I enjoy the Laser Rifle and I will be the first to tell anyone this. I hear alot of debate and have for some time now how the Viziam and the Laser Rifle in general are supposedly OP. I have run this tool and know from using it for weeks on end that it is no more OP than the AR. What makes this weapon and the AR this so called OP is the complex DMG mods stacked. If you really want to validate a point and not just QQ due to something destroying someone, please use and experiment with the so called OP weapon or weapons. On a Assault B series suit without stacking dmg mods I am able to run around 456 shields with the viziam, with mods around 250 or so . So either a person is tank strong with weak attack or paper thin carrying a time bomb.

Is The Viziam OP ?

http://youtu.be/TgZOF8f6zrc

I enjoy the Laser Rifle and I will be the first to tell anyone this. I hear alot of debate and have for some time now how the Viziam and the Laser Rifle in general are supposedly OP. I have run this tool and know from using it for weeks on end that it is no more OP than the AR. What makes this weapon and the AR this so called OP is the complex DMG mods stacked. If you really want to validate a point and not just QQ due to something destroying someone, please use and experiment with the so called OP weapon or weapons. On a Assault B series suit without stacking dmg mods I am able to run around 456 shields with the viziam, with mods around 250 or so . So either a person is tank strong with weak attack or paper thin carrying a time bomb.

Is The Viziam OP ?

http://youtu.be/TgZOF8f6zrc

With a working stacking penalty there won't be much of a difference in stacking two or three damage mods. There's a huge difference on the fourth mod though.

With stacking penalty:
After first mod 10% bonus.
After second 19.6%.
After third 26.4%.
After fourth 29.9%.

Without stacking penalty (current situation):
After first mod 10% bonus.
After second 21%.
After third 33.1%.
After fourth 46.41%.

So on the third mod it's (only) a 7% difference. Not that much in my opinion.

Therefore if there is a problem it's mostly related to the laser.

without DMG mods it is a working tool but not as effective. But what has to be put int consideration is that the AR is given the same DMG mod bonus when stacked, actually every weapon.

Perhaps they fix the stacking penalty before we go after the weapons?

You bring a valid point up, but I can lay people down just as fast with the AR with x3 mods. The LR has little CQC, and the AR tends to get rough to aim at LR distances.

without DMG mods it is a working tool but not as effective. But what has to be put int consideration is that the AR is given the same DMG mod bonus when stacked, actually every weapon.

Perhaps they fix the stacking penalty before we go after the weapons?

Stacking penalties are applied to % based modules because without them the % have a clear advantage.

The reason why static bonuses do not get a penalty is because they are static two of them will always give the same bonus.

%based mods will end up giving more of a bonus each time they are applied as the static will give the same bonus each time.

I enjoy the Laser Rifle and I will be the first to tell anyone this. I hear alot of debate and have for some time now how the Viziam and the Laser Rifle in general are supposedly OP. I have run this tool and know from using it for weeks on end that it is no more OP than the AR. What makes this weapon and the AR this so called OP is the complex DMG mods stacked. If you really want to validate a point and not just QQ due to something destroying someone, please use and experiment with the so called OP weapon or weapons. On a Assault B series suit without stacking dmg mods I am able to run around 456 shields with the viziam, with mods around 250 or so . So either a person is tank strong with weak attack or paper thin carrying a time bomb.

Is The Viziam OP ?

http://youtu.be/TgZOF8f6zrc

That logic works until you actually start to do the math on what's better to fit to a dropsuit. Shield extenders currently beat out damage mods in the majority of situations. Stacking penalize damage mods and leave extenders untouched, and damage mods will be useless 100% of the time.

The Viziam is overpowered because it gets 33% more damage over the advanced tier laser rifle, while every other proto gun in the game gets 5% more damage over advanced.

I'm pretty sure that's the very definition of overpowered.

Damage mods are just fine when compared to shield mods. You can't stacking penalize one and not penalize the other without ruining the game.

(I'd prefer everything had a stacking penalty, honestly, but the game would just go from one kind of mostly balanced to another kind.)

That logic works until you actually start to do the math on what's better to fit to a dropsuit. Shield extenders currently beat out damage mods in the majority of situations. Stacking penalize damage mods and leave extenders untouched, and damage mods will be useless 100% of the time.

With a working stacking penalty there won't be much of a difference in stacking two or three damage mods. There's a huge difference on the fourth mod though.

With stacking penalty:
After first mod 10% bonus.
After second 19.6%.
After third 26.4%.
After fourth 29.9%.

Without stacking penalty (current situation):
After first mod 10% bonus.
After second 21%.
After third 33.1%.
After fourth 46.41%.

So on the third mod it's (only) a 7% difference. Not that much in my opinion.

Therefore if there is a problem it's mostly related to the laser.

Damage mods are just fine when compared to shield mods. You can't stacking penalize one and not penalize the other without ruining the game.

No the logic is sound... they do not win in a majority of situations... on individual shots it will seem like the extenders are so much better (especially at proto levels) but you have a lot more than one shot and that will add up quick.

Now you add in the percentages you can get from optimal range, weapon efficiency, head shots... and its more than just Dmg Mod V EHP mod.

Wat. Shield modifiers are stacking penalized.
Shield Extenders are not, because they add a fixed amount of HP (skills do not change them)

Lets look at it this way. LR is most effective against shielding.... What do most people put in their high slots.... SHIELD MODS.... Stop shield stacking and it wont be OP.