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Zion Shad ZionTCD Legacy Rising 1666	Posted - 2013.04.03 03:39:00 - [1] - Quote Every time there has been a reset I have watched merc's BEG for the next reset because they put SP where they shouldn't of. So my question is will you be strong enough to focus your Respec in to mastering your main role and bust out Proto day 1 or will you just become a jack of all trade stuck in 3 type II's?
Bojo The Mighty Bojo's School of the Trades 780	Posted - 2013.04.03 03:41:00 - [2] - Quote Zion Shad wrote: Every time there has been a reset I have watched merc's BEG for the next reset because they put SP where they shouldn't of. So my question is will you be strong enough to focus your Respec in to mastering your main role and bust out Proto day 1 or will you just become a jack of all trade stuck in 3 type II's? They'll go proto no doubt because of how pissy they get over pub stomping, then realize that Proto suits are worthless without level 5 shield control and field mechanics.
Gunner Nightingale Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 436	Posted - 2013.04.03 03:41:00 - [3] - Quote Zion Shad wrote: Every time there has been a reset I have watched merc's BEG for the next reset because they put SP where they shouldn't of. So my question is will you be strong enough to focus your Respec in to mastering your main role and bust out Proto day 1 or will you just become a jack of all trade stuck in 3 type II's? You'll see a propenderance of alts playing this month. Need as many test accounts as possible for next build.
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming 528	Posted - 2013.04.03 03:42:00 - [4] - Quote Nothing but glass cannons.
XXfootnoteXX DUST University Ivy League 173	Posted - 2013.04.03 03:43:00 - [5] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Zion Shad wrote: Every time there has been a reset I have watched merc's BEG for the next reset because they put SP where they shouldn't of. So my question is will you be strong enough to focus your Respec in to mastering your main role and bust out Proto day 1 or will you just become a jack of all trade stuck in 3 type II's? They'll go proto no doubt because of how pissy they get over pub stomping, then realize that Proto suits are worthless without level 5 shield control and field mechanics. Bingo. I will go proto... in a weapon system (perhaps two), but probably only advanced in suits. I love where my support skills are right now and dont plan on changing that.
Succendo Immobile Infantry 5	Posted - 2013.04.03 03:44:00 - [6] - Quote My question to you is will you be strong enough to run for CSM and actually stick with it, or will you quit under constant mockery of your idiotic viewpoints?
Drake435 SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 33	Posted - 2013.04.03 03:47:00 - [7] - Quote I used the Dust Fitting Tool and realized I'm a glass cannon.......... I would need to have about 1-2 million more SP before I can have a decent proto that doesn't die. Other than that, my damage is fine with duloviles tearing suits apart. I also wasted tons of SP on weapons I'll never use mainly pistols, nova knives, shotguns, and something else.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Daringly Inserting Large Dangerous Objects 77	Posted - 2013.04.03 03:48:00 - [8] - Quote will more protos come out, yes, alot nope not really, anyone who has that amount of sp will have some common sense or should. mostly the 2-4million sp might make the mistake of it.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 1013	Posted - 2013.04.03 03:59:00 - [9] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Zion Shad wrote: Every time there has been a reset I have watched merc's BEG for the next reset because they put SP where they shouldn't of. So my question is will you be strong enough to focus your Respec in to mastering your main role and bust out Proto day 1 or will you just become a jack of all trade stuck in 3 type II's? They'll go proto no doubt because of how pissy they get over pub stomping, then realize that Proto suits are worthless without level 5 shield control and field mechanics. I'm starting to put a sheet together listing what skills i'm gonna spec into and how far. first four i'm definitely maxing are combat engineering, whatever the cpu increase is called, field mechanics and shield control. other skills i have a rough idea of how they're going to turn out, but despite all the crap they've had i am stll speccing dropships, no respec is taking away my pinata
XXfootnoteXX DUST University Ivy League 173	Posted - 2013.04.03 04:01:00 - [10] - Quote gbghg wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: Zion Shad wrote: Every time there has been a reset I have watched merc's BEG for the next reset because they put SP where they shouldn't of. So my question is will you be strong enough to focus your Respec in to mastering your main role and bust out Proto day 1 or will you just become a jack of all trade stuck in 3 type II's? They'll go proto no doubt because of how pissy they get over pub stomping, then realize that Proto suits are worthless without level 5 shield control and field mechanics. I'm starting to put a sheet together listing what skills i'm gonna spec into and how far. first four i'm definitely maxing are combat engineering, whatever the cpu increase is called, field mechanics and shield control. other skills i have a rough idea of how they're going to turn out, but despite all the crap they've had i am stll speccing dropships, no respec is taking away my pinata Same. I am basicly copying down where I have my skills put. For the most part I like where mine are at, I simply will remove some of the weapons I have skilled into. Shield Control is a kitten due to the x3. I am only at L3 right now. I should max it out when we respec but I will lose out on some other skills I have now.

