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Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc
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Posted - 2013.04.04 17:31:00 -
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Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe wrote: but it's always more exciting than in DUST, where PvP allows you to literally print money. PvP should be an isk sink, not an isk source.
Please no, I play this game to shoot people, not bots. I don't like Missioning in EVE, I don't like mining in EVE. I PLEX all the way, because all the other game mechanics are stupid and boring. BORING.
During the last Fanfest the economy guy gets up with charts and says (Loose Quote) "Oh Hai according to this graph we see most of you say Missioning sucks, but according to this graph most of you do it. So it shows you are willing to do the hard stuff to get to do the fun stuff"
What kind of sick sadistic man just gets up there and admits stuff like that? Sorry CCP, but that should have been fixed long ago and definately not incorporated into Dust.
[EDIT]: Sorry, quoted wrong person in this thread. |
Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1070
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Posted - 2013.04.04 18:52:00 -
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Proof that proto gear is still waaay too cheap |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1951
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Posted - 2013.04.04 18:54:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:Do you really think that we care if we lose 5 suits in a game? Do you really think that your efffort makes us sad in any way?
Know this:
Many, myself included, have hundreds of fittings in stock or 100+ M isk, or both. Many of us go game after game without losing a single suit and the ISK just keeps piling up. Pubstomping has come to a point now where I don't even bother to rack up as many kills as possible, these days its more fun to pick people up, shield them with your body and see the poor bluedots scramble back into the fight.
I don't have a single fitting that cost under 200K isk and I'll gladly get drunk and waste 50 of them like I did last weekend, my KDR went 0.09 in just a couple of hours but I did have lots of fun!
My point:
Stop sending me messages like: "I killed you twice, you lost money you scrub", or not least: "If I had a protosuit I would have destroyed you", like the extra shield regen and extra equipment slot for a medkit makes me a God. So chill....
rofl - so true. Wait till corps actually start paying me for being a ringer and my own corp for CB's. I throw out 10 million this weekened in kamikazes just for lolz. "That guy in proto would never drive his LAV into the red line... .. would.... he? OH CRAP JUMP OUT!" Too late suckers, mwahaha. |
Cat Merc
OPERATIVES OF THE GOAT
372
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Posted - 2013.04.04 19:22:00 -
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Lets see, the highest I saw a person do in proto gear is 900 HP. That's without any damage mods, any kinetic catalyzers, ANYTHING other than health mods.
An Exile AR has 60 bullets in its clip, and does 750RPM (12.5 bullets per second). 60/12.5 = 4.8 You can unload an Exile clip in 4.8 seconds. Now, the damage done by a single bullet is 31.4 without any skills what so ever. 34.1 * 12.5 = 392 DPS.
So it would take 2.5 seconds to take down the tankiest of assaults you can get. I hardly see how it would take two clips in the back and a bunch of locus nades.
Mind you, most people have around 550 HP, because they equip damage mods and don't want to lose speed from armor plates.
So that means less than 1.5 seconds of shooting. Now, include the damage skills, which add 25% bonus... Yeah. |
Necrodermis
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
475
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Posted - 2013.04.04 19:24:00 -
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Rupture Reaperson wrote:This is not XBLA dammit..
but it is a console. so you it's pretty much the same tards. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
1031
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Posted - 2013.04.04 19:25:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:KingBabar wrote:Do you really think that we care if we lose 5 suits in a game? Do you really think that your efffort makes us sad in any way?
Know this:
Many, myself included, have hundreds of fittings in stock or 100+ M isk, or both. Many of us go game after game without losing a single suit and the ISK just keeps piling up. Pubstomping has come to a point now where I don't even bother to rack up as many kills as possible, these days its more fun to pick people up, shield them with your body and see the poor bluedots scramble back into the fight.
I don't have a single fitting that cost under 200K isk and I'll gladly get drunk and waste 50 of them like I did last weekend, my KDR went 0.09 in just a couple of hours but I did have lots of fun!
