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KingBabar
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.04.04 13:49:00 -
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Do you really think that we care if we lose 5 suits in a game? Do you really think that your efffort makes us sad in any way?
Know this:
Many, myself included, have hundreds of fittings in stock or 100+ M isk, or both. Many of us go game after game without losing a single suit and the ISK just keeps piling up. Pubstomping has come to a point now where I don't even bother to rack up as many kills as possible, these days its more fun to pick people up, shield them with your body and see the poor bluedots scramble back into the fight.
I don't have a single fitting that cost under 200K isk and I'll gladly get drunk and waste 50 of them like I did last weekend, my KDR went 0.09 in just a couple of hours but I did have lots of fun!
My point:
Stop sending me messages like: "I killed you twice, you lost money you scrub", or not least: "If I had a protosuit I would have destroyed you", like the extra shield regen and extra equipment slot for a medkit makes me a God. So chill....
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Zekain Kade
BetaMax. CRONOS.
1148
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Posted - 2013.04.04 13:53:00 -
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Them thinking they cost you a fortune in suits is the only way they can justify their loss against you. Its the only way they can feel good about them selves. |
Rupture Reaperson
Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION
77
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Posted - 2013.04.04 13:56:00 -
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However protobears do share some wealth by increasing your paychecks, but on that note, its not mailworthy... really. You should feel badm like making the spaghetti monster cry, bad. This is not XBLA dammit.
Besides everyone can run proto, if they invest in it, whatever you do with it its what really matters. |
bethany valvetino
Dead Six Initiative Daringly Inserting Large Dangerous Objects
33
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Posted - 2013.04.04 13:57:00 -
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Zekain Kade wrote:Them thinking they cost you a fortune in suits is the only way they can justify their loss against you. Its the only way they can feel good about them selves.
I'm betting most don't even care.
Though I do wonder why you get hate mail and I (who also runs proto suits) get none...
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Beld Errmon
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
557
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Posted - 2013.04.04 14:03:00 -
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Knowing you just nailed a lot of isk with a free suit is a rather pleasurable experience, sending mails about it though just screams that you are butthurt the protojock killed you 10 times before you managed to do it.
Head hunting is far more fun, going after people you know are awesome players or loud mouths on the forums for example, still not worth mail, I save my mails for S**t stiring sagaris pilots.
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Takahiro Kashuken
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
184
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Posted - 2013.04.04 14:07:00 -
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This read like a rage fulled QQ post |
ChromeBreaker
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
347
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Posted - 2013.04.04 14:20:00 -
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My forge gun doesn't have that many shots... gotta make them count lol |
Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc
87
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Posted - 2013.04.04 14:20:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:This read like a rage fulled QQ post
Thats the feeling I got too. I also got the self stroking feeling also.
I'm glad you have so much money you can just throw away and not care. Good Job!
However, I still aim for Black Suits first. |
Bones McCrackin
TacoCat Industries
0
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Posted - 2013.04.04 14:44:00 -
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The worst part is that the people who run proto suits and then act like it DOESNT give them an advantage.
I can hit certain assault builds with multiple locus nades and unload an entire SMG in their back and they dont die. If they have ANY skill at all, they will destroy me 1 on1. Are they immortal gods? No. If I beat one 1v1 with militia/standard gear, should they feel bad? Yes.
I usually avoid picking 1on1 fights with people I know are running some higher fits with higher skills (stats, not player skill) so its not usually an issue of "oh man the only reason he beat me was cause of his gear!" But it is 'LOL how did he lose? I had to empty two clips into him and he couldnt hit me!"
Then there are guys who have player skill and gear/skills, and those guys I just have to avoid until I get similar stuff. But the gear/skills in this game do make a difference, especially in smaller 1on1 2on2 type fights. Is it broken? No, its a fun mechanic. Sometimes it feels like 'boss fights.'
But to act like your gear and skills ARENT helping you win/get good stats is just silly. |
Sentient Archon
Red Star.
911
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Posted - 2013.04.04 15:06:00 -
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KingBabar
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
506
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Posted - 2013.04.04 15:15:00 -
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Bones McCrackin wrote:The worst part is that the people who run proto suits and then act like it DOESNT give them an advantage.