Aighun Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 714	Posted - 2013.04.03 04:03:00 - [11] - Quote Gunner Nightingale wrote: Zion Shad wrote: Every time there has been a reset I have watched merc's BEG for the next reset because they put SP where they shouldn't of. So my question is will you be strong enough to focus your Respec in to mastering your main role and bust out Proto day 1 or will you just become a jack of all trade stuck in 3 type II's? You'll see a propenderance of alts playing this month. Need as many test accounts as possible for next build. Yes. Because the best thing we can all do right now is test an obsolete system so that months from now we can start making threads about the good old days back in the chromosome or whatever build this is when you really had to train your skills, yes sir, not like these skills we have today. You kids and your skill trees. Then again. Wonder what happens when you hit vigor level five, and endurance level five... ? Do you get a Rimmugygur?
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 750	Posted - 2013.04.03 04:11:00 - [12] - Quote Probably.
Mr Turtlez Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 53	Posted - 2013.04.03 04:15:00 - [13] - Quote Ill have the same SP. Why would i go down to an advanced when Ive already got a maxed vk1?
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3312	Posted - 2013.04.03 04:17:00 - [14] - Quote I will build up my core again, max shield, max shield regen, max armor, some extra stamina, some extra recovery. After building up my core, I will test out different dropsuits, weapons, and equipment with my army of alts to research and find out what is best for me. I will wait for the crying for nerfs and buffs to finish, and once everything has been solidified, then I will spec fully into my chosen weapon and dropsuit.
2-Ton Twenty-One Imperfects Negative-Feedback 435	Posted - 2013.04.03 04:25:00 - [15] - Quote I will prob just sp grind throught this build and horde sp or until i see something i like.
Harkon Vysarii Dead Six Initiative Daringly Inserting Large Dangerous Objects 139	Posted - 2013.04.03 04:48:00 - [16] - Quote I think neither. Player will put more into their core skills if they are smart and then start working towards better dropsuits a bit later.
The Black Art Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION 27	Posted - 2013.04.03 04:52:00 - [17] - Quote I'll know what I want within the first day of playing, so yeah, I'll probably still be in a proto suit.
DUST Fiend Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 2282	Posted - 2013.04.03 05:01:00 - [18] - Quote I'm literally all over the place with SP. It's fun, but not overly effective. I want that one beastly fit, and I want to have maximum efficiency in my cheaper suits. I want to me a mother ******* flesh eating ghost
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 13	Posted - 2013.04.03 05:06:00 - [19] - Quote the respec will only hurt the soft, because better players who started late can learn from their mistakes now. i'm sure it seemed like a good idea at the time.