My point:
Stop sending me messages like: "I killed you twice, you lost money you scrub", or not least: "If I had a protosuit I would have destroyed you", like the extra shield regen and extra equipment slot for a medkit makes me a God. So chill....
rofl - so true. Wait till corps actually start paying me for being a ringer and my own corp for CB's. I throw out 10 million this weekened in kamikazes just for lolz. "That guy in proto would never drive his LAV into the red line... .. would.... he? OH CRAP JUMP OUT!" Too late suckers, mwahaha. LOL your such a troll sota |
Coleman Gray
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
164
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Posted - 2013.04.04 19:29:00 -
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It's because you all stand out, "which do we shoot!?" "THE ONE WHO STANDS OUT!"...."Well I see alot of white..oh! BLACK GUY!" seriously this game creates racism |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1951
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Posted - 2013.04.04 19:31:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Lets see, the highest I saw a person do in proto gear is 900 HP. That's without any damage mods, any kinetic catalyzers, ANYTHING other than health mods.
An Exile AR has 60 bullets in its clip, and does 750RPM (12.5 bullets per second). 60/12.5 = 4.8 You can unload an Exile clip in 4.8 seconds. Now, the damage done by a single bullet is 31.4 without any skills what so ever. 34.1 * 12.5 = 392 DPS.
So it would take 2.2 seconds to take down the tankiest of assaults you can get. I hardly see how it would take two clips in the back and a bunch of locus nades.
Mind you, most people have around 550 HP, because they equip damage mods and don't want to lose speed from armor plates.
So that means less than 1.5 seconds of shooting. Now, include the damage skills, which add 25% bonus... (Which comes to a total of 490 DPS) Yeah.
It is an advantage, but Proto suits aren't the source of the power those players have. Its only a slight aid. quick edit - I'm nearly 1100 HP. |
Bones McCrackin
TacoCat Industries
4
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Posted - 2013.04.04 19:32:00 -
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Well protogear isnt expensive when you are pubstomping sure. Cause what, youll lose, 1 maybe 2 suits a game? If things are really harry, switch out to cheap stuff.
But with PC, thats where the Proto sink will come in. When the result of winning/losing really matters, and you have coordinated teams fighting each with supplies of proto gear, they will quickly deplete each others stash. You lose 2 proto suits, well unless you want to give up, you better bust out the third, cause the other team is.
Point is, when EVERYONE is running proto gear when they have a chance to, because winning matters, thats when youll see proto gear getting destroyed and people losing their supplies.
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Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc
95
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Posted - 2013.04.04 19:35:00 -
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Coleman Gray wrote:It's because you all stand out, "which do we shoot!?" "THE ONE WHO STANDS OUT!"...."Well I see alot of white..oh! BLACK GUY!" seriously this game creates racism
lol |
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Alina Heart
DIOS EX.
36
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Posted - 2013.04.04 19:39:00 -
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Why is no one asking OP how he managed to get 100+ Million ISK running all protogear?
I unlocked my Protosuit about a month ago and like him it costs 200k+ each suit. Just from buying 100 Vk.0's and 100 Vk.1's I went from 25million ISK to 4Million. I'm now at 10 million ISK and I barely even use my Proto's? I'm never getting more than 5 deaths a game either... |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1951
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Posted - 2013.04.04 19:42:00 -
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Alina Heart wrote:Why is no one asking OP how he managed to get 100+ Million ISK running all protogear? Because a lot of people do. If a family didn't jack me out of 13 mil a week ago I'd be at 50 million right now and I never run stuff under STD for losing games - suits that cost me over 200,000 ISK a death lol |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
1031
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Posted - 2013.04.04 19:42:00 -
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Alina Heart wrote:Why is no one asking OP how he managed to get 100+ Million ISK running all protogear? I imagine he built up the majority of that running dtandard and advanced gear before switching to proto |
Alina Heart
DIOS EX.
36
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Posted - 2013.04.04 19:46:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:Alina Heart wrote:Why is no one asking OP how he managed to get 100+ Million ISK running all protogear? Because a lot of people do. If a family didn't jack me out of 13 mil a week ago I'd be at 50 million right now and I never run stuff under STD for losing games - suits that cost me over 200,000 ISK a death lol
Must be my problem, even when my team is getting steamrolled and I'm getting death after death, I never switch to a free/cheap fit.
