DUST Search - HAVs aren't just vehicles... They're a class!

Takahiro Kashuken wrote:

Rei Shepard wrote:

Takahiro Kashuken wrote:

Rei Shepard wrote:

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tankers are highly specialized shock troops used for breaking lines and heavy fire suppression. a right hook if you must have an analogy.

Sadly the truth is, they don't want to to be fire supression or add a shock effect, they just want to be a deathsquad of 1 without a squad backing it so they can pad their KDR and have it be sustainable!

Absolute BS

I would love to be that right hook that smashes the frontline down, problem is AV auto seeking nades being spammed and taking all the HP off in seconds

So i know what you will reply 'well go in with infantry' then wtf am i doing here just send in the clones while i do nothing

Tanks now tho wont be smashing anything down, we will be near the redline in safety sniping you with a railgun while we watch you mostly die at objectives and are moaning about that 'camping *****' on to of the mountain when i could be down ther helping you but i will laugh

There are tanks that don't survive 3 standard AV grenades and then there are the tanks that only take 10% damage from all 3 combined. Clearly if you are in the first type you are doing it wrong.

1 packed AV kills a milita LAV, that is 1200+damage

If 3ppl carry them while i try to break the line thats easy over 10k of damage which will easily kill a surya and the nades never miss because they seek to the tank so i cannot avoid them at all

So you will say 'we kill them or get infantry to kill them' so if they are behind cover spamming i cant hit em but my infantry can so then the question is once again 'wtf am i doing here if i can send in the clones and get it doen without my tank being needed'

My place has been decided by complainers/idiots and its on the redline with a railgin

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General Grodd Killshot Corp 19	Posted - 2013.03.25 13:37:00 - [1] - Quote Tanks are not just vehicles! They are a class. Just like a heavy, or sniper is. They require sp to unlock them and Isk to buy them just like others. They have their advantages. They have -áweapons and enemies they counter, just as there are weapons and enemies that can counter them. Tanks have strategies and tactics we use just like everyone else. There shouldn't be tankless matches, if you're dying constantly by a tank, 1. He/She's -áa very skilled and intelligent tanker, or 2. You aren't trying to kill him. 3. both. And I'm sorry, but you shouldn't expect militia AV weapons to kill a well fitted level 1 or proto tank. If you don't like tanks skill into AV and actually try to fight tanks. Tanks are supposed to be powerful, destructive, anti infantry or anti vehicle war machines (depending on the kind of tank itself) -ánot -áfancy tin cans. Also this is still the beta, stop expecting everything to be completely working and fixed, because they simply aren't lol. "Tanks are the backbone of any ground force." -CCP-á
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2128	Posted - 2013.03.25 13:41:00 - [2] - Quote Heavy is a suit, not a class. Sniper is a weapon, not a class. HAV is a vehicle, not a class. Each of the above are tools with which you can build your own custom "class" within the game. +1, but you're wrong
ChromeBreaker SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 318	Posted - 2013.03.25 13:45:00 - [3] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Heavy is a suit, not a class. Sniper is a weapon, not a class. HAV is a vehicle, not a class. Each of the above are tools with which you can build your own custom "class" within the game. +1, but you're wrong Actually a Sniper is a class... it might be using a particular weapon but that doesnt mean anything you could spec into just heavies as well... making them a class... HAV's are a class of vehicle...
Justin Tymes Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 4	Posted - 2013.03.25 14:01:00 - [4] - Quote If HAV is a class, what are Dropships?
Coleman Gray RED COLONIAL MARINES Covert Intervention 121	Posted - 2013.03.25 14:03:00 - [5] - Quote Justin Tymes wrote: If HAV is a class, what are Dropships? Pilot class
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire 46	Posted - 2013.03.25 14:03:00 - [6] - Quote Justin Tymes wrote: If HAV is a class, what are Dropships? target practice
Calgoth Reborn United Front LLC 187	Posted - 2013.03.25 14:04:00 - [7] - Quote Justin Tymes wrote: If HAV is a class, what are Dropships? A metal Coffin
Coleman Gray RED COLONIAL MARINES Covert Intervention 121	Posted - 2013.03.25 14:04:00 - [8] - Quote calisk galern wrote: Justin Tymes wrote: If HAV is a class, what are Dropships? target practice "PULL!"
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 813	Posted - 2013.03.25 14:11:00 - [9] - Quote I should be depressed that you see dropships as such but it's sadly true right now
Purple Creeper Onslaught Inc 13	Posted - 2013.03.25 15:49:00 - [10] - Quote Afterburners aren't a secret ya know... Lol

