So you'd rather tanks remain exactly as they are now?

if CCP doesn't make tanks more "multi crew oriented", they would seriously limit the tactical potential of these vehicles.

In games like Battlefield 3

If you're that confident and are right about the 50/50 chance, I'll pay you for the tanks that you lose.

edit: but you better be willing to pay me a fair amount if I win ^.^

If it's first to ten, we can start by making the contract enough to pay for five tanks. You can choose gunnlogi w/adv rail or all out sagaris battle.

You're asking them to require multiple squads to operate one.

Maybe that is where we disagree. I'd rather not have DUST514 to become Battlefield 4.

It might be more powerful if it can soak up ten forge shots, two orbitals and repair all of that damage every thirty seconds, but I have a feeling that you would not consider that "balanced".

If you're making a HAV driver a 6 or 7 man crew, it better be worth it. If you're not using at least a three man team, you're just doing it wrong.

Don't reply to this thread if you don't have anything constructive to add to the conversation.

If you're that confident and are right about the 50/50 chance, I'll pay you for the tanks that you lose.

edit: but you better be willing to pay me a fair amount if I win ^.^

If it's first to ten, we can start by making the contract enough to pay for five tanks. You can choose gunnlogi w/adv rail or all out sagaris battle.

I am being constructive. Now stop dodging.


If you win I'll completely agree with you, but there is no way that HAVs are a one man vehicle. There are plenty of people who are just trying to nerf HAVs, show me that I am wrong.

This is the last time I'll post this. I am 99% sure you're just trying to troll HAV drivers because you dislike HAVs and would like to see them nerfed.

I don't understand why you would refuse this offer if you believe that you are right. I am offering to pay for your HAVs and extra if you prove me wrong. I'll even agree with you and concede that I was completely wrong and mistaken. You don't have to post anything. If it is 50/50, there's a good chance that we'll both lose at least 8 to 9 tanks.

That's a lot of ISK I could lose, and you can earn a significant amount. I'm comfortable putting up that much money because I am not only confident that what I am saying is accurate, but I am also willing to back it up with ISK.

you are messing with what we have already

How would this tank idea play in the game when the MCC follows its name. Mobile ....Command...Center.

To 0 Try Harder, I am kinda mental. Maybe insane. I might sacrifice a few tanks to you. Even if it is to become a better driver.

This gives me an idea.

Drivers/pilots should be re-designated as "vehicle commanders".

Anyone in any seat in the vehicle should be able to bring up the module wheel with R2, not just the commander. The vehicle commander will have the ability to select modules and assign them to another player in the vehicle. This way, if you're running with a squad and you trust your gunners to look after you, they can be handed control of things, but if you're running solo and a random jumps into your tank, they won't hijack important things which you really shouldn't trust a blueberry with.

Also, while I like the idea of a "command centre" vehicle, I think they should have "command" variants for certain vehicle types, rather than making it a "this is what tanks do" role.

+1

The way people are using tanks right now isn't how they're meant to be used. Why should a solo tanker be able to 2-shot kill an HAV crew that's utilizing tactics and teamwork?

Dust 514 isn't call of duty, this game is built around tactics and teamwork. Why should solo-gameplay be on equal terms with team-oriented gameplay?

It's not

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How about this. We do a 1v3 battle. You get a solo tank, I get two gunners. They will not use AV or anything like it on your HAV to keep it lolfair.

I'm going to bet that you are going to fail miserably. Why? Because HAVs are not solo vehicles. Again, just because people use them as such does not mean that they are. What you are actually doing is:

1) Forcing people to play how you want them to play.
2) Actually making the HAV a four to five person vehicle.

The second part is extremely important. Right now we have 8v8, and soon we will have 16 v 16 or 12 v 12. If you have to take four to five people out of a battle to operate ONE vehicle, it is just not worth it. Especially when one to two proto AV can destroy the HAV.

I do not want HAVs to go the way of LAVs and dropships, and that's exactly what adding more people is going to do. HAVs are already weak enough, and making more people operate them is going to make them even worse, unless you do something that will never happen. IE give HAVs a second large turret instead of a small one, or make it so that HAVs can fly. See what is needed to make it actually worth it to take even more people to operate one?

il take your challenge because I can use the hav solo and kill any tank, you would need a 2nd tank just to distract me.

Then squad up with people who know what they're doing, dumbass. That's what every other vehicle pilot needs to do to be effective.

I have a feeling HAV drivers will freak out again since someone is trying to make them use teamwork- just like when I suggested that the driver shouldn't control any turrets. I don't give a damn about how technology would make it possible- it's more efficient when the driver can worry about driving and the gunner can worry about gunning.

Our fight score right now is 5:4.

You want to balance out tanks, make them more of a powerful. teamwork-based, game-changing asset, which is less frequently used to rack up kills in ambush matches against pubbies and more used to help your team win major battles?

Make gunner and driver seperate. Easy as that.

And before the QQ starts about it being 'my tank' and not wanting to rely on blueberries, there are lots of ways you could get around those issues (squad-only vehicle, for example). Drover focuses on driving and modules, gunner focuses on shooting. They share points for kills.

You solve the problem of one man HAV's and the over-use of HAV's in one swoop. You make tanks a more valuable asset to your team because they will be used less often, and you give DUST a teamwork mechanic that isn't found in most shooters.

And before you start bitching, I read people saying themselves they didn't want DUST to be like BF3. Well, here you go. Thiis is nothing like BF3. AFAIK, you'll only find this mechanic in ARMA and Project Reality, and as someone who plays both, I can assure you that you don't have to drive and gun to have a shitload of fun in a tank, and get your heart pumping. There's also no better feeling than coordinating with your driver to get a sweet shoot-and-scoot kill, or as a driver using your optics to mark targets for the gunner.

You can all ***** at this idea now.

Well guys, the dev just stated in the updates thread that eventually, they will be making HAVs more tactical and squad oriented. Don't know how, but it will be happening.