How much ISK does farming in the MCC net you? I'm not planning on doing it, just curious. |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1951
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Posted - 2013.04.04 19:49:00 -
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Alina Heart wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:Alina Heart wrote:Why is no one asking OP how he managed to get 100+ Million ISK running all protogear? Because a lot of people do. If a family didn't jack me out of 13 mil a week ago I'd be at 50 million right now and I never run stuff under STD for losing games - suits that cost me over 200,000 ISK a death lol Must be my problem, even when my team is getting steamrolled and I'm getting death after death, I never switch to a free/cheap fit. How much ISK does farming in the MCC net you? I'm not planning on doing it, just curious. Wouldn't know. The only tme I afk farm is real life emergencies mid game, but from what I gather it's 200,000 ISK |
Deluxe Edition
TeamPlayers
84
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Posted - 2013.04.04 19:54:00 -
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I only run absolutly free suites in public games for the last month or so. I still am able to keep a 5kd and it makes the game a more of a challenge. I can certainly see how you can beat up on people just starting the game and make a profit, however it makes the profit margin very thin if you get too aggressive and get spawned on top of and die, or you pay good people who can kill you. I save my isk for the matches that matter, and for helping to support my corporation when we have to upgrade our districts and to buy more clones.
Also a lot of the people who run constant protos won a tremendous amount of isk in those closed beta corp tournaments and I am willing to bet that is why you see so many Imperfects and Seraphim Proto suites in public games.
I don't hate on people who wear protos, I like that they increase my isk payout in the end and makes the game incredibly enjoyable when I kill a proto suit with a completely blueprint suit. I do however dissaprove of proto pub stompers because it will hurt the growth of the game as new players will quit after coming up against suits that they have no hope of winning against. |
ZiwZih
The Tritan Industries
103
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Posted - 2013.04.04 20:06:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:(...) like the extra shield regen and extra equipment slot for a medkit makes me a God. So chill....
Right, it is the art of cooking that does. |
KingBabar
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
515
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Posted - 2013.04.04 20:13:00 -
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Dr Debo Galaxy wrote:What I don't understand is if the protosuit doesn't make you good then why run it? If people are so good that they don't need the protosuit why don't they just run militia gear? IT's like saying the difference between a lamborgini and a mustang are not the big a difference . the reason I won the race was my driving skills. No you have slightly better gear too.
I have a feeling in about 32 days there are going to be all black suits.
I run for the slight advantage, my performance with a B-series suit is almost identical. The most important part is the extra equipment slot, which makes me able to restock ammo and use a medkit.
- I don't have any tourney money to run on. - Most days I make a profit regardless. - Get your friends to equip a medkit and you only lose about half the suits you die in.
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KingBabar
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
515
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Posted - 2013.04.04 20:22:00 -
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ZiwZih wrote:KingBabar wrote:(...) like the extra shield regen and extra equipment slot for a medkit makes me a God. So chill....
Right, it is the art of cooking that does.
+1 And mega LOL And it sure as hell ain't my AR aim.... |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
139
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Posted - 2013.04.04 20:25:00 -
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when we have officer level suits and die in them then will start to feel bad about it im sure ;) |
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Cat Merc
OPERATIVES OF THE GOAT
374
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Posted - 2013.04.04 20:26:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Lets see, the highest I saw a person do in proto gear is 900 HP. That's without any damage mods, any kinetic catalyzers, ANYTHING other than health mods.
An Exile AR has 60 bullets in its clip, and does 750RPM (12.5 bullets per second). 60/12.5 = 4.8 You can unload an Exile clip in 4.8 seconds. Now, the damage done by a single bullet is 31.4 without any skills what so ever. 34.1 * 12.5 = 392 DPS.
So it would take 2.2 seconds to take down the tankiest of assaults you can get. I hardly see how it would take two clips in the back and a bunch of locus nades.
Mind you, most people have around 550 HP, because they equip damage mods and don't want to lose speed from armor plates.
So that means less than 1.5 seconds of shooting. Now, include the damage skills, which add 25% bonus... (Which comes to a total of 490 DPS) Yeah.
It is an advantage, but Proto suits aren't the source of the power those players have. Its only a slight aid. quick edit - I'm nearly 1100 HP. Are you sure you're not a heavy in denial? |
Red Dot 24601-HA
S.e.V.e.N.
58
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Posted - 2013.04.04 20:47:00 -
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I personally enjoy running them over with my free LAV...
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Bones McCrackin
TacoCat Industries
4
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Posted - 2013.04.04 21:14:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Lets see, the highest I saw a person do in proto gear is 900 HP. That's without any damage mods, any kinetic catalyzers, ANYTHING other than health mods.