Takahiro Kashuken Intara Direct Action Caldari State 164	Posted - 2013.03.25 16:03:00 - [11] - Quote Afterburners got nerfed Just like all vehicle mods yet again
ChromeBreaker SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 319	Posted - 2013.03.25 16:06:00 - [12] - Quote Justin Tymes wrote: If HAV is a class, what are Dropships? Dropships are a "class" of vehicle lol
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 815	Posted - 2013.03.25 16:09:00 - [13] - Quote ChromeBreaker wrote: Justin Tymes wrote: If HAV is a class, what are Dropships? Dropships are a "class" of vehicle lol The classiest
Volgair The Tritan Industries 245	Posted - 2013.03.25 16:46:00 - [14] - Quote Justin Tymes wrote: If HAV is a class, what are Dropships? If an HAV is a "class" then the Derpshit is as well, one that is woefully under powered, under armored and limited by WP returns. Let me elaborate- -Under powered by way of a limited sky box, small battle fields and the inability to survive environmental's such as a lightly tapping a building. -Under armored by way of the inability to provide a logistics roll under fire, or cross an open field, every drop ship can be two or three hit with a decent forge gun, and you have to sacrifice resistance or additional buffer for the ability to evade swarm. -Limited WP by way of the only way pilots get WP is to act like a gun ship. Something not currently possible since the missile nerf swarm buff and PG/CPU reduction. The only reason my pilots continue to buy and attempt to field them is for 2 reasons. First, flying high for a nest that takes another drop ship to reach you, which is expensive. One drop ship costs roughly the same as some matches incomes. The second is their own breed, they serve as the masochistic pilot that, dare i say it. Loves to fly for the sake of flying, and wishes every day for the ability to serve a roll other then that of a fish in a barrel.
Justin Tymes Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 4	Posted - 2013.03.25 17:08:00 - [15] - Quote Volgair wrote: Justin Tymes wrote: If HAV is a class, what are Dropships? The only reason my pilots continue to buy and attempt to field them is for 2 reasons. First, flying high for a nest that takes another drop ship to reach you, which is expensive. One drop ship costs roughly the same as some matches incomes. The second is their own breed, they serve as the masochistic pilot that, dare i say it. Loves to fly for the sake of flying, and wishes every day for the ability to serve a roll other then that of a fish in a barrel. The first is the main reasons why I am going to invest in dropships. That and sniper search/hunting. I just wish there was a Militia Dropship so I don't have to invest to do this.
Skihids The Tritan Industries 1091	Posted - 2013.03.25 17:11:00 - [16] - Quote How do you make a small fortune flying dropships? Start with a large fortune.
WyrmHero1945 IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 62	Posted - 2013.03.25 17:15:00 - [17] - Quote Justin Tymes wrote: Volgair wrote: Justin Tymes wrote: If HAV is a class, what are Dropships? The only reason my pilots continue to buy and attempt to field them is for 2 reasons. First, flying high for a nest that takes another drop ship to reach you, which is expensive. One drop ship costs roughly the same as some matches incomes. The second is their own breed, they serve as the masochistic pilot that, dare i say it. Loves to fly for the sake of flying, and wishes every day for the ability to serve a roll other then that of a fish in a barrel. The first is the main reasons why I am going to invest in dropships. That and sniper search/hunting. I just wish there was a Militia Dropship so I don't have to invest to do this. LOL there are, search well friend.
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1271	Posted - 2013.03.25 17:21:00 - [18] - Quote Skihids wrote: How do you make a small fortune flying dropships? Start with a large fortune. /thread
knight of 6 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 103	Posted - 2013.03.25 17:23:00 - [19] - Quote tanks aren't the back bone of anything. the back bone holds up the body. infantry specifically assault infantry is the back bone. that specializes further than assault infantry serves to support or perform a special task unsuited to infantry. tankers are highly specialized shock troops used for breaking lines and heavy fire suppression. a right hook if you must have an analogy.
Justin Tymes Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 4	Posted - 2013.03.25 17:36:00 - [20] - Quote WyrmHero1945 wrote: Justin Tymes wrote: Volgair wrote: Justin Tymes wrote: If HAV is a class, what are Dropships? The only reason my pilots continue to buy and attempt to field them is for 2 reasons. First, flying high for a nest that takes another drop ship to reach you, which is expensive. One drop ship costs roughly the same as some matches incomes. The second is their own breed, they serve as the masochistic pilot that, dare i say it. Loves to fly for the sake of flying, and wishes every day for the ability to serve a roll other then that of a fish in a barrel. The first is the main reasons why I am going to invest in dropships. That and sniper search/hunting. I just wish there was a Militia Dropship so I don't have to invest to do this. LOL there are, search well friend. You're right, I'm blind. Well, I guess there is no reason to invest now, considering I'm only using it to go from point A to point B.