I can hit certain assault builds with multiple locus nades and unload an entire SMG in their back and they dont die. If they have ANY skill at all, they will destroy me 1 on1. Are they immortal gods? No. If I beat one 1v1 with militia/standard gear, should they feel bad? Yes.
I usually avoid picking 1on1 fights with people I know are running some higher fits with higher skills (stats, not player skill) so its not usually an issue of "oh man the only reason he beat me was cause of his gear!" But it is 'LOL how did he lose? I had to empty two clips into him and he couldnt hit me!"
Then there are guys who have player skill and gear/skills, and those guys I just have to avoid until I get similar stuff. But the gear/skills in this game do make a difference, especially in smaller 1on1 2on2 type fights. Is it broken? No, its a fun mechanic. Sometimes it feels like 'boss fights.'
But to act like your gear and skills ARENT helping you win/get good stats is just silly.
I'm not saying it doesn't affect my gameplay, I'm merely stating that the difference for me between a 100K B-series fit and a 200K+ protofit is slightly faster shields and a medkit. These "bonuses" over a B-series suit hardly help 1 vs 1 no? (If it drags on the faster shield will help me if we go in and out of cover at some distance, though I'd mostly blame the other dude for going out of cover too soon.)
The step from advanced to Proto is not big enough to qualify for "you had the black suit, you should win every single encounter against anyone without a black suit". Many acts as though running in protogear is the only thing you need to succeed in this game...
The main reason for me using a protosuit is the medkit, if the B-series had 2 equipment slots I wouldn't bother to spec into the protosuit for quite some time... |
DUST Fiend
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
2306
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Posted - 2013.04.04 15:42:00 -
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I personally enjoyed the part where no one cared. |
Galdor Seregon
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.04.04 15:46:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:I personally enjoyed the part where no one cared.
And 0 kittens were given that day |
Soldier of Mawat
Amat Al'Mawat Militia
27
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Posted - 2013.04.04 15:48:00 -
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That protobear killed me solely based on his skill at the game! said no dust newberry ever |
Sergamon Draco
Darkstar Mercs
8
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Posted - 2013.04.04 16:02:00 -
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But its fun feeling to kill proto with noob gear |
Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
227
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Posted - 2013.04.04 16:17:00 -
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This reflects one of the fundamental extant flaws in DUST that separates it from PvP in EVE. My fellow capsuleers know the feeling of seeing a name on your overview flash red. That increase in heart rate, because now, suddenly, your ship is on the line, and dammit you may have spent hours earning the isk to buy and fit that ship.
In DUST...meh. Dying has no significance. Oh, look, another lost clone and a few thousand isk (most expensive dropsuits are in the 500k area, right?) that I'm going to earn back at the end of this fight. In the case of the most absolutely expensive losses you're looking at earning back the isk by doing ten more matches of exactly what you're doing already.
In short, there is no sense of danger to PvP right now. I really hope that changes some day. |
Chojine Dentetsu
Academy Inferno
5
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Posted - 2013.04.04 16:19:00 -
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I've never understood prototype hate.
Everyone should be aiming for that level of equipment / skills, so hating people for using it is tantamount to jealousy.
I always run in full prototype gear and as a scout can have good matches and...err...not so good matches ha ha :)!
Although I do think trolling somebody for using the gear that their skill level allows them to is somewhat backwards.
If you cannot use prototype, get more SP, if you cannot fund prototype with ISK / AUR, then get better at the game.
Sorry, biased transmission over.
(Although I can imagine some players frustration, went into a match with a Thale set up, and got 30 enemy kills by the time they decided to waste an OB on poor little me :D I lol'd irl). |
Knarf Black
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
547
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Posted - 2013.04.04 16:33:00 -
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Only tankers seem to really care about losing their ISK investments. Protobears drop onto the field knowing full well that they could easily lose their suit to a couple Militia AR headshots. |
DUST Fiend
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
2306
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Posted - 2013.04.04 16:35:00 -
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Chojine Dentetsu wrote:(Although I can imagine some players frustration, went into a match with a Thale set up, and got 30 enemy kills by the time they decided to waste an OB on poor little me :D I lol'd irl).