An Exile AR has 60 bullets in its clip, and does 750RPM (12.5 bullets per second). 60/12.5 = 4.8 You can unload an Exile clip in 4.8 seconds. Now, the damage done by a single bullet is 31.4 without any skills what so ever. 34.1 * 12.5 = 392 DPS.
So it would take 2.2 seconds to take down the tankiest of assaults you can get. I hardly see how it would take two clips in the back and a bunch of locus nades.
Mind you, most people have around 550 HP, because they equip damage mods and don't want to lose speed from armor plates.
So that means less than 1.5 seconds of shooting. Now, include the damage skills, which add 25% bonus... (Which comes to a total of 490 DPS) Yeah.
It is an advantage, but Proto suits aren't the source of the power those players have. Its only a slight aid.
Your confusing multiple points in my post. In a scenario where I had to unload multiple clips, its in a heat of a battle, with a dude moving around. Maybe you are a god, but I miss quite a bit of SMG fire when a dude is dodging, not every bullet lands, by far. The point there was just "how did he not kill me in this situation?"
The other, multiple nades/clip and not dead thing did occur on a stationary target who I had the drop on. Their armor was repping INSANELY fast. I could only assume they had some proto reps and was standing on the rep nanohive (they were def on a nano, not sure what type).
I also likely started firing from out of the SMG optimal range as I closed in on them.
In that specific case, it was ridiculous, but im pretty sure thats due to the nano rep.
But my specific ancedotes aside, proto gear is a major help. Player skill still matters, but you put two equal players, one in proto, one in standard, and have them fight? Proto gear would probably win every single time without much of a fuss.
Also, keep in mind its not just gear, its a lot of other skills increasing various stats. I'm not complaining, i LOVE this aspect of the game, if I didn't I wouldnt be playing it. Its what sets DUST apart. But if you dont understand why someone gets a sense of pride in taking out someone who had a pretty decent advantage, I don't know what to tell you.
Plus, I don't have control over all the matches folks in proto play. I just have control over the one we played. And if I can cause them to lose ISK in that one match, I've done good. Can't worry about everything else. |
Matticus Monk
Ordus Trismegistus
14
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Posted - 2013.04.04 21:21:00 -
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Dr Debo Galaxy wrote:What I don't understand is if the protosuit doesn't make you good then why run it? If people are so good that they don't need the protosuit why don't they just run militia gear? IT's like saying the difference between a lamborgini and a mustang are not the big a difference . the reason I won the race was my driving skills. No you have slightly better gear too.
I have a feeling in about 32 days there are going to be all black suits.
Proto suits are an advantage, sure, and to most worth the price to run.
I'm not sure many would say they 'make' you good, though..... Two advantages (high character SP + protosuit/gear) increase your odds for stomping, they don't make you good. Being 'good' is either about innate skill or practice, practice, practice....
That being said if you are average and in proto gear this advantage may be enough to offset someone who is 'good' in militia gear. It's all about the total picture.
I'm sure Michael Andretti in a mustang could school me around a technical track even if I'm in a lamborghini (it would need to be an old lamborghini though....).
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
2382
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Posted - 2013.04.04 22:58:00 -
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Firstly, the less-interesting part of my post, but the bit where I'm actually on-topic.
Prototype gear. I love murdering people with Protogear. I don't rant about how awesome it was to kill them, and I don't mail them to say "haha you lost money" because that would be silly. But when I'm running Militia gear, I know I'm going to make a profit no matter how badly I screw up. When I'm running cheap gear, and I can kill a Proto player, that increases my profit margins further. Feels good to see an expensive tank (or just a Dropsuit) go down, and know that I'm hitting 400k in pure profit for that battle.
And now, less relevant, but more entertaining, time to indulge my grammar kitten side with a combined English and Mathematics lesson. How awesome is that?
DUST Fiend wrote:KD/R K/D = kills divided by deaths. K:D = Kills to deaths.
Both of these are mathematically valid methods of displaying a ratio, and can therefore be read as "kill:death ratio" or "kill/death ratio".
KDR = Kill Death Ratio.
This means the same as K:D, K/D, Kill:Death Ratio or Kill/Death Ratio.
