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Rob Grooove PSJunkies.com 0	Posted - 2013.04.08 08:52:00 - [1] - Quote I've been an avid PSN gamer for a good 6 years now and over that time I have built up a lot of good PSN friends. When I told them about Dust514 they got all excited so we all linked up and jumped into a game and they hated it. Number 1 reason was we couldn't communictae. I think mic chat is such an important part of any multiplayer game (especially one like this) and I think it's a huge mistake to charge us real money to use it. 4 friends of mine now will not play this game again due to the fact they can't use mic chat.
Vyzion Eyri The Legion Academy ROFL BROS 403	Posted - 2013.04.08 08:56:00 - [2] - Quote It's free to communicate to your squad using microphones. With 6-man squads coming soon, you should be able to accomodate 5 other friends. Furthermore, once the marketplace is run by us players, UVTs will undoubtedly become available for ISK. We can only wait and hope now. Everyone's holding their breath at this phase, I reckon.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3356	Posted - 2013.04.08 09:19:00 - [3] - Quote Part of what you may be experiencing is that voice chat is set on OFF by default, and push-to-talk is set ON as well. In battle (and in squads) communication is totally free, but the default settings need to be changed.
Zyrus Amalomyn Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 86	Posted - 2013.04.08 09:32:00 - [4] - Quote You and your friends need to pay attention more if you didn't see the voice chat in options.
Zion Shad ZionTCD Legacy Rising 1675	Posted - 2013.04.08 09:43:00 - [5] - Quote IGÇÖm a firm believer in Free Corp Voice chat. However, I would not mind UVTs being used for any other player made channels
REMNANCY 1 Opus Arcana Orion Empire 4	Posted - 2013.04.08 10:05:00 - [6] - Quote Why does everyone think you need UVT's to use squad chat I mean wouldn't paying for basic comms be the definition of pay to win which CCP is not doing?
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3356	Posted - 2013.04.08 10:18:00 - [7] - Quote REMNANCY 1 wrote: Why does everyone think you need UVT's to use squad chat I mean wouldn't paying for basic comms be the definition of pay to win which CCP is not doing? Voice chat isn't on by default, so when they turn their mics on and try to communicate it doesn't work. They also see UVTs for sale which offer voice communication capabilities for AUR, and they put those 2 things together to reach the conclusion that UVT is needed for voice communications.
Takahiro Kashuken Intara Direct Action Caldari State 202	Posted - 2013.04.08 10:30:00 - [8] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: REMNANCY 1 wrote: Why does everyone think you need UVT's to use squad chat I mean wouldn't paying for basic comms be the definition of pay to win which CCP is not doing? Voice chat isn't on by default, so when they turn their mics on and try to communicate it doesn't work. They also see UVTs for sale which offer voice communication capabilities for AUR, and they put those 2 things together to reach the conclusion that UVT is needed for voice communications. Then they are idiots
KalOfTheRathi Talon Strike Force LTD 327	Posted - 2013.04.08 11:31:00 - [9] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Then they are idiots QQ Kittens have No Actual Brains! We now have confirmation. Thank you.
Daedric Lothar Onslaught Inc 123	Posted - 2013.04.08 11:54:00 - [10] - Quote Actually it is a easy assumption to make. When I first logged into the game I browsed around the market and stuff first before playing a match. I saw the UVT and assumed it was what I had to get to use the voice feature. It doesn't make them idiots, its natural for people to want to get comfortable in the setting before hitting battle finder and if they come across the UVT before they play then its easy to be mistaken. Mostly I think the description on the UVT just needs to be edited so it has a great big bold statement right at the front "You do not need this to talk to other dust Mercs" And then put what it does do.

Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2403	Posted - 2013.04.08 13:02:00 - [11] - Quote When I'm bringing a friend into the game, I make a point of directing them to several things. The first one is ALWAYS turning voice on.
Halador Osiris Dead Six Initiative 128	Posted - 2013.04.08 14:05:00 - [12] - Quote Vyzion Eyri wrote: Furthermore, once the marketplace is run by us players, UVTs will undoubtedly become available for ISK. We can only wait and hope now. Everyone's holding their breath at this phase, I reckon. Zion Shad wrote: IGÇÖm a firm believer in Free Corp Voice chat. WARNING: Math. I believe corporate UVT's have been mentioned, and I'm assuming if regular UVTs hit the market for ISK then corporate ones will as well. Bring in a tax rate like EVE has, and we've got free comms. I'm assuming they won't be cheap (a PLEX has a real world value of $20 and costs ~500 million in game). That's about 25 million ISK per dollar. I'm not sure how much a corpo UVT will cost, but if we threw out a random number and said it was $50/mo, your corp would have to raise 1.25B ISK a month. This isn't terribly hard if you have a nullsec eve player bankrolling you, but I could see it being difficult for a dust corp. A corporation of 100 players would need to generate 12.5M ISK a month from each player, you'd have to tax them each at 5% and they'd ALL have to be making 250M ISK a month. I'll also add that PC battles will generate roughly 16M ISK, and dividing that between 16 players nets each player 1M. Win a PC battle every day and you're making 30M a month. Add on 1M from pubs every night and you're at 60M. This won't be easy. TL;DR Tax a corp of 416 people at 5% and make them all win a PC battle every night and you'll afford it.