Concept Proof HavoK Core 11	Posted - 2013.03.25 17:37:00 - [21] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: tanks aren't the back bone of anything. the back bone holds up the body. infantry specifically assault infantry is the back bone. that specializes further than assault infantry serves to support or perform a special task unsuited to infantry. tankers are highly specialized shock troops used for breaking lines and heavy fire suppression. a right hook if you must have an analogy. Or a convincing distraction.
Zekain Kade BetaMax. CRONOS. 1066	Posted - 2013.03.25 18:19:00 - [22] - Quote I have class.
Volgair The Tritan Industries 248	Posted - 2013.03.25 18:23:00 - [23] - Quote Zekain Kade wrote: I have class. Awful, just awful...
Harkon Vysarii Dead Six Initiative Daringly Inserting Large Dangerous Objects 84	Posted - 2013.03.25 18:26:00 - [24] - Quote Pilot suits will make them a proper class by ensuring that HAV drivers cant fight effectively on the ground. AKA we will see more tanks, but masps= bigger and long range AV will be more common place.
Skihids The Tritan Industries 1092	Posted - 2013.03.25 18:33:00 - [25] - Quote I agree with the OP in that driving should be seen as a seperate role from running on the ground. A HAV or DS should not be regarded as a mere piece of equipment usable by any infantryman in the same way as a nanohive might be. This game needs more distinct roles rather than fewer. We need to be on guard against turning this into DUST-AR where everyone is expected to start as an AR user and only tack on other bits as desired. That's the type of thinking that led to the call to make the SL into a sidearm.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 818	Posted - 2013.03.25 18:48:00 - [26] - Quote Skihids wrote: I agree with the OP in that driving should be seen as a seperate role from running on the ground. A HAV or DS should not be regarded as a mere piece of equipment usable by any infantryman in the same way as a nanohive might be. This game needs more distinct roles rather than fewer. We need to be on guard against turning this into DUST-AR where everyone is expected to start as an AR user and only tack on other bits as desired. That's the type of thinking that led to the call to make the SL into a sidearm. And it should hopefully stop the kittening blueberries from taking vehicles the have no idea how to use properly
Harkon Vysarii Dead Six Initiative Daringly Inserting Large Dangerous Objects 84	Posted - 2013.03.25 18:49:00 - [27] - Quote Skihids wrote: I agree with the OP in that driving should be seen as a seperate role from running on the ground. A HAV or DS should not be regarded as a mere piece of equipment usable by any infantryman in the same way as a nanohive might be. This game needs more distinct roles rather than fewer. We need to be on guard against turning this into DUST-AR where everyone is expected to start as an AR user and only tack on other bits as desired. That's the type of thinking that led to the call to make the SL into a sidearm. Well to be fair is any army Assault rifles will be prevalent due to capacity for long to mid range engagements, easy production, and durability. but besides that Dropships should be huge in future builds where maps are bigger and objectives fewer and far between. Imagine dropping down a 4 man team on an objective to secure it while your gunners hover overhead providing overwatch.
Chris F2112 Killshot Corp 18	Posted - 2013.03.25 19:31:00 - [28] - Quote Dropship gunning can be devastating against teams that are not running AV fits, I've gone 16-0 in several public games with my brother piloting. That said, once you start killing people about half of them pull out swarms and forge guns... then you are kind of screwed,
Icy Tiger Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 1371	Posted - 2013.05.03 00:55:00 - [29] - Quote Lol good times
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 1343	Posted - 2013.05.03 01:08:00 - [30] - Quote Necro much? But I like this thread, had no whining in it, just jokes, banter and grumbling.

