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General Grodd
Killshot Corp
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Posted - 2013.03.25 13:37:00 -
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Tanks are not just vehicles! They are a class. Just like a heavy, or sniper is.
They require sp to unlock them and Isk to buy them just like others. They have their advantages. They have -áweapons and enemies they counter, just as there are weapons and enemies that can counter them. Tanks have strategies and tactics we use just like everyone else. There shouldn't be tankless matches, if you're dying constantly by a tank, 1. He/She's -áa very skilled and intelligent tanker, or 2. You aren't trying to kill him. 3. both. And I'm sorry, but you shouldn't expect militia AV weapons to kill a well fitted level 1 or proto tank. If you don't like tanks skill into AV and actually try to fight tanks. Tanks are supposed to be powerful, destructive, anti infantry or anti vehicle war machines (depending on the kind of tank itself) -ánot -áfancy tin cans. Also this is still the beta, stop expecting everything to be completely working and fixed, because they simply aren't lol. "Tanks are the backbone of any ground force." -CCP-á |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
2128
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Posted - 2013.03.25 13:41:00 -
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Heavy is a suit, not a class.
Sniper is a weapon, not a class.
HAV is a vehicle, not a class.
Each of the above are tools with which you can build your own custom "class" within the game.
+1, but you're wrong  |
ChromeBreaker
SVER True Blood
Unclaimed.
318
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Posted - 2013.03.25 13:45:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Heavy is a suit, not a class. Sniper is a weapon, not a class. HAV is a vehicle, not a class. Each of the above are tools with which you can build your own custom "class" within the game. +1, but you're wrong
Actually a Sniper is a class... it might be using a particular weapon but that doesnt mean anything
you could spec into just heavies as well... making them a class...
HAV's are a class of vehicle... |
Justin Tymes
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.03.25 14:01:00 -
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If HAV is a class, what are Dropships? |
Coleman Gray
RED COLONIAL MARINES
Covert Intervention
121
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Posted - 2013.03.25 14:03:00 -
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Justin Tymes wrote:If HAV is a class, what are Dropships?
Pilot class |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
Orion Empire
46
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Posted - 2013.03.25 14:03:00 -
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Justin Tymes wrote:If HAV is a class, what are Dropships?
target practice |
Calgoth Reborn
United Front LLC
187
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Posted - 2013.03.25 14:04:00 -
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Justin Tymes wrote:If HAV is a class, what are Dropships?
A metal Coffin |
Coleman Gray
RED COLONIAL MARINES
Covert Intervention
121
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Posted - 2013.03.25 14:04:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:Justin Tymes wrote:If HAV is a class, what are Dropships? target practice
"PULL!" |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S.
Legacy Rising
813
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Posted - 2013.03.25 14:11:00 -
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I should be depressed that you see dropships as such but it's sadly true right now |
Purple Creeper
Onslaught Inc
13
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Posted - 2013.03.25 15:49:00 -
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Afterburners aren't a secret ya know... Lol |
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Takahiro Kashuken
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
164
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Posted - 2013.03.25 16:03:00 -
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Afterburners got nerfed
Just like all vehicle mods yet again |
ChromeBreaker
SVER True Blood
Unclaimed.
319
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Posted - 2013.03.25 16:06:00 -
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Justin Tymes wrote:If HAV is a class, what are Dropships?
Dropships are a "class" of vehicle lol |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S.
Legacy Rising
815
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Posted - 2013.03.25 16:09:00 -
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ChromeBreaker wrote:Justin Tymes wrote:If HAV is a class, what are Dropships? Dropships are a "class" of vehicle lol
The classiest |
Volgair
The Tritan Industries
245
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Posted - 2013.03.25 16:46:00 -
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Justin Tymes wrote:If HAV is a class, what are Dropships?
If an HAV is a "class" then the Derpshit is as well, one that is woefully under powered, under armored and limited by WP returns.
Let me elaborate-
-Under powered by way of a limited sky box, small battle fields and the inability to survive environmental's such as a lightly tapping a building.
-Under armored by way of the inability to provide a logistics roll under fire, or cross an open field, every drop ship can be two or three hit with a decent forge gun, and you have to sacrifice resistance or additional buffer for the ability to evade swarm.
-Limited WP by way of the only way pilots get WP is to act like a gun ship. Something not currently possible since the missile nerf swarm buff and PG/CPU reduction.
The only reason my pilots continue to buy and attempt to field them is for 2 reasons. First, flying high for a nest that takes another drop ship to reach you, which is expensive. One drop ship costs roughly the same as some matches incomes. The second is their own breed, they serve as the masochistic pilot that, dare i say it. Loves to fly for the sake of flying, and wishes every day for the ability to serve a roll other then that of a fish in a barrel. |
Justin Tymes
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.03.25 17:08:00 -
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Volgair wrote:Justin Tymes wrote:If HAV is a class, what are Dropships? The only reason my pilots continue to buy and attempt to field them is for 2 reasons. First, flying high for a nest that takes another drop ship to reach you, which is expensive. One drop ship costs roughly the same as some matches incomes. The second is their own breed, they serve as the masochistic pilot that, dare i say it. Loves to fly for the sake of flying, and wishes every day for the ability to serve a roll other then that of a fish in a barrel.
The first is the main reasons why I am going to invest in dropships. That and sniper search/hunting. I just wish there was a Militia Dropship so I don't have to invest to do this. |
Skihids
The Tritan Industries
1091
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Posted - 2013.03.25 17:11:00 -
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How do you make a small fortune flying dropships?