Daedric Lothar Onslaught Inc 123	Posted - 2013.04.08 14:30:00 - [13] - Quote Halador Osiris wrote: I'm not sure how much a corpo UVT will cost, but if we threw out a random number and said it was $50/mo, Thats pretty expensive, even a frag TS3 server for like 75 users is only $30. Most corps would probably only need like 35 users which even on a TS server is like $10.00. I understand paying for an ingame option might run a premium, but you don't want to make it so high the player base gives you the finger and just moves their PS3 next to their PC and runs on their PCs TS.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. CRONOS. 1272	Posted - 2013.04.08 16:59:00 - [14] - Quote Yet another example of why it should be on by default, because we keep having people come in and assume it just doesn't work.
BlG MAMA PLAYSTATION4 45	Posted - 2013.04.08 17:22:00 - [15] - Quote Dust514 is a money milking machine.
Daedric Lothar Onslaught Inc 135	Posted - 2013.04.08 17:27:00 - [16] - Quote BlG MAMA wrote: Dust514 is a money milking machine. You are thinking of EA
Goric Rumis Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 144	Posted - 2013.04.08 18:10:00 - [17] - Quote I'm a firm believer in switching up the UVT model so that you're paying to create and maintain a single channel that anyone can join, rather than paying to join as many channels as you want. This makes it so that you can bring people in who aren't able or ready to pay for a UVT individually. As it stands, there's no point in paying for a UVT because any other given player probably doesn't have one.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 783	Posted - 2013.04.08 18:17:00 - [18] - Quote Chat Channels and Corp channels are handled by someone else, CCP has to pay them, UVTs are there to cover the cost.
noob 45 Syndicate of Gods 26	Posted - 2013.04.08 19:15:00 - [19] - Quote Currently the voice setup is just stupidly implemented and overly complicated. Considering the learning curve of this game and its complexity in so many aspects, it would be wise to simplify where possible. Are you going to make more money from a small group of players buying the UVT, or is this actually costing you money by turning away potential investors (aurum or boosters)?
Valto Hynton 2100453693 SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 10	Posted - 2013.04.08 19:26:00 - [20] - Quote while looking at the price for plex($20) and how much bigger effect a plex has over a uvt, it would make sense for it to be below that.There is also the big player base that dust can attract and if you combine that with a low price,it would encourage players to buy it.Sometimes quantity over quality works out better.All that's left is to find a reasonable price.

Agent Overkill Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 5	Posted - 2013.04.08 22:37:00 - [21] - Quote CCP should have seen this coming and us players have posted about this problem and they have taken no action (so far).
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 784	Posted - 2013.04.08 23:25:00 - [22] - Quote noob 45 wrote: Currently the voice setup is just stupidly implemented and overly complicated. Considering the learning curve of this game and its complexity in so many aspects, it would be wise to simplify where possible. Are you going to make more money from a small group of players buying the UVT, or is this actually costing you money by turning away potential investors (aurum or boosters)? UVTs aren't even necessary, I don't see what the big deal is. They should just have chat turned on by default, though I'm not exactly sure how someone would connect a mic to a PS3 in the first place if they're not at least smart enough to check the menus.
Paran Tadec Imperfects Negative-Feedback 972	Posted - 2013.04.08 23:35:00 - [23] - Quote Too dumb to turn mic on in settings, too dumb to play Dust. Period. kthxbye.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. CRONOS. 1273	Posted - 2013.04.09 00:07:00 - [24] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: Too dumb to turn mic on in settings, too dumb to play Dust. Period. kthxbye. Ok, I know "this is New Eden", but the whole point of this game is to NOT have as massive a barrier to entry as EVE.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 784	Posted - 2013.04.09 00:14:00 - [25] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Paran Tadec wrote: Too dumb to turn mic on in settings, too dumb to play Dust. Period. kthxbye. Ok, I know "this is New Eden", but the whole point of this game is to NOT have as massive a barrier to entry as EVE. How did they connect the mic to the PS3 in the first place if they can't even check the menus?
B Team Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.04.09 06:20:00 - [26] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: REMNANCY 1 wrote: Why does everyone think you need UVT's to use squad chat I mean wouldn't paying for basic comms be the definition of pay to win which CCP is not doing? Voice chat isn't on by default, so when they turn their mics on and try to communicate it doesn't work. They also see UVTs for sale which offer voice communication capabilities for AUR, and they put those 2 things together to reach the conclusion that UVT is needed for voice communications. Then they are idiots Be that as it may, if you want this game to stay around, you'll need them. Probably best not to be a prick and drive them off right away.
