A Myron destroyed my tank with 20GJ ion cannons in roughly 7 seconds. It's a gunnlogi with 6k shields and I even used my shield hardener+booster. Maybe he had invested in many skills with damage mods? All I know is that is still unacceptable, and that 20GJ proto blaster turrents should certainly not do that kind of damage to a well fitted HAV. He was hovering in a position that couldn't shoot/aim. Those are for infantry. Not Heavy Vehicles. Now I understand dropships should not be so easily taken down by tanks, but not the other way around either.

You got outgamed, brah.

You probably missed the guys with the forge guns sitting behind you.

Imagine a logistics LAV tanked to be like a Sica only it moves three times faster, and has a full AV squad in it with a proto rail gun on the back. That is AV on wheels man.

A Myron destroyed my tank with 20GJ ion cannons in roughly 7 seconds. It's a gunnlogi with 6k shields and I even used my shield hardener+booster. Maybe he had invested in many skills with damage mods? All I know is that is still unacceptable, and that 20GJ proto blaster turrents should certainly not do that kind of damage to a well fitted HAV. He was hovering in a position that couldn't shoot/aim. Those are for infantry. Not Heavy Vehicles. Now I understand dropships should not be so easily taken down by tanks, but not the other way around either.

You got outgamed, brah.

This.

Also, may I ask ask where was your logi/anti-tank support when you were getting owned?

Its funny isn't it? trust me man, things like this are going to start happening more and more often. Dropships can mess tanks up if there isn't [any] Anti-air going on. Lav's can do it too though its a bit more difficult. Imagine a logistics LAV tanked to be like a Sica only it moves three times faster, and has a full AV squad in it with a proto rail gun on the back. That is AV on wheels man.

If these numbers are right a single proto small blaster turret puts out 602 DPS. That's pretty much exactly enough to take down a 9k eHP Gunnlogi in seven seconds.

If these numbers are right a single proto small blaster turret puts out 602 DPS. That's pretty much exactly enough to take down a 9k eHP Gunnlogi in seven seconds.

I must be missing something important. Isn't the formula just a simple DPSxtime=damage output? Wouldn't that be 602x7=4214? That's not even half of 9000.

I must be missing something important. Isn't the formula just a simple DPSxtime=damage output? Wouldn't that be 602x7=4214? That's not even half of 9000.

602 x 7 x 2, but it's more than that because the pilot has a minimum damage bonus of 21% in order to buy the proto blaster.

It's easy to laugh at a pilot who spends time training Small Missile Turrets to 5. Then his crew start three shooting Turret Installations and things get a little scary. Can only imagine how that translates with Small Blasters, Eve-style.

They called me crazy when I skilled into armour dropships with blaster turrets.
BUT WHO'S LAUGHING NOW JOE! WHO'S LAUGHING NOW

A Myron destroyed my tank with 20GJ ion cannons in roughly 7 seconds. It's a gunnlogi with 6k shields and I even used my shield hardener+booster. Maybe he had invested in many skills with damage mods? All I know is that is still unacceptable, and that 20GJ proto blaster turrents should certainly not do that kind of damage to a well fitted HAV. He was hovering in a position that couldn't shoot/aim. Those are for infantry. Not Heavy Vehicles. Now I understand dropships should not be so easily taken down by tanks, but not the other way around either.

WTF IS A "TURRENT"? WTH

that forge gun that's pelting you from 300 meters away.


Oh, and those three vollys of milita swarms.


And maybe that sniper tank that's hiding in the redline.

Breaking news, seeing AV LAVs winning against HAVs.

No dropship can hover in a single spot with any AV firing at it, at all.

Swarms will knock it into a wall/ground death collision and if nothing else, displace it's position over the tank to where that heavy turret will obliterate the ds

even a militia forge gun will either single handedly kill any max fitted DS, while also knocking it around like a swarm.

