What is wrong with with pve? At least 1/2 of EvE is pve. 1.0 - 0.5 is mainly pve, worm hole space is an ISK farm and is probably 75% pve and low and null sec are full of pve activities. EvE gives out SP no matter what, it is not based on anything but time and implants. DUST is one of the most boring games I have ever played and if is because it is all PvP right now. I can't choose where to go, I can't choose what to do and I can't even use the market(a real market). The game as it is right now is how it will be in 5 years if we don't get pve added. The player base will grow for a year, the same things that are happening now will be cried about then and the the game will die off 6 months after that because it is boring. It is worse than cod and that game makes me want to cut myself just so I can peel off scabs. The thought of a PvP only DUST makes me sick. Ratting is fun, mining is kind of fun and exploration is fun. I think I have been blown up maybe 15-20 time in the past year and not one was from PvP I started or wanted. It was a lone PvP guy looking for scrubs like me who are out of our comfort zone.

I am not a full blown carebear. I live in a 0.5 system but I like going into low sec and worm holes for better loot and mining. If EvE was all PvP it would suck too. Lastly, without pve the economy could not exist. Pretty much everything in EvE comes from pve and lots of that stuff from high sec. So before you start talking trash about pve pilots/mercs you should realize that every piece of gear on the market was produced by pve. Well unless you consider mining, research, manufacturing, invention, hauling, exploration, planetary interaction, gas harvesting, ice mining, being a CEO or any other director a PvP game. The market is more PvP than any of these things.

can't play the real game?

Can't Handle Eve? Play Dust!

What is wrong with with pve? At least 1/2 of EvE is pve. 1.0 - 0.5 is mainly pve, worm hole space is an ISK farm and is probably 75% pve and low and null sec are full of pve activities. EvE gives out SP no matter what, it is not based on anything but time and implants. DUST is one of the most boring games I have ever played and if is because it is all PvP right now. I can't choose where to go, I can't choose what to do and I can't even use the market(a real market). The game as it is right now is how it will be in 5 years if we don't get pve added. The player base will grow for a year, the same things that are happening now will be cried about then and the the game will die off 6 months after that because it is boring. It is worse than cod and that game makes me want to cut myself just so I can peel off scabs. The thought of a PvP only DUST makes me sick. Ratting is fun, mining is kind of fun and exploration is fun. I think I have been blown up maybe 15-20 time in the past year and not one was from PvP I started or wanted. It was a lone PvP guy looking for scrubs like me who are out of our comfort zone.

I am not a full blown carebear. I live in a 0.5 system but I like going into low sec and worm holes for better loot and mining. If EvE was all PvP it would suck too. Lastly, without pve the economy could not exist. Pretty much everything in EvE comes from pve and lots of that stuff from high sec. So before you start talking trash about pve pilots/mercs you should realize that every piece of gear on the market was produced by pve. Well unless you consider mining, research, manufacturing, invention, hauling, exploration, planetary interaction, gas harvesting, ice mining, being a CEO or any other director a PvP game. The market is more PvP than any of these things.

can't play the real game?

beg for ai.


then make a ton of excuses why it's the better players fault for being better then you.


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can't play the real game?

beg for ai.


then make a ton of excuses why it's the better players fault for being better then you.


Peace
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All I am saying is that half of EVE is PVE and the PVP would not work with out it. I am not saying give me a tractor and a shovel so I can grow crops. I am saying that the PvE part needs to be there. This game isn't that fun. I was hoping for a complex shooter with lots of options in profession and style of play as it is the game is a dumbed down interface with no depth made not to confuse or overwhelm the fps community.

We need a market, missions, ratting, Radar and mag sites to loot along with all the stuff we are about to get. There needs to be lots to bring people in or it will die just another shooter.

Ivan, EvE is in the name of the game so some things should carry over even if you don't like it

I am really hopeful that PVE in Dust will follow a similar model to PVE in EVE.
If you are in space, you are vulnerable. Ratters in EVE have to be on the defensive for gankers / neuts / badguys of various sorts.

Lets say PVE in dust will be handled with sites you can access to do PVE stuff, lets hypothesize that these sites are not exclusive.
So one group of players puts together a squad to go smash drones for isk, and a few minutes later another group shows up in the same area. What is their intent? How will this play out?

I agree with you, and I think on some level the devs do as well. However, without the basics of a solid shooter the rest of that is pointless.

My guess is that the fall expansion (EVE is summer/winter, so Dust might be spring/autumn) will be something like "Bounty" and will include more types of merc contracts and maybe some of the district harvesting and manufacturing that they talked about in the Seeding the Universe talk.