Alina Heart DIOS EX. 32	Posted - 2013.04.03 05:17:00 - [20] - Quote If it anything it should reduce the current mayhem of pubstomping. Hopefully all these blueberries have realized their skill dispersment mistakes and up their gear to something they can actually kill somebody with. I hope to see less Sniper morons who thought this was call of duty and sniping was easy cake. I hope to see a lot more AV specialists, and Heavy's. I hope more dropship pilots take to the skies. Can't say I'm too excited for the inevitable influx of tankers. Nor can I get myself excited for the current QQ Heavy's switching to assault because apparently they think we've got it easy (Heavy's have their role and so do we, I just don't want the heavy to be completely non existent next build, you guys are a vital part of any team)

The Robot Devil BetaMax. CRONOS. 57	Posted - 2013.04.03 05:22:00 - [21] - Quote Zion Shad wrote: Every time there has been a reset I have watched merc's BEG for the next reset because they put SP where they shouldn't of. So my question is will you be strong enough to focus your Respec in to mastering your main role and bust out Proto day 1 or will you just become a jack of all trade stuck in 3 type II's? Yes, I think there will be lots out there. The best part is they won't have the core skills to keep them up and little money from running a suit that isn't supported by skill. I wish the market was live so I could buy a lot of proto suits to sell when demand shoots up. I will not spec into anything proto except in shields and armor. I this not worth it. I do just as well and make more ISK is standard and advanced. Proto does not appeal to me at all.
Solarisjock Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 19	Posted - 2013.04.03 06:00:00 - [22] - Quote I will probably be around the 4-4.5M mark, and yes, i will be rocking Proto, with proto tank. i might be stuck with a militia assault rifle, but i will most assuredly stick around long enough to use it. Maybe weaponry 5 so i can slap on a complex damage mod or two so even a militia rifle is brutal.
Zion Shad ZionTCD Legacy Rising 1669	Posted - 2013.04.03 06:10:00 - [23] - Quote I'm if'y on going in to tanks right away, but I'm not a Tank main. The thing that will get me is will I want to spec up to proto on my main now or go head first in to like Covert Ops or the other new shinnys. Any of you going to try the New ****?
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 565	Posted - 2013.04.03 06:11:00 - [24] - Quote What makes you think anyone will have enough SP to get into proto? They're revamping the whole skill tree, might very well mean that proto suits have some nasty skill requirements.
Yeva Kalsani Reckoners 17	Posted - 2013.04.03 06:13:00 - [25] - Quote I'm actually gonna put my money on "no" because no matter what you do, it's not feasible to run around in Protosuits if you can't make a profit, and I doubt that most players who'd suddenly switch to them are good enough to turn out a profit using them.
Deadeyes Anterie Ill Omens 348	Posted - 2013.04.03 07:17:00 - [26] - Quote I for one look forward to the influx of new proto players. Proto should be saved for corp battle IMO because the gear is critical there. The 2 extra slots are nice but rarely decide engagements. Bad proto players are the reason I can pay the bills. The more there are the more I make.
Coleman Gray RED COLONIAL MARINES Covert Intervention 157	Posted - 2013.04.03 09:29:00 - [27] - Quote Put it this way, alot of people will go "yay I can get proto straight away" spend all their SP on it then realize, "damn...that cost me like 2 mill sp out of my 3-4 mill (about the range of anyone not a vet I'd say) And I still need to get my mods, circuity, combat engineering, my weapon skills, field mechanics shield control...
Zion Shad ZionTCD Legacy Rising 1672	Posted - 2013.04.03 09:39:00 - [28] - Quote Coleman Gray wrote: Put it this way, alot of people will go "yay I can get proto straight away" spend all their SP on it then realize, "damn...that cost me like 2 mill sp out of my 3-4 mill (about the range of anyone not a vet I'd say) And I still need to get my mods, circuity, combat engineering, my weapon skills, field mechanics shield control... You always need to start with your basic foundation skills like those that effect Electronics, Power Grid, Shields, Armor and so on then worry about suits. Other wise like others have put it, they are glass cannons.
