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Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc
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Posted - 2013.04.11 17:57:00 -
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Actually, you know what I would like to see in Pubs. This is the total Carebear option, but If you spend a good portion of a match inside a dropship or HAV and most of your points come from this and if you gain a certain threshold of WP (Once its fixed for DS) and you lose some DS or such. (All of these must be met and the WP is culmulative not flat rate)
They reward you at the end of the match with some base DS or such BPC.
Its a simple enough fix. If you use them alot and you lose them but are assisting, then you get more. It allows people to always be pilots or drivers if they are decently assisting, it would be a high buy in option because you wouldn't get any BPC until you started contributing to get your WP up.
Example 1. Spend 60%+ Match time in DS 2. 500-1000 WP from vehicle activity (Per instance) 3. Only gain 1 BPC per vehicle lost during fight.
In this example if you spent most your time in a DS and you gained 1000 WP from DS flying and lost 2 DS then you would get 2 militia DS BPC, if you lost 3 DS then you would still only get 2. If you only gained 500 WP and lost 2 DS then you would only get 1 BPC.
Only the cheapest vehicles are given out as BPC, you have to pay for all the fittings.
There is my Carebear Stare Answer, feel free to bacon. |
Skihids
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
1173
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Posted - 2013.04.11 18:56:00 -
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That would prevent gankers from obtaining a BPC reward.
Though I'd rather see sufficient ISK payouts for risking high value vehicles such that you could make a living in a standard or advanced model like you can in the same level dropsuit. Tie it to WPs so that you have to be useful to your team, and that would ensure the vehicle would be in harms way a good deal of the time. That way a reasonably capable pilot can be self sustaining running moderate level gear (ie not full proto) just like infantry.
Just like infantry you can still go broke if you die lot and don't earn enough WPs to get a nice slice of the ISK payout.
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Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc
195
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Posted - 2013.04.11 20:00:00 -
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thinking about my post some more, having the server calculate how much time you spend in a drop ship would be kinda lame, and limiting, what about that Pilot Dropsuit Idea, if you get the WP and lose your ride while wearing the Pilot Dropsuit (Which only has a Sidearm Slot and can only fit vehicle enhancing/interfacing mods) Then you get the BPC.
I don't know about increasing the ISK rewards to allow people to drive this stuff all the time. Because then you will just have people in HAVs at super long range bombing people to ISK farm, basically just like having sniper fights (Which are lame if its the whole conflict). Or you have a troll drop a uplink and then get in his HAV and just farm points from people spawning at his uplink. With my idea the balance is you have to lose the vehicle and you only get back what you lose so I didn't see a way to "farm" massive ISk with it that would break the standard ISK generation of other careers.
[Edit:] Or a troll in his DS parked in a safe high spot letting people spawn on him for free WP for massive ISK payouts. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax. CRONOS.
1283
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Posted - 2013.04.11 20:58:00 -
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Daedric Lothar wrote:thinking about my post some more, having the server calculate how much time you spend in a drop ship would be kinda lame, and limiting, what about that Pilot Dropsuit Idea, if you get the WP and lose your ride while wearing the Pilot Dropsuit (Which only has a Sidearm Slot and can only fit vehicle enhancing/interfacing mods) Then you get the BPC.
I don't know about increasing the ISK rewards to allow people to drive this stuff all the time. Because then you will just have people in HAVs at super long range bombing people to ISK farm, basically just like having sniper fights (Which are lame if its the whole conflict). Or you have a troll drop a uplink and then get in his HAV and just farm points from people spawning at his uplink. With my idea the balance is you have to lose the vehicle and you only get back what you lose so I didn't see a way to "farm" massive ISk with it that would break the standard ISK generation of other careers.
[Edit:] Or a troll in his DS parked in a safe high spot letting people spawn on him for free WP for massive ISK payouts. The Dropship one is easy: don't let the uplink work unless the vehicle is active, so it stays on the radar. Also, with new attack oriented aircraft coming in, there won't be any such thing as a high safe spot anymore. |
Skihids
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
1174
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Posted - 2013.04.11 21:29:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Daedric Lothar wrote:thinking about my post some more, having the server calculate how much time you spend in a drop ship would be kinda lame, and limiting, what about that Pilot Dropsuit Idea, if you get the WP and lose your ride while wearing the Pilot Dropsuit (Which only has a Sidearm Slot and can only fit vehicle enhancing/interfacing mods) Then you get the BPC.
I don't know about increasing the ISK rewards to allow people to drive this stuff all the time. Because then you will just have people in HAVs at super long range bombing people to ISK farm, basically just like having sniper fights (Which are lame if its the whole conflict). Or you have a troll drop a uplink and then get in his HAV and just farm points from people spawning at his uplink. With my idea the balance is you have to lose the vehicle and you only get back what you lose so I didn't see a way to "farm" massive ISk with it that would break the standard ISK generation of other careers.