Yea, but that's sniping; no one likes snipers. Especially not since lately, you can't kill snipers who are perched up too high, because they become impervious to counter sniping (aka, you shoot them in the head, their shields flare up, and no damage is done)
9/10 times snipers are useless for anything other than stroking their own KD/R |
XeroTheBigBoss
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
110
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Posted - 2013.04.04 16:36:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:Do you really think that we care if we lose 5 suits in a game? Do you really think that your efffort makes us sad in any way?
Know this:
Many, myself included, have hundreds of fittings in stock or 100+ M isk, or both. Many of us go game after game without losing a single suit and the ISK just keeps piling up. Pubstomping has come to a point now where I don't even bother to rack up as many kills as possible, these days its more fun to pick people up, shield them with your body and see the poor bluedots scramble back into the fight.
I don't have a single fitting that cost under 200K isk and I'll gladly get drunk and waste 50 of them like I did last weekend, my KDR went 0.09 in just a couple of hours but I did have lots of fun!
My point:
Stop sending me messages like: "I killed you twice, you lost money you scrub", or not least: "If I had a protosuit I would have destroyed you", like the extra shield regen and extra equipment slot for a medkit makes me a God. So chill....
I don't really care if I die 5 times or so in Proto I got more than enough. I keep my ScoutA VK1 and VK0 stocked at 100 at all times. |
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Winscar Shinobi
Better Hide R Die
145
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Posted - 2013.04.04 16:44:00 -
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Well this is more a flaw on CCPs part. You should never be able to run full proto 24/7 in public games. The point of the proto gear was for it to be used in corp battles and sparingly at that.
Like Alan said above there is no "oh god I died and lost my good stuff" feel like in eve. It's just "meh I got a few hundred who cares?"
That being said right now without PC in place your main focus should be making tons of isk with minimal losses to your own. If you feel that you need a proto suit to do it so be it. |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
453
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Posted - 2013.04.04 16:53:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:Do you really think that we care if we lose 5 suits in a game? Do you really think that your efffort makes us sad in any way?
Know this:
Many, myself included, have hundreds of fittings in stock or 100+ M isk, or both. Many of us go game after game without losing a single suit and the ISK just keeps piling up. Pubstomping has come to a point now where I don't even bother to rack up as many kills as possible, these days its more fun to pick people up, shield them with your body and see the poor bluedots scramble back into the fight.
I don't have a single fitting that cost under 200K isk and I'll gladly get drunk and waste 50 of them like I did last weekend, my KDR went 0.09 in just a couple of hours but I did have lots of fun!
My point:
Stop sending me messages like: "I killed you twice, you lost money you scrub", or not least: "If I had a protosuit I would have destroyed you", like the extra shield regen and extra equipment slot for a medkit makes me a God. So chill....
Yawn. Proto suits equals who cares??
Now if it were like day before yesterday where an enemy calls in a Surya and I get to kill them and hack it to then leave the tank in the red line to blow up.
Then I send an email saying was that your tank I stole?? Then I get a response hatemail telling me that I cost them over 2M ISK.
I love being called a "tank stealing bashterdz" LOL!!!
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Solarisjock
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2013.04.04 16:55:00 -
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anyone in EVE PVP who has been doing it for a while, will generally feel the same way as most dust players feel about proto suits. it only gets painful when running faction gear or the really big ships. losing a 150m-200m battleship is unfortunate, but by no means painful to the veteran EVE combat pilot. the loss rate between Dust and EVE is a large gap as well. I have lost 750m isk in 20 hours of EVE. it really isnt possible to do that in Dust.