Start with a large fortune. |
WyrmHero1945
IMPSwarm
Negative-Feedback
62
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Posted - 2013.03.25 17:15:00 -
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Justin Tymes wrote:Volgair wrote:Justin Tymes wrote:If HAV is a class, what are Dropships? The only reason my pilots continue to buy and attempt to field them is for 2 reasons. First, flying high for a nest that takes another drop ship to reach you, which is expensive. One drop ship costs roughly the same as some matches incomes. The second is their own breed, they serve as the masochistic pilot that, dare i say it. Loves to fly for the sake of flying, and wishes every day for the ability to serve a roll other then that of a fish in a barrel. The first is the main reasons why I am going to invest in dropships. That and sniper search/hunting. I just wish there was a Militia Dropship so I don't have to invest to do this.
LOL there are, search well friend.
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Noc Tempre
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
1271
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Posted - 2013.03.25 17:21:00 -
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Skihids wrote:How do you make a small fortune flying dropships?
Start with a large fortune.
/thread |
knight of 6
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
103
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Posted - 2013.03.25 17:23:00 -
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tanks aren't the back bone of anything. the back bone holds up the body. infantry specifically assault infantry is the back bone. that specializes further than assault infantry serves to support or perform a special task unsuited to infantry.
tankers are highly specialized shock troops used for breaking lines and heavy fire suppression. a right hook if you must have an analogy. |
Justin Tymes
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.03.25 17:36:00 -
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WyrmHero1945 wrote:Justin Tymes wrote:Volgair wrote:Justin Tymes wrote:If HAV is a class, what are Dropships? The only reason my pilots continue to buy and attempt to field them is for 2 reasons. First, flying high for a nest that takes another drop ship to reach you, which is expensive. One drop ship costs roughly the same as some matches incomes. The second is their own breed, they serve as the masochistic pilot that, dare i say it. Loves to fly for the sake of flying, and wishes every day for the ability to serve a roll other then that of a fish in a barrel. The first is the main reasons why I am going to invest in dropships. That and sniper search/hunting. I just wish there was a Militia Dropship so I don't have to invest to do this. LOL there are, search well friend.
You're right, I'm blind. Well, I guess there is no reason to invest now, considering I'm only using it to go from point A to point B. |
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Concept Proof
HavoK Core
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Posted - 2013.03.25 17:37:00 -
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knight of 6 wrote:tanks aren't the back bone of anything. the back bone holds up the body. infantry specifically assault infantry is the back bone. that specializes further than assault infantry serves to support or perform a special task unsuited to infantry.
tankers are highly specialized shock troops used for breaking lines and heavy fire suppression. a right hook if you must have an analogy.
Or a convincing distraction. |
Zekain Kade
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
1066
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Posted - 2013.03.25 18:19:00 -
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I have class. |
Volgair
The Tritan Industries
248
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Posted - 2013.03.25 18:23:00 -
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Zekain Kade wrote:I have class.
Awful, just awful... |
Harkon Vysarii
Dead Six Initiative
Daringly Inserting Large Dangerous Objects
84
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Posted - 2013.03.25 18:26:00 -
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Pilot suits will make them a proper class by ensuring that HAV drivers cant fight effectively on the ground. AKA we will see more tanks, but masps= bigger and long range AV will be more common place.
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Skihids
The Tritan Industries
1092
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Posted - 2013.03.25 18:33:00 -
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I agree with the OP in that driving should be seen as a seperate role from running on the ground.
A HAV or DS should not be regarded as a mere piece of equipment usable by any infantryman in the same way as a nanohive might be. This game needs more distinct roles rather than fewer. We need to be on guard against turning this into DUST-AR where everyone is expected to start as an AR user and only tack on other bits as desired. That's the type of thinking that led to the call to make the SL into a sidearm. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S.
Legacy Rising
818
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Posted - 2013.03.25 18:48:00 -
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Skihids wrote:I agree with the OP in that driving should be seen as a seperate role from running on the ground.
A HAV or DS should not be regarded as a mere piece of equipment usable by any infantryman in the same way as a nanohive might be. This game needs more distinct roles rather than fewer. We need to be on guard against turning this into DUST-AR where everyone is expected to start as an AR user and only tack on other bits as desired. That's the type of thinking that led to the call to make the SL into a sidearm.
And it should hopefully stop the kittening blueberries from taking vehicles the have no idea how to use properly |
Harkon Vysarii
Dead Six Initiative
Daringly Inserting Large Dangerous Objects
84
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Posted - 2013.03.25 18:49:00 -
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Skihids wrote:I agree with the OP in that driving should be seen as a seperate role from running on the ground.
A HAV or DS should not be regarded as a mere piece of equipment usable by any infantryman in the same way as a nanohive might be. This game needs more distinct roles rather than fewer. We need to be on guard against turning this into DUST-AR where everyone is expected to start as an AR user and only tack on other bits as desired. That's the type of thinking that led to the call to make the SL into a sidearm.
Well to be fair is any army Assault rifles will be prevalent due to capacity for long to mid range engagements, easy production, and durability. but besides that Dropships should be huge in future builds where maps are bigger and objectives fewer and far between. Imagine dropping down a 4 man team on an objective to secure it while your gunners hover overhead providing overwatch. |
Chris F2112
Killshot Corp
18
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Posted - 2013.03.25 19:31:00 -
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Dropship gunning can be devastating against teams that are not running AV fits, I've gone 16-0 in several public games with my brother piloting. That said, once you start killing people about half of them pull out swarms and forge guns... then you are kind of screwed, |
Icy Tiger
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
Noir. Mercenary Group
1371
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Posted - 2013.05.03 00:55:00 -
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Lol good times |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S.
RISE of LEGION
1343
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Posted - 2013.05.03 01:08:00 -
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Necro much? But I like this thread, had no whining in it, just jokes, banter and grumbling. |
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