this is assuming what has been said will all be true. I'd say try and hold/reserve judgment till the patch is out (granted i shouldnt be one saying this as i do the same).

Also, we need to group up ....

All I'm going to say is that as a heavy, if they refund any or all of our SP at some point, I'm taking every point I can out of heavies and putting them into scouts. If you're any good, scouts will just net you far more kills, less deaths, and more usefulness to your team overall than a heavy ever can. Heavies are extremely undewhelming outside of early game and unskilled players.

Join the Queue, if they refund heavys SP, there wont be any left. We all got conned, ok at the start when we didn`t know better, but now we just wasted a whole ton of SP

With the new build coming soon, and the new weapons, and modules included, (haven't heard any pro heavy news btw) are the heavies the weakest dropsuit? I mean In all reality It's supposed to be the strongest, and most durable, am I right?

Lets look at the pros and cons shall we.

These are the understandable weaknesses of the heavy. You get what you get here.

(-) slow movement speed

(-) bigger hit box

(-) large profile

(-) slow turn speed

(-) no equipment

Cons: these are the ones I can think of as of right now. I could probably find more if I search other threads, but I'm lazy

- vk1 costs more than a tank...

- rumor being that all dropsuits can use heavy weapons as seen in the gathering forces trailer (not confirmed, but would make being a heavy completely useless. Having exclusive weapons is what sets the heavy apart from the other dropsuits.

- a good proto assualt vs a good heavy. Proto assualt wins 80% of the time. And that's a 1v1. We all know people like to steal kills.

- with the recent nerf to hmg range heavys have to be closer to the target than ever to do serious damage. just to let you guys know mini guns in today's world can shoot up to 1000 meters accurately. Hmgs in this game are squirt guns compared to real mini guns in today's world, doesn't make sense but ok.

Future build cons: we all know with the new modules coming that It's going to be even harder to not only get kills as a heavy, but also a lot of our k/d ratios are going to drop. Thanks to invisible shotgun scouts.

- scanners are going to be able to track heavies the easiest

- if a heavy closes in on a player, or catches one of guard, all the player has to do is drop a shield generator, and wait for the heavy to approach. As soon as the heavy enters the (bubble shield) the player throws a grenade into the bubble hurting the heavy significantly. As soon as this happens the player can finish him off in a brawl. All heavies aren't stupid so this may not be the case, but this gives the player with the shield generator a get out of jail free card. Just another obstacle the heavy has to overcome to get a kill.

- cloaking, or invisibility will be used by scouts the most. This promotes camping, and waiting by a corner for a heavy to pass by wasting him in the process is another thing that effects the heavy a lot to an extent.

Pros

+ a lot of hp (not near enough in my opinion)

+ Exclusive weapons

+ .........and that's It (at least to my knowledge)


Now some of you guys are probably thinking "hahaha, heavies are getting the Jenny Craig treatment *****! Lololololol" this maybe funny to most but for the ones that actually use heavies are really hurt by what it's become. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't laugh about your specific dropsuit that you spent most of your skill points into get gimped, and royally f*****.

a lot of hp (not near enough in my opinion)

Exclusive weapons

Lastly Instant Hit+ High RoF makes a unbelievable strong gun.

Lets just look at those Pros you stated. You kinda skipped over them.

1.


Your HP gives you the ability to both DPS and TANK at the same time. Something no other class can do.

Now lets talk about these



Ok the HMG... this weapon has the highest RoF and Clip size in the game. Furthermore, Its the only weapon in game that becomes more accurate overtime.

Lastly Instant Hit+ High RoF makes a unbelievable strong gun.

When I 1v1ed you I killed you with about 40 armor left. Although your shields were about 80%. Had they been 100% I would have been killed myself while you walk away with probably 150 armor left give or take. The hmg is strong no doubt, but compared to the assualt rifle it's **** at close range. It's not an area denial weapon like it should be.

and Heavy IMO should never be chasing anybody.

The HMG being the only weapon becoming more accurate over time is a myth. The HMG has increased recoil over time just like any other weapon. The only difference is that the AR starts accurate with its bullet spread and the HMG does not.

So really what you want to say is that the HMG is the only weapon in the game that requires time to start being accurate. Where all other weapons are accurate to begin with.

He started shooting me after you died.

Definitely not ine corp matches. Lots of corps are now decking out vk.0 heavy suites in all complex shield extenders and complex armor plates, and leaving them there with 2 triage nanohives... it takes 3 people just to start making the heavies armor go down....

I can play the video for you

Yes the heavy is a defencive platform used to anchor an area

If heavies lose the exclusives, Dust has gotten a lot closer to being an even more vanilla Cod

"Anchor" you say? *cooks grenade

If a proto-assault is beating a good heavy 80% of the time, shouldn't you be looking at the proto-assault? And even still that's kind of bias. Since most proto-assaults have ARs, you're flat-out outside of the HMG optimal range, and without support, the Forge Gun is a sitting duck, so of course you're going to beat them 80% of the time.