J-Lewis Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 12	Posted - 2013.04.03 10:38:00 - [29] - Quote I plan on putting at least 2/3rds of my SP into core skills (level 4 most of them, 5 where appropriate), then spending the remainder slowly as I figure out what has changed. I'm actually looking forward to spending hours planning out my character sheet, a bad habit (?) I acquired from playing Tabletop RPGs. Blindly rushing proto just seems like such a terrible idea. Since the stats got flattened, proto suits are only really good if you have the core skills to make the most of the marginal stat increases. But for all we know stats might get diversified again in Uprising. Maybe we'll even get a semi-competent matchmaking system... I WANT TO BELIEVE!
Bigglesworth McQueen On The Brink CRONOS. 46	Posted - 2013.04.03 10:41:00 - [30] - Quote Not sure if this has been covered or not, but what happens to the ISK that went towards buying the skillbooks? Is that gone or is that too, going to be refunded?

J-Lewis Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 12	Posted - 2013.04.03 10:58:00 - [31] - Quote Bigglesworth McQueen wrote: Not sure if this has been covered or not, but what happens to the ISK that went towards buying the skillbooks? Is that gone or is that too, going to be refunded? It'll be refunded.
Bones McGavins Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 45	Posted - 2013.04.03 14:57:00 - [32] - Quote Im conflicted. Ive ran a jack of all trades style so far, which works great as long as tankers dont blow supply depots and I can switch loadouts. Great to set up some guage uplinks around bases as a low profile scout, then hack a supply and switch to a heavy HMG to murder anyone around the base and camp the spawn until reinforcements arrive, then switch to an assault LR to kill folks coming to recap. But I just made an alt and pumped points into a more focused role of Assault/LR/SMG and i already love the level III LR (my main is only at II). I think I will get rid of some stuff I absolutely never use, but still pretty much roll with a generic bunch of skills. Perhaps swap the points from AR and LR to switch to more of a LR role. Then again, Im pretty sure LR will be nerfed soon, so maybe not.
DUST Fiend Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 2284	Posted - 2013.04.03 15:03:00 - [33] - Quote Coleman Gray wrote: Put it this way, alot of people will go "yay I can get proto straight away" spend all their SP on it then realize, "damn...that cost me like 2 mill sp out of my 3-4 mill (about the range of anyone not a vet I'd say) And I still need to get my mods, circuity, combat engineering, my weapon skills, field mechanics shield control... I won't even get to play the game for at least an hour, I have to sit down and just digest the new skill system. I'll have about 5.5M (ish) to play with, so I'm going shotgun stealth scout, along with all my core skills. A little bit of AV, some uplinks and hives, and I'll be pretty damn happy. But yea, I'll be putting together my tutorials shortly after Uprising, to help people get into a descent "starter" fit within a few hours, without wasting SP on useless things.
CPL Bloodstone SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 44	Posted - 2013.04.03 15:09:00 - [34] - Quote I will do alot of the same thing i did when open beta came out. Get field mechanics to V shield control to 5 and circuitry and combat engineering to 5. After that, Probably put a few points back into forget gunning but the rest ill just keep in standby and grind away till either something exciting for me comes out.
The dark cloud Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1202	Posted - 2013.04.03 15:12:00 - [35] - Quote 1 time tanker, allways tanker. I will stick with my sagaris. Eventually we will get new tanks/turrets but the shield tank-railgun combo is just unbeatable. I would even guess that you will see more tanks then proto suits when this happends.
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER TeamPlayers 139	Posted - 2013.04.03 15:14:00 - [36] - Quote Im honestly debating about investing in the proto right away. The 1 thing Im considering changing. then again, I rarely use proto heavy so its at least feasible that I put it off. although... not a whole lot im missing at this point regarding skills and the order I would want them.