I wouldn't get your hopes up that PVE in dust will resemble eve, I don't think they will be able to construct large open worlds where you can drive a mining tank around and dig into the environment, more likely there will be squad based battles against the AI if that.

Its far more likely the only way to make isk and not have to fight a player for it will be taking districts that aren't held by anyone, and the only way you'll be able to keep them is to fight for them or pay someone else to, I'm not against PVE but I think people will be setting themselves up for major disappointment if they think Dust PVE will be remotely like eve PVE.

On the subject of "go anywhere, do anything", why would PVE need to be limited to planetary installations with drones? While drones are a cool place to start, I'm of the mind-set that we should be just as free as a capsuleer to d**k around and end up getting ganked on some back-water asteroid installation.

Might not we get a lore-friendly reason to hack our way into a Sleeper station sitting in WH space? A capsuleer jumps in, and sets up a cyno for a war-barge to follow. Cyno would have a 35 minute alert for any corps to flag the request and jump in, and there would not be a limit on the number of corps that could accept, so long as they could hold off the security drones. War-barge launches bore pods that breach the exterior hull, and begin to inject mercs inside the station. While the capsuleer fights the security drones outside (capsuleer can choose not to defend any corp they wish, but the war barge should have basic weaponry, possibly manned by any Merc that wished to stay out of the station), we fight the security systems inside, along with any nasty surprises the Sleepers have waiting. Epic loot for anyone that can survive, and resist any Sleeper interference in the implants. This could branch the FPS into the FPS Horror if required, but it's not necessary for rewarding gameplay.

Maybe a Sansha incursion pops up and is taking over a POS, and the Mercs have a limited window to respond to the distress beacon and trash some Nation soldiers. Similar to above, the emergency beacon can act as a Cyno for the war barge, or the mercs can spawn at strategic locations in the station. The more station you control, the higher the number of mercs that can spawn in to assist/stab you in the back.


This doesn't take anything away from PVP. If anything, I'd love to be doing a PVE instance, and have to be worried about some blueberry or raspberry popping around the corner and ruining my day. If it could be done in any normal social interaction, I expect a remote possibility of legitimate griefing in PVE as well.

As for the argument about walking on the planet and getting attacked by farmers, I have laid out in another thread my ideas for a player owned mining claim. Claim jumpers would be a concern, and you would have to defend your investment.

Just because someone says PVE, doesn't mean we should have to assume a drone infestation in an industrial/military complex planet-side.

As much as I can understand a lot of the feeling for centering around PvP content, I feel there is a need to instigate a little counter perspective rather than just agreeing.

It is well and good that PvP is the center focus and anima of this game, we are also disregarding the ability to make this game something more. As I and others have gone over a few times in discussion: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=49714&find=unread there is a very sound number of reasons why PvE content is both good and quite necessary in a persistent MMO.

Rather going into some of the blatantly obvious notions such as time-player gaps and Full matches, let us consider as a premise that one of the most intensive PvP experiences coming from Eve Online is on the backdrop of PvE content and simpler gameplay. If I had to play strict PvP in an open world, there would be little else than the best fighters and the rest. I've met many of them and they are both good and well-funded. However, in Eve this is largely due to a dependence on others (as far as territory, rent, and resources go). Players who are exceptionally good a PvP only become so as a direct product of those who are more interested in other things such as PI, Mining, or trading. Likewise, the special equipment and tech is found almost exclusively from PvE content and turned around either for a profit or for personal use.

This is the nature of both an MMO and an economy. Taking this towards Dust, there is an impasse. Are we an independent game with it's own economy, players, and empires? Or are we simply a PvP-based game that is largely dependent on a fixed market with only the hope of being traded over to another game's (Eve Online) players for profit? If the later is true, than many things about this game will become rather fixed and quite possibly stale. As in every similar game, there will be the best at PvP and consequentially all else by this nature. Likewise, there will be much less dynamics than Eve, more akin to other FPS's and Clan dramas. However, this is not necessarily bad if we are to follow in suit as many other FPS games as we be something that still stands out in a larger picture. We can still remain very innovative as we allow more features such as boarding (being a pirate) or massive warfare in Conquest mode (Out in Null-Sec) or even arena and live events. But we will remain slaves to that system with very little control over our own destiny.

It is my hope that this is not quite the endgame for Dust 514.

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can't play the real game?

beg for ai.


then make a ton of excuses why it's the better players fault for being better then you.


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