Void Echo Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 69	Posted - 2013.05.03 01:19:00 - [31] - Quote General Grodd wrote: "Tanks are the backbone of any ground force." -CCP-á not anymore
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 383	Posted - 2013.05.03 09:13:00 - [32] - Quote Vehicle specialization is a class no matter what vehicle you are driving ergo HAVs are a specialized class ergo HAVs are a class That class is now the hardest in the game currently, the biggest SP/ISK sink with little rewards, our advanced tank is now a milita version with advanced slots You get to spend close to 1mil in SP to get a tank which is worse than the tank you are in
Rei Shepard Spectre II 176	Posted - 2013.05.03 09:33:00 - [33] - Quote Quote: tankers are highly specialized shock troops used for breaking lines and heavy fire suppression. a right hook if you must have an analogy. Sadly the truth is, they don't want to to be fire supression or add a shock effect, they just want to be a deathsquad of 1 without a squad backing it so they can pad their KDR and have it be sustainable!
Jason Pearson Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 929	Posted - 2013.05.03 09:37:00 - [34] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: Quote: tankers are highly specialized shock troops used for breaking lines and heavy fire suppression. a right hook if you must have an analogy. Sadly the truth is, they don't want to to be fire supression or add a shock effect, they just want to be a deathsquad of 1 without a squad backing it so they can pad their KDR and have it be sustainable! Clearly a tanker has ruined your day many times, so much that its made you cry everytime you see the words, because obviously you can't read what we're telling you, when we tell you what exactly we need to be and why we don't care about public stat padding games. All this AV v Vehicles is balanced off of public matches, come PC we're royally ******.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 385	Posted - 2013.05.03 09:39:00 - [35] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: Quote: tankers are highly specialized shock troops used for breaking lines and heavy fire suppression. a right hook if you must have an analogy. Sadly the truth is, they don't want to to be fire supression or add a shock effect, they just want to be a deathsquad of 1 without a squad backing it so they can pad their KDR and have it be sustainable! Absolute BS I would love to be that right hook that smashes the frontline down, problem is AV auto seeking nades being spammed and taking all the HP off in seconds So i know what you will reply 'well go in with infantry' then wtf am i doing here just send in the clones while i do nothing Tanks now tho wont be smashing anything down, we will be near the redline in safety sniping you with a railgun while we watch you mostly die at objectives and are moaning about that 'camping *****' on to of the mountain when i could be down ther helping you but i will laugh
Rei Shepard Spectre II 179	Posted - 2013.05.03 10:16:00 - [36] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: Quote: tankers are highly specialized shock troops used for breaking lines and heavy fire suppression. a right hook if you must have an analogy. Sadly the truth is, they don't want to to be fire supression or add a shock effect, they just want to be a deathsquad of 1 without a squad backing it so they can pad their KDR and have it be sustainable! Absolute BS I would love to be that right hook that smashes the frontline down, problem is AV auto seeking nades being spammed and taking all the HP off in seconds So i know what you will reply 'well go in with infantry' then wtf am i doing here just send in the clones while i do nothing Tanks now tho wont be smashing anything down, we will be near the redline in safety sniping you with a railgun while we watch you mostly die at objectives and are moaning about that 'camping ***' on to of the mountain when i could be down ther helping you but i will laugh There are tanks that don't survive 3 standard AV grenades and then there are the tanks that only take 10% damage from all 3 combined. Clearly if you are in the first type you are doing it wrong. Quote:** Clearly a tanker has ruined your day many times, so much that its made you cry everytime you see the words, because obviously you can't read what we're telling you, when we tell you what exactly we need to be and why we don't care about public stat padding games. Clearly opinion on your part, i die about once out of ten deaths to a tank and i die roughly 10 times in 5 games, give or take a few. While a tank should be powerfull when supported by infantry, it should fold whenever its not supported, right now scrubs drop 3-6 tanks in a public match and just roll over any opposition.