as for running proto 24/7? i bet that will change once the market opens up, people who make the proto suits will need to charge a premium and up the price. Course, we might also see advance stuff really jump up in price as it is close to as good as proto, but easier to skill into |
Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc
90
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Posted - 2013.04.04 17:00:00 -
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Solarisjock wrote: as for running proto 24/7? i bet that will change once the market opens up, people who make the proto suits will need to charge a premium and up the price. Course, we might also see advance stuff really jump up in price as it is close to as good as proto, but easier to skill into
Lets not assume, price is set by the market. Since Dust is the next big thing the market will flood with new stuff. It all depends on how much the materials cost. One person may charge a premium, but it does then no good if the next person comes in adn undercuts them 20% while still making a 10% profit. Also given how fast these suits can turn around, moving product won't be a problem. |
Chojine Dentetsu
Academy Inferno
5
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Posted - 2013.04.04 17:01:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Chojine Dentetsu wrote:(Although I can imagine some players frustration, went into a match with a Thale set up, and got 30 enemy kills by the time they decided to waste an OB on poor little me :D I lol'd irl). Yea, but that's sniping; no one likes snipers. Especially not since lately, you can't kill snipers who are perched up too high, because they become impervious to counter sniping (aka, you shoot them in the head, their shields flare up, and no damage is done) 9/10 times snipers are useless for anything other than stroking their own KD/R
I hate the blue shields -.-, and am against exploiting the game mechanics :).
Snipers can be very useful, they can keep an entire map quarter vacant of enemies because they don't know where they're getting OHK'd from.
Too many snipers...that is when it is a problem, you only really need one good sniper per team.
Just to reiterate, I quite often expend my Thale ammo, then switch to SMG and run in, although if it gets a bit hairy I'll go to supply depot and switch that gear asap lol.
I'm not bothered about hoarding officer gear, lost 15 Thales in 24 hours the other day lol, getting too gung ho with my SMG :P *face palm*! |
Dr Debo Galaxy
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
292
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Posted - 2013.04.04 17:05:00 -
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What I don't understand is if the protosuit doesn't make you good then why run it? If people are so good that they don't need the protosuit why don't they just run militia gear? IT's like saying the difference between a lamborgini and a mustang are not the big a difference . the reason I won the race was my driving skills. No you have slightly better gear too.
I have a feeling in about 32 days there are going to be all black suits. |
Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc
90
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Posted - 2013.04.04 17:06:00 -
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Chojine Dentetsu wrote: Too many snipers...that is when it is a problem, you only really need one good sniper per team.
Not necessarily, to many bad snipers is definately a problem. I've seen full sniper teams do really well, where most the team played sniper with a couple really good base runners, mostly in tanks.
That is one thing I love about Dust, its the coordination over everything else. |
Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
229
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Posted - 2013.04.04 17:09:00 -
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Solarisjock wrote:anyone in EVE PVP who has been doing it for a while, will generally feel the same way as most dust players feel about proto suits. it only gets painful when running faction gear or the really big ships. losing a 150m-200m battleship is unfortunate, but by no means painful to the veteran EVE combat pilot. the loss rate between Dust and EVE is a large gap as well. I have lost 750m isk in 20 hours of EVE. it really isnt possible to do that in Dust.
as for running proto 24/7? i bet that will change once the market opens up, people who make the proto suits will need to charge a premium and up the price. Course, we might also see advance stuff really jump up in price as it is close to as good as proto, but easier to skill into And I've lost Tengus to gate camps. 700m isk lost in twenty minutes because I couldn't be arsed to get someone to scout for me.Sure, losing a ship doesn't get me quite as excited as it did back when I thought a T1 fit Vexor was expensive, but it's always more exciting than in DUST, where PvP allows you to literally print money. PvP should be an isk sink, not an isk source. |
Chojine Dentetsu
Academy Inferno
5
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Posted - 2013.04.04 17:17:00 -
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Daedric Lothar wrote:Chojine Dentetsu wrote: Too many snipers...that is when it is a problem, you only really need one good sniper per team. Not necessarily, to many bad snipers is definately a problem. I've seen full sniper teams do really well, where most the team played sniper with a couple really good base runners, mostly in tanks. That is one thing I love about Dust, its the coordination over everything else.
I see your point, I rescind my comment :). |
Solarisjock
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2013.04.04 17:21:00 -
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Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe wrote: And I've lost Tengus to gate camps. 700m isk lost in twenty minutes because I couldn't be arsed to get someone to scout for me.Sure, losing a ship doesn't get me quite as excited as it did back when I thought a T1 fit Vexor was expensive, but it's always more exciting than in DUST, where PvP allows you to literally print money. PvP should be an isk sink, not an isk source.
I agree, but until they put in an Isk source, PvP has to generate isk for people. once they put in a PvE isk generator of some sort i dont see the rewards/costs of the PvP side being adjusted
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