KD/R is an algebraic equation for "Kills times deaths divided by R" - in this equation, R is an undefined variable, and i can't think of any reasonable stat to substitute into the place of R that would result in this calculation having any useful meaning for anyone.
At least when you write K/Dr or K/DR I can wonder how you're identifying which players you kill have completed their doctorates |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1952
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Posted - 2013.04.04 23:02:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Lets see, the highest I saw a person do in proto gear is 900 HP. That's without any damage mods, any kinetic catalyzers, ANYTHING other than health mods.
An Exile AR has 60 bullets in its clip, and does 750RPM (12.5 bullets per second). 60/12.5 = 4.8 You can unload an Exile clip in 4.8 seconds. Now, the damage done by a single bullet is 31.4 without any skills what so ever. 34.1 * 12.5 = 392 DPS.
So it would take 2.2 seconds to take down the tankiest of assaults you can get. I hardly see how it would take two clips in the back and a bunch of locus nades.
Mind you, most people have around 550 HP, because they equip damage mods and don't want to lose speed from armor plates.
So that means less than 1.5 seconds of shooting. Now, include the damage skills, which add 25% bonus... (Which comes to a total of 490 DPS) Yeah.
It is an advantage, but Proto suits aren't the source of the power those players have. Its only a slight aid. quick edit - I'm nearly 1100 HP. Are you sure you're not a heavy in denial? Oh you were speaking of assault suits? Who cares about assault players - scrubs all of em. Runnin' around jumpin like frogs'. :P
Real men wear heavy suits. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
2384
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Posted - 2013.04.05 00:41:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:Alina Heart wrote:How much ISK does farming in the MCC net you? I'm not planning on doing it, just curious. Wouldn't know. The only tme I afk farm is real life emergencies mid game, but from what I gather it's 200,000 ISK Based on the results of a hilarious match where I spent the whole time riding as a gunner in a badly-piloted Viper (that somehow managed to not die), I can safely say that a 0/0 0WP game will potentially earn as little as 150k. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
1039
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Posted - 2013.04.05 02:21:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:Cat Merc wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Lets see, the highest I saw a person do in proto gear is 900 HP. That's without any damage mods, any kinetic catalyzers, ANYTHING other than health mods.
An Exile AR has 60 bullets in its clip, and does 750RPM (12.5 bullets per second). 60/12.5 = 4.8 You can unload an Exile clip in 4.8 seconds. Now, the damage done by a single bullet is 31.4 without any skills what so ever. 34.1 * 12.5 = 392 DPS.
So it would take 2.2 seconds to take down the tankiest of assaults you can get. I hardly see how it would take two clips in the back and a bunch of locus nades.
Mind you, most people have around 550 HP, because they equip damage mods and don't want to lose speed from armor plates.
So that means less than 1.5 seconds of shooting. Now, include the damage skills, which add 25% bonus... (Which comes to a total of 490 DPS) Yeah.
It is an advantage, but Proto suits aren't the source of the power those players have. Its only a slight aid. quick edit - I'm nearly 1100 HP. Are you sure you're not a heavy in denial? Oh you were speaking of assault suits? Who cares about assault players - scrubs all of em. Runnin' around jumpin like frogs'. :P Real men wear heavy suits. Heavies would be reduced to clubbing each other with their weapons if it wasn't for us logi's, plus you guys are ridiculously slow. |
Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders Red Rock Consortium
465
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Posted - 2013.04.05 02:47:00 -
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Winscar Shinobi wrote:Well this is more a flaw on CCPs part. You should never be able to run full proto 24/7 in public games. The point of the proto gear was for it to be used in corp battles and sparingly at that.
Where is it written that proto gear should only be used sparingly and in corp battles only? Am I allowed to use advanced gear all the time or is that against the rules too?
There are no such rules or even intentions. The only limitations are your skills and your wallet.
Try and collect tears by killing expensive fits all you want but we don't need people making up their own rules. |
Rei Shepard
Spectre II
121
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Posted - 2013.04.05 04:35:00 -
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Well i run proto 24/7 and you might not care but kill 13ear 4 times in a match and he will be mailing you about how unfair it was you used cover and killed his entire squad, instead of standing there and dying for their sake, well actually its 6-7 mails all QQ but my guess is he cares..
When the opposing team looses 20+ proto's, they care .... |
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