BMSTUBBY KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 117	Posted - 2013.04.03 15:21:00 - [37] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: What makes you think anyone will have enough SP to get into proto? They're revamping the whole skill tree, might very well mean that proto suits have some nasty skill requirements. This ^
Sobriety Denied FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED TACNET 521	Posted - 2013.04.03 17:09:00 - [38] - Quote Alina Heart wrote: I hope more dropship pilots take to the skies. too much stacked against pilots. i recently lost 5 griminess and none of them were to enemy fire.. 3 were rammed by RDVs, 1 internal server error, 1 hardfreeze. if my ship does survive all that crap i recieve a whopping 70K isk.. i can do without the SP but the isk factor is a freaking outrage trying to grind isk as a pilot when your 500k isk ships are being lost to BS is not worth it. i've really had it with CCPs sht against the dropship and if may 6th is a joke that can't distract me from flying then i'm done. on top of all that the frame rate micro freezing for pilots is just outrageous
Geth Massredux ZionTCD Legacy Rising 108	Posted - 2013.04.03 17:13:00 - [39] - Quote If there are more proto suits running around it would make the noobs a more challenging target. Finally
Maximus Stryker Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 402	Posted - 2013.04.03 17:28:00 - [40] - Quote all I can say is I am looking forward to hunting proto tanks

Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders Red Rock Consortium 461	Posted - 2013.04.03 17:39:00 - [41] - Quote Hopefully, we'll get advanced notice of what the new skill tree will look like so that we can do some proper New Eden Spreadsheets and plan this out correctly. My current skills aren't too bad and I plan on rebuilding my skills to match what I have now. I don't have much spent in secondary roles or useless stuff. The month we have between now and Uprising should be enough to earn my prototype dropsuits. That being said, I will be spending points on core fitting skills first, max out the logistics tools and then one weapon to prototype. After that I'll balance between defense and suit skills, going for prototype level armor, at least advanced level shields and finally prototype level dropsuit. Having around 8.5 million SP by May 6th should get me most if not all of those skills depending on how things are changed.
Yeva Kalsani Reckoners 21	Posted - 2013.04.03 18:14:00 - [42] - Quote To add to my "no"-speculation earlier, I actually suspect, rather than seeing more proto-suits, we'll see more complaint threads about how proto-suits are underpowered and new complaint threads about people wanting to re-re-spec.
Skihids The Tritan Industries 1134	Posted - 2013.04.03 18:40:00 - [43] - Quote I've already got solid core skills due to DS flying. I'm still in a standard Logi dropsuit (SVER) with medium equipment skills and one single weapon (MD) with 6m SP. I was saving toward a proto pilot suit, figuring I'd have the 2.4m additional by the 6th, but now I'll also be able to test out the Type A and burn through my salvage. I figure the proto pilot suit can be treated like any other vehicle module. If you are already spending 800k ISK it makes sense to use the best to increase your survivability. Of course that assumes flying will be useful/rewarding in the next build. If not I could just get comfortable in the Type A and boost my Logi equipment skills and ancillary dropsuit skills like hacking, endurance, profile, etc. I'll probably rebuild my core skills on day one and save a few million SP for a few days to see how things settle out.
Ten-Sidhe Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 446	Posted - 2013.04.03 19:21:00 - [44] - Quote I made a written skill plan back in january for my first 10 million sp(should have that week build comes out), I'll make changes to it based changes in skill tree and may swap swarm for plasma and ar for scrambler rifle, or not the 12,440sp to test each before deciding if I like it better then old option is cheap. I may or may not have proto at that point, decision will be based on If I think having more variety of proto guns on adv suits for different condition and more support skills or one protosuit/weapon combo will be more effective/isk efficient. I would have proto just before build by current plan, newly added support/weapons may push it back to late may/early june.
knight of 6 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 107	Posted - 2013.04.03 19:32:00 - [45] - Quote i already have 2 hyper-focused builds (tanker and logi, tanker is my main), i have to admit i love my surya, but i don't drop them all that often. i might get rid of AR 4, i don't use it very much... i'll probably keep the surya just because it sets me apart from the crowd.


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