[Edit:] Or a troll in his DS parked in a safe high spot letting people spawn on him for free WP for massive ISK payouts. The Dropship one is easy: don't let the uplink work unless the vehicle is active, so it stays on the radar. Also, with new attack oriented aircraft coming in, there won't be any such thing as a high safe spot anymore.
The pilot has to be in the ship or the MCRU isn't active. |
Skihids
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
1174
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Posted - 2013.04.11 21:34:00 -
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Daedric Lothar wrote:thinking about my post some more, having the server calculate how much time you spend in a drop ship would be kinda lame, and limiting, what about that Pilot Dropsuit Idea, if you get the WP and lose your ride while wearing the Pilot Dropsuit (Which only has a Sidearm Slot and can only fit vehicle enhancing/interfacing mods) Then you get the BPC.
I don't know about increasing the ISK rewards to allow people to drive this stuff all the time. Because then you will just have people in HAVs at super long range bombing people to ISK farm, basically just like having sniper fights (Which are lame if its the whole conflict). Or you have a troll drop a uplink and then get in his HAV and just farm points from people spawning at his uplink. With my idea the balance is you have to lose the vehicle and you only get back what you lose so I didn't see a way to "farm" massive ISk with it that would break the standard ISK generation of other careers.
[Edit:] Or a troll in his DS parked in a safe high spot letting people spawn on him for free WP for massive ISK payouts.
The problems you cite can and should be solved in other ways than trying to limit ISK rewards. It hasn't stopped redline sniping, so it isn't likely to stop vehicular farming either. |
Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc
196
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Posted - 2013.04.11 22:19:00 -
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Skihids wrote:[ The problems you cite can and should be solved in other ways than trying to limit ISK rewards. It hasn't stopped redline sniping, so it isn't likely to stop vehicular farming either.
The thing is however, you don't want this to happen
PROTIP: Start off training these couple vehicle skills and you will make lots and lots of money, just drive around in pubs in your HAV to fund your actual protosuit assault build.
I understand helping people afford tanks, but it shoudn't be the best/only way to make money in the game. Because if I have the option of 300k isk in my assault suit vs 1.4M in my HAV. You better believe I'll be sitting back redline sniping in my tank.
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Hunter Junko
Bojo's School of the Trades
68
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Posted - 2013.04.11 23:56:00 -
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Skihids wrote: That translates directly to DUST. Hit the pubs with a cheap suit and build up your bank account right now. Try and have 30m ISK or more at the start. That way you don't have to fly scared and can sustain losses as you learn what the new ships can do and what dangers the new AV poses. You don't want to be grinding ISK 4-5 matches between each flight or you risk never getting good enough to sustain your career.
The other thing you can do is share expenses with other pilots. Start a flying club with other pilots in your corp or go looking for them in the public channels. I'm not sure if the old 0K0D channel is still operational, but if so it's a great place to look. Practice in groups of three. One flies while the other two gun and keep watch.
That does three things: 1) Splits the cost. You buy one third the ships you would otherwise. 2) Teaches you what sort of flying your gunners need from you. There's no better way to learn the many ways you can frustrate your gunners than to do it yourself. 3) Provide feedback. Debrief after the match and offer constructive criticism to each pilot. We could probably devote a whole thread to how to get the most out of this.
There's a chat Channel called Condor Squad , i guess its the reincarnation of 0k0d so it might work.
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Shouper of BHD
Better Hide R Die
40
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Posted - 2013.04.12 02:08:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Daedric Lothar wrote:thinking about my post some more, having the server calculate how much time you spend in a drop ship would be kinda lame, and limiting, what about that Pilot Dropsuit Idea, if you get the WP and lose your ride while wearing the Pilot Dropsuit (Which only has a Sidearm Slot and can only fit vehicle enhancing/interfacing mods) Then you get the BPC.
I don't know about increasing the ISK rewards to allow people to drive this stuff all the time. Because then you will just have people in HAVs at super long range bombing people to ISK farm, basically just like having sniper fights (Which are lame if its the whole conflict). Or you have a troll drop a uplink and then get in his HAV and just farm points from people spawning at his uplink. With my idea the balance is you have to lose the vehicle and you only get back what you lose so I didn't see a way to "farm" massive ISk with it that would break the standard ISK generation of other careers.
[Edit:] Or a troll in his DS parked in a safe high spot letting people spawn on him for free WP for massive ISK payouts. The Dropship one is easy: don't let the uplink work unless the vehicle is active, so it stays on the radar. Also, with new attack oriented aircraft coming in, there won't be any such thing as a high safe spot anymore.
actully thats inccorect, the Assualt varient flys even lower then the current DSes do. |
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