Quidam Brujah DUST University Ivy League 0	Posted - 2013.04.09 06:23:00 - [27] - Quote Daedric Lothar wrote: BlG MAMA wrote: Dust514 is a money milking machine. You are thinking of EA No, he's thinking of Dust. There's no way they aren't going to make money with this -- it's not a charity. And by making the use of aur tempting enough -- providing enough reasons to use it -- they will create a slow drain. The free-to-play model can't be sustained if there's any way to turn ISK into aur or back so CCP must keep something in the mechanics or resources as a reason for you to eventually spend money on the game.
Quidam Brujah DUST University Ivy League 0	Posted - 2013.04.09 06:28:00 - [28] - Quote noob 45 wrote: Currently the voice setup is just stupidly implemented and overly complicated. Considering the learning curve of this game and its complexity in so many aspects, it would be wise to simplify where possible. Are you going to make more money from a small group of players buying the UVT, or is this actually costing you money by turning away potential investors (aurum or boosters)? As a former EVE player, years ago, that was my number one turn-off to EVE. Console games have a different kind of player and a different kind of market. Complex menu systems, anti-social defaults (things that keep you from communicating with your 'buddies', things that keep you from getting together with them) and SP grinding are going to turn people away. I totally agree with you.
Quidam Brujah DUST University Ivy League 0	Posted - 2013.04.09 06:41:00 - [29] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Paran Tadec wrote: Too dumb to turn mic on in settings, too dumb to play Dust. Period. kthxbye. Ok, I know "this is New Eden", but the whole point of this game is to NOT have as massive a barrier to entry as EVE. How did they connect the mic to the PS3 in the first place if they can't even check the menus? What other console games create artificial barriers social interaction? Name another PS3 game that makes you tweak menu settings for what most think are the basic capabilities? As another poster said, if all you want to try to do is capture more money from existing EVE players, good luck thinking that the majority of your EVE players are going to spend even more time on the console. They aren't. You are looking for a different audience. And they have different expectations. Linux market share is about 1%. Why? a lot of that same kind of 'if they are too stooopid to figure it out, we don't need them' attitude. OS X is about 7% and Windows is still the vast majority because they design for the masses and not some niche: they want their product easy to use and they put in the features that their users ask for. If CCP doesn't adopt the features that their console users are asking for, it'll die off before CCP has a chance to recoop their costs. They need a big change in the menuing system and some of the defaults like voice.
BlG MAMA PLAYSTATION4 45	Posted - 2013.04.09 09:39:00 - [30] - Quote Daedric Lothar wrote: BlG MAMA wrote: Dust514 is a money milking machine. You are thinking of EA Dust514 is made by EA?

Godin Thekiller KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 35	Posted - 2013.04.09 09:59:00 - [31] - Quote Okay, one, unless your trying to chat in corp or a channel, you don't need a UVT. Two, the thing costs a dollar, so why is your friends complaining? They completly broke or something? Three, CCP has to make it costs, because their using software from another company to have viop in the game in the first place. Therefore, they made basic combat chat free, and advanced corp and channel chat at a cost. Why you complaining?
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2412	Posted - 2013.04.09 10:29:00 - [32] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Okay, one, unless your trying to chat in corp or a channel, you don't need a UVT. Two, the thing costs a dollar, so why is your friends complaining? They completly broke or something? Three, CCP has to make it costs, because their using software from another company to have viop in the game in the first place. Therefore, they made basic combat chat free, and advanced corp and channel chat at a cost. Why you complaining? Actually, in-battle comms are handled within PSN. They don't put our squad and team chat through the third-party system because that would cost, and would in turn require payment. Corp chat and private channels, by their nature, are built to allow cross-game communication from DUST to EVE (and vice versa), and that requires access to the third-party VOIP client used by EVE Online. That's why we pay, because that money isn't going (entirely) to CCP, it's funding the cost of them actually providing that additional service beyond what's built into PSN.
BlG MAMA PLAYSTATION4 45	Posted - 2013.04.09 10:32:00 - [33] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Okay, one, unless your trying to chat in corp or a channel, you don't need a UVT. Two, the thing costs a dollar, so why is your friends complaining? They completly broke or something? Three, CCP has to make it costs, because their using software from another company to have viop in the game in the first place. Therefore, they made basic combat chat free, and advanced corp and channel chat at a cost. Why you complaining? there is already voice chat for psn and squad so WHY should i pay 1 $ to talk on my corp channel? more money milking thats why
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2413	Posted - 2013.04.09 11:39:00 - [34] - Quote BlG MAMA wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Okay, one, unless your trying to chat in corp or a channel, you don't need a UVT. Two, the thing costs a dollar, so why is your friends complaining? They completly broke or something? Three, CCP has to make it costs, because their using software from another company to have viop in the game in the first place. Therefore, they made basic combat chat free, and advanced corp and channel chat at a cost. Why you complaining? there is already voice chat for psn and squad so WHY should i pay 1 $ to talk on my corp channel? more money milking thats why Read my post above yours. Corp voice is tied into EVE voice, which is run through a third party, while squad and team chat in battle is run directly within PSN.
Daedric Lothar Onslaught Inc 170	Posted - 2013.04.10 12:27:00 - [35] - Quote Bump for description edit fix.


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