Honestly, the high-end heavies could use a slight buff, same goes for the HMG, but apart from that, they don't need anything else. If you're facing people alone 1-1 as a Heavy you should get owned, because you're not suppose to be alone.

If you're facing people alone 1-1 as a Heavy you should get owned, because you're not suppose to be alone.

Wait, if an assault is better at killing stuff than a heavy, then What pre tell is a heavy supposed to do with a group? No equipment, and you've said it's not a credible threat. There is nothing a heavy can do with a group that an assault can't do better. So essentially, heavies should run around, being fat and slow, drawing attention to how easy they are to kill? What is the heavy's job? Spray popcorn at the enemy while your squadmates reload?

ATM I'm completely mystified, outside of a talented forge gunner, and being the right suit to use while operating an exposed turret...

Wait, if an assault is better at killing stuff than a heavy, then What pre tell is a heavy supposed to do with a group? No equipment, and you've said it's not a credible threat. There is nothing a heavy can do with a group that an assault can't do better. So essentially, heavies should run around, being fat and slow, drawing attention to how easy they are to kill? What is the heavy's job? Spray popcorn at the enemy while your squadmates reload?

ATM I'm completely mystified, outside of a talented forge gunner, and being the right suit to use while operating an exposed turret...

Wait, if an assault is better at killing stuff than a heavy, then What pre tell is a heavy supposed to do with a group? No equipment, and you've said it's not a credible threat. There is nothing a heavy can do with a group that an assault can't do better. So essentially, heavies should run around, being fat and slow, drawing attention to how easy they are to kill? What is the heavy's job? Spray popcorn at the enemy while your squadmates reload?

ATM I'm completely mystified, outside of a talented forge gunner, and being the right suit to use while operating an exposed turret...

With the new build coming soon, and the new weapons, and modules included, (haven't heard any pro heavy news btw) are the heavies the weakest dropsuit? I mean In all reality It's supposed to be the strongest, and most durable, am I right?

Lets look at the pros and cons shall we.

These are the understandable weaknesses of the heavy. You get what you get here.

(-) slow movement speed

(-) bigger hit box

(-) large profile

(-) slow turn speed

(-) no equipment

Cons: these are the ones I can think of as of right now. I could probably find more if I search other threads, but I'm lazy

- vk1 costs more than a tank...

- rumor being that all dropsuits can use heavy weapons as seen in the gathering forces trailer (not confirmed, but would make being a heavy completely useless. Having exclusive weapons is what sets the heavy apart from the other dropsuits.

- a good proto assualt vs a good heavy. Proto assualt wins 80% of the time. And that's a 1v1. We all know people like to steal kills.

- with the recent nerf to hmg range heavys have to be closer to the target than ever to do serious damage. just to let you guys know mini guns in today's world can shoot up to 1000 meters accurately. Hmgs in this game are squirt guns compared to real mini guns in today's world, doesn't make sense but ok.

Future build cons: we all know with the new modules coming that It's going to be even harder to not only get kills as a heavy, but also a lot of our k/d ratios are going to drop. Thanks to invisible shotgun scouts.

- scanners are going to be able to track heavies the easiest

- if a heavy closes in on a player, or catches one of guard, all the player has to do is drop a shield generator, and wait for the heavy to approach. As soon as the heavy enters the (bubble shield) the player throws a grenade into the bubble hurting the heavy significantly. As soon as this happens the player can finish him off in a brawl. All heavies aren't stupid so this may not be the case, but this gives the player with the shield generator a get out of jail free card. Just another obstacle the heavy has to overcome to get a kill.

- cloaking, or invisibility will be used by scouts the most. This promotes camping, and waiting by a corner for a heavy to pass by wasting him in the process is another thing that effects the heavy a lot to an extent.

Pros

+ a lot of hp (not near enough in my opinion)

+ Exclusive weapons

+ .........and that's It (at least to my knowledge)


Now some of you guys are probably thinking "hahaha, heavies are getting the Jenny Craig treatment *****! Lololololol" this maybe funny to most but for the ones that actually use heavies are really hurt by what it's become. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't laugh about your specific dropsuit that you spent most of your skill points into get gimped, and royally f*****.

this has been gone over before, give it a break, CCP only listens to the people asking for nerfs, not buffs

Wait, if an assault is better at killing stuff than a heavy, then What pre tell is a heavy supposed to do with a group? No equipment, and you've said it's not a credible threat. There is nothing a heavy can do with a group that an assault can't do better. So essentially, heavies should run around, being fat and slow, drawing attention to how easy they are to kill? What is the heavy's job? Spray popcorn at the enemy while your squadmates reload?

ATM I'm completely mystified, outside of a talented forge gunner, and being the right suit to use while operating an exposed turret...

Then we should NERF everything else to make the heavy a superior being again.

I hope the Heavy class doesn't go away, as that would be sad for us Logis.

you KNOW that's never going to happen.

CCP is a business.

how does a business USUALLY make money? by appealing to the lowest common denominator (in this case the brats that were spoiled on COD and never knew the feeling of searching for that health pack as 1 more bullet and you're dead)