toxin Sub machine gun, 2 milita light damage mods (blueprint), militia armor plate (blueprint), militia armor repair (blueprint), militia nanohive (blueprint), and militia locus grenades (blueprint).

u think thats bad? as a sniper, i cannot even one-shot most of the assaults even with full offensive build (requires proto scout).

weaponry + sniper proficiency + 3 complex mods = 55%
charge rifle = 266 dmg

(266)x(1.55) = 412.3 dmg

AND i am paying MORE isk than assaults are. AND this doesnt even take into account the EXTRA shield/armor assaults can stack on. not fair imo. the ammount of time (and money) i spend into dmg should balance out the amount of time (and money) than my opponent spent

I beleive this will be changed with uprising. Especially since toons who go Gallante and Amarr will only get armor varient suites (Type 1 at lvl 1, type A at lvl 3 and Vk.0 at level 5) and Caladari and Mnmitar will only get the shield varients. (type -II, Type B and Vk.1.)

To me the major advantage to armor is the ability to stack damage mods without sacrificing the main source of your survivability.

Here are some basic maths

A type-II suit with lvl 5 Field Mechanics and Shield Control skills:

(225 x 1.25) + (105 x 1.25) = 412.5 EHP

A type-I suit:
(125 x 1.25) + (175 x 1.25) = 375 EHP

So not only are they slower, need a module to repair, and have a slower repair rate, but they also have less starting EHP.

The problem here is obvious, type-1 suits suck, they need a buff (along with many other things in the game)

Just 30 more HP would bring it up to type-II EHP levels, I'd suggest 130 shields and 200 armor. I'm also not sure why it has less PG and CPU then the type-II

need a module to repair

Clearly, the only way to balance type 1 with 2 variants is nerfing the type 2 variants

A lot of useless stuff I already know

Yes, we all know that shields regenerate. Yes, we all know that currently shield tanking is the way to go as far as assauilt suits go. But I'm not talking about tanking, or what kind of fitting you have, or what you could possibly do with the suit, I'm talking about the suit itself.

Learn how to shoot straighter?

Don't be a scout?

Exactly, but instead of nerfing Type-II, I think we should buff Type-I to bring it up to par.

There's other things that need a buff as well, like IDK... scout suits, and heavies. Seriously, this game gets flatter every day.

I was agreeing with you, and I wasn't talking about tanking, I was talking about how initial suit parameters of the Type II give it a superior edge because a majority of it's HP can be regenerated, while at the same time allowing it to be a faster suit. I'm saying that the only current method to effectively counter Type II Assault is a flux nade, very well. The severely low armor leaves the Type II suit much more exposed when shields are stripped, making it easier to destroy hence forth.

Kapish!

EDIT: A buff to the Type I is a buff to Assaults which is definitely NOT needed. The Type I is not underpowered, only in relation to a questionably overpowered counterpart, of the same Breed.

buffing the type I assault would leave a huge gap between the assault suits and all other suits imho.

The way I see it, there's two ways of balancing things. Nerfing anything that seems "too good", in this case Type-IIs, or buffing anything that isn't as good, in this case Type-1 Assaults, Scouts and Heavies.

I personally prefer buffing everything else, IMO nerfing only makes the game duller.

The way I see it, there's two ways of balancing things. Nerfing anything that seems "too good", in this case Type-IIs, or buffing anything that isn't as good, in this case Type-1 Assaults, Scouts and Heavies.

I personally prefer buffing everything else, IMO nerfing only makes the game duller.

Buffing some things is a nerf to others. For instance, say you buff every item in the game but one. Wasn't that one item nerfed? Same applies here. You want to buff the Type I, leaving the Type II alone, which is practically nerfing all the other suits by making them weaker in comparison to the whole assault class.

An assaults are UP Thread? Now I've seen it all. Two words big boy; flux nades. I see proto-kids romping around with Vk. 1's and just take out my flux nade MD suit and bam, Type II pot pie.

This isn't a problem with the type I, it's a problem with the Type II. Predominant shields to begin with is what makes the Type II so powerful, meaning you have more HP that can just regenerate. That's a problem I trust will be solved in uprising. It's not that armor tanking is weaker than shield tanking, it's just that within the simplest confines of the suit, having predominant shields is currently greater than predominant armor.

Every dropsuit needs a module to repair.

What he said. If you spend SP to increase a level that unlocks something then you should see a different function of that item. I'm not saying it needs to be superior but it does need to be different. Assault suits are made to kill - it's in the name - and should get a boost from one to two or why else do it. The suits as we know them are balanced about as much as they can be.

All the other suits have a trade off.

The heavy gets less EHP for mobility.

The Logi loses an equipment slot for mobility

I don't remember exactly what the scout does. I think it exchanges a sidearm slot for an equipment slot, but I may be mistaken.

The Assault suits are the only ones where Type-II and correlating variants are straight up better.

The way I see it, there's two ways of balancing things. Nerfing anything that seems "too good", in this case Type-IIs, or buffing anything that isn't as good, in this case Type-1 Assaults, Scouts and Heavies.

I personally prefer buffing everything else, IMO nerfing only makes the game duller.

Doing that would cause people to cry about their suit not being buffed *cough*logi*cough*

Only recently have I started using dropsuits aside from the BPO ones, I decided to purchase a small parcel of Neo A-Types to try them out and I have to say that I am happy with them. It has cause me to decide to start skilling into better dropsuits. So far, I have to admit that I haven't really missed the 3rd Equipment slot on the Type-1 Logi, though I have been putting the Type-2 Logi to a different use.

All in all, I like the idea of each unlock having a different specialization within its role, similar to the specializations within T1 ship classes in Eve.

Logi's are already good, they might even be the best class at prototype level, they don't get to cry.

Our gear costs more than Assaults and Scouts at every single class to do our job, of course we get to cry. Especially since we're always the first target.

When did this become a discussion about heavies and scouts? It is strayed.