No dropship can hover in a single spot with any AV firing at it, at all.
Swarms will knock it into a wall/ground death collision and if nothing else, displace it's position over the tank to where that heavy turret will obliterate the ds.

well not always, but i'll grant that often we get hit when hovering. However I can take about 5 MIL swarm hits and a MIL forge before having to bug out in a DS with 804 shields and 2194 armour (running 2x armour hardeners, 2x armour reppers, 1 x shield repper and 1x shield hardener) Less for better gear but still I can tank enough to hover long enough to tank wipe.

God... Nobody understands how to tank a vehicle. You do NOT go half and half. You go all one or all the other. Why? When you're into armor, that shield booster and hardener are absolutely useless. When you're still in shields, those armor hardeners and repper aren't doing a thing. You're wasting module slots. I'm assuming you're using a Gallente DS, so armor tank the thing and throw yourself an AB, CRU, active heat sink, anything because you'll get a lot more mileage out of them than that measly shield.

If you're shield tanked, throw some PDU's in the lows as they'll give you not only extra PG, but a little more shield too.

A Myron destroyed my tank with 20GJ ion cannons in roughly 7 seconds. It's a gunnlogi with 6k shields and I even used my shield hardener+booster. Maybe he had invested in many skills with damage mods? All I know is that is still unacceptable, and that 20GJ proto blaster turrents should certainly not do that kind of damage to a well fitted HAV. He was hovering in a position that couldn't shoot/aim. Those are for infantry. Not Heavy Vehicles. Now I understand dropships should not be so easily taken down by tanks, but not the other way around either.

Funny I run dual tanking and it seems to work pretty well, running a booster at the same time as my 2x armour reppers provides a small buffer between damage and my weakened armour, its saved me more than a couple of times. and that's on a grim

LOL...

It's what most newbies think when they start fitting their ships... vehicles... And it's not been helped by the fact that the non-tank dropsuit modules are **** so dropsuit fitting does favor dual-tanking, so mercs new to the EVE fitting thing get shown down the wrong road.

I think it was an anti infantry variant, still OP got owned.

True AV DS would have the biggest raiguns you could fit, thats IS a scary thought for any tanker.

Honestly, I find blasters on a derpship make for better AV/anti-installation than rails do.

I'm well aware that the grim is predisposed to armour tanking, which is why I mainly run armour tanking on it, I just like having that extra bit of shield though, and there's hardly a load of useful high slot modules for dropships right now are they're now that they've nerfed afterburners

Think of it this way: That little bit of extra shields costs you a potential 5% increase to your armor eHP and repair rate (in the form of a DCU that will also give a 9% bonus to shield resists) and the mobility of a afterburner with, even with the nerf, is extremely helpful.

From Judge Rhadamanthus' accounts, he sounds like he at least has a basic grasp on flying his dropship. While dual-tanking is rightly frowned upon in EVE, with a lack of ewar and tackle mods in DUST it's a bit of a different story, usually in the case of gallente armor vehicle/dropsuits. That is a 100% utilized armor tank he is running, the dcu only stacks after the x2 30% armor hardeners, leaving very little effect from that highslot mod.

The dropships have *precious* little total HP, so being able to harden and rep his free 800hp wrapper can mean alot, especially when it can soak up explosive AV/swarm damage.

My grim's fit
1x 60 mm plate (can't remember the name, its the 700HP one)
2x light IG polarised armour reppers
1x beta powergrid extender

1x azeotropic ward extender
1x light shield booster (again can't remember the name, but its the best one)

this give me 2900 armour and 1600 shields, and running all 3 modules at once allows me to soak up a huge amount of damage, particularly from swarms, forge guns stick out a ridiculous amount of damage per shot though, making it tougher to survive them though. The shield booster gives me a buffer which can swallow damage which would otherwise annihilate my armour, plus it lets my shields regen faster allowing me to get back into action more quickly.

Seems like it'd have a big downtime in safe windows. FG must be annoying on that build

LOL...

It's what most newbies think when they start fitting their ships... vehicles... And it's not been helped by the fact that the non-tank dropsuit modules are **** so dropsuit fitting does favor dual-tanking, so mercs new to the EVE fitting thing get shown down the wrong road.