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 388	Posted - 2013.05.03 10:24:00 - [37] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: Quote: tankers are highly specialized shock troops used for breaking lines and heavy fire suppression. a right hook if you must have an analogy. Sadly the truth is, they don't want to to be fire supression or add a shock effect, they just want to be a deathsquad of 1 without a squad backing it so they can pad their KDR and have it be sustainable! Absolute BS I would love to be that right hook that smashes the frontline down, problem is AV auto seeking nades being spammed and taking all the HP off in seconds So i know what you will reply 'well go in with infantry' then wtf am i doing here just send in the clones while i do nothing Tanks now tho wont be smashing anything down, we will be near the redline in safety sniping you with a railgun while we watch you mostly die at objectives and are moaning about that 'camping *****' on to of the mountain when i could be down ther helping you but i will laugh There are tanks that don't survive 3 standard AV grenades and then there are the tanks that only take 10% damage from all 3 combined. Clearly if you are in the first type you are doing it wrong. 1 packed AV kills a milita LAV, that is 1200+damage If 3ppl carry them while i try to break the line thats easy over 10k of damage which will easily kill a surya and the nades never miss because they seek to the tank so i cannot avoid them at all So you will say 'we kill them or get infantry to kill them' so if they are behind cover spamming i cant hit em but my infantry can so then the question is once again 'wtf am i doing here if i can send in the clones and get it doen without my tank being needed' My place has been decided by complainers/idiots and its on the redline with a railgin
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 388	Posted - 2013.05.03 10:29:00 - [38] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: Quote: tankers are highly specialized shock troops used for breaking lines and heavy fire suppression. a right hook if you must have an analogy. Sadly the truth is, they don't want to to be fire supression or add a shock effect, they just want to be a deathsquad of 1 without a squad backing it so they can pad their KDR and have it be sustainable! Absolute BS I would love to be that right hook that smashes the frontline down, problem is AV auto seeking nades being spammed and taking all the HP off in seconds So i know what you will reply 'well go in with infantry' then wtf am i doing here just send in the clones while i do nothing Tanks now tho wont be smashing anything down, we will be near the redline in safety sniping you with a railgun while we watch you mostly die at objectives and are moaning about that 'camping *****' on to of the mountain when i could be down ther helping you but i will laugh There are tanks that don't survive 3 standard AV grenades and then there are the tanks that only take 10% damage from all 3 combined. Clearly if you are in the first type you are doing it wrong. 1 packed AV kills a milita LAV, that is 1200+damage If 3ppl carry them while i try to break the line thats easy over 10k of damage which will easily kill a surya and the nades never miss because they seek to the tank so i cannot avoid them at all So you will say 'we kill them or get infantry to kill them' so if they are behind cover spamming i cant hit em but my infantry can so then the question is once again 'wtf am i doing here if i can send in the clones and get it doen without my tank being needed' My place has been decided by complainers/idiots and its on the redline with a railgin Packed AV can OHK a fully buffered Saga or Methana to be more accurate.


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