i noticed this too, btw compressed is bad for small, to much heat for the damage. double the damage for triple the the heat.

the rate of fire which you can do damage is over-all higher. last time i used the small 2 shots and was overheated 5-6 for the standard one and the small rails do not do a whole lot of damage. personally i don't like small rails and if im going for any kind of av i use missiles while blasters for everything else. i don't understand why large rail is 100% and small are 39% just seems off.

It's supposed to be a support Av weapon. But I do agree that it's inefficiency is quite low, and does not allow the weapon to actually fulfill it's roll in being a support AV weapon.


However, it's quite good against infantry.... Assuming you can hit them of course.

Actually I hit a heavy with it and all it took out were his shields. But I did manage to snipe with it.

My record for kills with it is around 8 kills.

Jes. Small railguns are worthless for everything. Anti-infantry? Not even splash damage for a general purpose weapon, and the charge time is too long to snipe effectively. I wouldn't mind if it was fire on release or if it fired instantly, but it seems to fail at being a railgun.

But I don't want it to be worthless for everything. It defeats the purpose of Hybrid Weapons!

I skilled into Hybrid Weapons so that I can have the best turret type for AV and Anti Infantry but not both combined. The Small Blaster is a phenomenal Anti Infantry weapon in the right hands. The Small Missile Turrets are just as effective against infantry than vehicles, but are less effective at infantry than Small blasters. Small blasters are worse AV than Small Missiles.

The Small Railgun is supposed to be better at AV than Missile turrets, but worse at Anti Infantry. But it's worse at both! That's what's screwed up. So people speccing into Small Hybrid Turrets are losing out compared to those speccing into Missiles.

All small turrets are broken

The range needs to be doubled so at least dropships can provide support without having to skip along the ground

Blasters are actually pretty damn good. Just a slight range boost is needed.

I equipped proto rails on my DS to try tank hunting. It was complete bust, and that was several weeks ago when they were weaker.

Missiles might work better, but I'm reluctant to invest in them again after being burned once. Now I'm waiting for laser turrets. They would compliment a DS perfectly, huge damage and you only have to brush your target to melt it so dropship stability is less an issue.

But if we get the Rails fixed, it'll work out fine!

so are cycled missiles, those things are insane against vehicles and are pretty decent against infantry when they can be bothered to hit.

I support this message. Even blueberries can kill people with prototype cycled missiles. Imagine what a competent gunner could do. Imagine the destruction!

this has beeing the case since forever. Small railguns are good for nothing. If you want a small turret as AV support then take small cyclic missiles you will get much better results out of that. I seriously cant see a point in using small railguns. Way to many drawbacks:

-they overheat
-they do for some miracle reason less damage against vehicles (lol their purpose is AV)
-slower rate of fire then cyclic missile turrets
- no blast radius at all
- even worse to use against infantry then missile launchers (and that means allready ALOT)

so what the heck are they good for? Somebody please explain me what the purpose of those things are? No AV capabilty, impossible to use against infantry. If i see a vehicle with small railguns i laugh like a maniac while jumping in a circle dodging every railgun shot of it.

To fix the small railguns or not to fix the railguns,
Personally im not sure i want them fixed. Since i cannot eject stupid gunners i tend to run with low level railguns on my DS. However, if i have a corp team ill run the good stuff but never rails, i do the adv blaster one side and cycled missile adv on the other.

I run the low level railguns because the newberies get bored quickly.

Missiles used to be great against infantry, but the nerf put an end to that so I skilled into hybrids like you to equip one blaster and one rail only to find that the blaster was every bit as good as the rail at AV. That was the second time I was burned.
Now I laugh at a DS if it comes at me with anything but blasters. I can do as much return damage with my MD.

I'm pretty sure CCP doesn't want an effective small turret for the same reason infantry can't shoot from a vehicle. They don't want the ducks shooting back at the customers in the shooting gallery.

Actually... Small railguns are just as hilariously broken as Missiles.

The 'reduced' efficiency against vehicles is about the same thing as the reduced splash damage for small missiles.

As soon as that gets 'fixed' the hilariousness of their power will become apparent. Look at their base damage? Some of them get close to 570 if memory serves. Last time I ballparked the math, with good skills and damage mods, someone can get just under 1500 direct damage with small rails! They can instantly kill any infantry when skilled up, not to mention how devastating they will be against other vehicles?

Missiles are in the same boat. They were completely overpowered, but instead of addressing the damage that could OHK everything, they just reduced splash range to a 'useless' level and kept the damage pretty much the same.

As soon as small turrets get 'fixed' people will see how broken they are in a completely different way.

It was that high advertised base damage that suckered me into buying small rails for my DS.

It was that high advertised base damage that suckered me into buying small rails for my DS. Then my gunner reported it useless against a low level HAV. He didn't mention the 1/3 effectiveness or I would have realized why the AV weapon was useless against vehicles.

Isn't the point of a mounted gun to be more powerful than an infantry weapon? Why else pay the high fitting and ISK cost? If cheap hand held guns do as well or better just pull them from the game and let me equip the infantry weapons.

I'll be happy to duct tape a FG on one side of my ship and a MD on the other. Then I'll be good for AI and AV. Maybe that will be the racial bonus for the Minmitar DS.

As soon as that gets 'fixed' the hilariousness of their power will become apparent. Look at their base damage? Some of them get close to 570 if memory serves. Last time I ballparked the math, with good skills and damage mods, someone can get just under 1500 direct damage with small rails! They can instantly kill any infantry when skilled up, not to mention how devastating they will be against other vehicles?

[FEEDBACK] Small Railguns: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?find=unread&g=posts&t=65499
Update: The dev team will investigate this further.

Success!

How is the Dev investigation going if at all?

Making the small rails do full damage to vehicles will make Dropships and LAVs viable AV platforms. Air to air fights might actually be interesting, dropships can ward off tanks for a short time, and STD/Scout LAVs could possibly fight off death taxis (remember, the LLAV gets a 50% reduction to turret damage, so it won't be a problem).

I already blow up tanks with me incubus with XT-1's or 20GJ Ion Cannons.

id say buff the efficiency rating against vehicles to around 50%.


as for now i think im going to stick with cycled missile turrets on my gorgon.
they have worked for the random blueberries so far.