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Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
682
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Posted - 2013.03.24 02:18:00 -
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So I always knew this whole build that small railguns are broken. But I went to figure out how much.
So I brought out a Compressed Small Railgun and tested it on some turret installations and even a HAV
- No matter how varied the range, the efficiency rating stayed at 39%, on an AV weapon
- The damage I got out of 412.5 was 115. That's without skills though. I have turret Op. at level 4 and Small Hybrid at level 2, so the damage if efficiency at 100% should've been: 412.5 x 1.08 x 1.06=472.23
- So my efficiency without skills was actually 28% and with skills should've been 24%.
Is it me or does that seem severely broken for an AV weapon? |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative Daringly Inserting Large Dangerous Objects
36
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Posted - 2013.03.24 02:33:00 -
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i noticed this too, btw compressed is bad for small, to much heat for the damage. double the damage for triple the the heat. |
Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
682
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Posted - 2013.03.24 02:35:00 -
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ladwar wrote:i noticed this too, btw compressed is bad for small, to much heat for the damage. double the damage for triple the the heat. Yes but bigger numbers usually equate to less decimals and rounding. Tried it for precision. |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative Daringly Inserting Large Dangerous Objects
36
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Posted - 2013.03.24 02:45:00 -
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the rate of fire which you can do damage is over-all higher. last time i used the small 2 shots and was overheated 5-6 for the standard one and the small rails do not do a whole lot of damage. personally i don't like small rails and if im going for any kind of av i use missiles while blasters for everything else. i don't understand why large rail is 100% and small are 39% just seems off. |
Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
682
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Posted - 2013.03.24 03:11:00 -
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ladwar wrote:the rate of fire which you can do damage is over-all higher. last time i used the small 2 shots and was overheated 5-6 for the standard one and the small rails do not do a whole lot of damage. personally i don't like small rails and if im going for any kind of av i use missiles while blasters for everything else. i don't understand why large rail is 100% and small are 39% just seems off. It seems off that an AV weapon does less than 39% damage to a vehicle |
Zekain Kade
BetaMax. CRONOS.
1050
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Posted - 2013.03.24 03:36:00 -
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It's supposed to be a support Av weapon. But I do agree that it's inefficiency is quite low, and does not allow the weapon to actually fulfill it's roll in being a support AV weapon.
However, it's quite good against infantry.... Assuming you can hit them of course. |
Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
682
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Posted - 2013.03.24 03:41:00 -
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Zekain Kade wrote:It's supposed to be a support Av weapon. But I do agree that it's inefficiency is quite low, and does not allow the weapon to actually fulfill it's roll in being a support AV weapon.
However, it's quite good against infantry.... Assuming you can hit them of course. Actually I hit a heavy with it and all it took out were his shields. But I did manage to snipe with it. |
Zekain Kade
BetaMax. CRONOS.
1050
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Posted - 2013.03.24 03:48:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:Zekain Kade wrote:It's supposed to be a support Av weapon. But I do agree that it's inefficiency is quite low, and does not allow the weapon to actually fulfill it's roll in being a support AV weapon.
However, it's quite good against infantry.... Assuming you can hit them of course. Actually I hit a heavy with it and all it took out were his shields. But I did manage to snipe with it. My record for kills with it is around 8 kills.] and 3 deaths.
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gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
802
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Posted - 2013.03.24 05:06:00 -
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Zekain Kade wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:Zekain Kade wrote:It's supposed to be a support Av weapon. But I do agree that it's inefficiency is quite low, and does not allow the weapon to actually fulfill it's roll in being a support AV weapon.
However, it's quite good against infantry.... Assuming you can hit them of course. Actually I hit a heavy with it and all it took out were his shields. But I did manage to snipe with it. My record for kills with it is around 8 kills. mines 1, their terrible turrets and with small turrets weird hit detection they're almost useless. the only thing they seem to do well is **** off dropship pilots. |
Ulysses Knapse
Nuevo Atlas Corporation
144
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Posted - 2013.03.24 05:57:00 -
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Jes. Small railguns are worthless for everything. Anti-infantry? Not even splash damage for a general purpose weapon, and the charge time is too long to snipe effectively. I wouldn't mind if it was fire on release or if it fired instantly, but it seems to fail at being a railgun. |
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Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
682
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Posted - 2013.03.24 07:51:00 -
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Ulysses Knapse wrote:Jes. Small railguns are worthless for everything. Anti-infantry? Not even splash damage for a general purpose weapon, and the charge time is too long to snipe effectively. I wouldn't mind if it was fire on release or if it fired instantly, but it seems to fail at being a railgun. But I don't want it to be worthless for everything. It defeats the purpose of Hybrid Weapons!
I skilled into Hybrid Weapons so that I can have the best turret type for AV and Anti Infantry but not both combined. The Small Blaster is a phenomenal Anti Infantry weapon in the right hands. The Small Missile Turrets are just as effective against infantry than vehicles, but are less effective at infantry than Small blasters. Small blasters are worse AV than Small Missiles.
The Small Railgun is supposed to be better at AV than Missile turrets, but worse at Anti Infantry. But it's worse at both! That's what's screwed up. So people speccing into Small Hybrid Turrets are losing out compared to those speccing into Missiles. |
RINON114
B.S.A.A.
70
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Posted - 2013.03.24 12:30:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:Ulysses Knapse wrote:Jes. Small railguns are worthless for everything. Anti-infantry? Not even splash damage for a general purpose weapon, and the charge time is too long to snipe effectively. I wouldn't mind if it was fire on release or if it fired instantly, but it seems to fail at being a railgun. But I don't want it to be worthless for everything. It defeats the purpose of Hybrid Weapons! I skilled into Hybrid Weapons so that I can have the best turret type for AV and Anti Infantry but not both combined. The Small Blaster is a phenomenal Anti Infantry weapon in the right hands. The Small Missile Turrets are just as effective against infantry than vehicles, but are less effective at infantry than Small blasters. Small blasters are worse AV than Small Missiles. The Small Railgun is supposed to be better at AV than Missile turrets, but worse at Anti Infantry. But it's worse at both! That's what's screwed up. So people speccing into Small Hybrid Turrets are losing out compared to those speccing into Missiles. Uh oh, I bought one last night to try it out and I haven't been invested enough in a match to call the tank yet. Maybe I should change it given this new info... |
Takahiro Kashuken
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
157
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Posted - 2013.03.24 13:56:00 -
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All small turrets are broken
The range needs to be doubled so at least dropships can provide support without having to skip along the ground |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1134
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Posted - 2013.03.24 14:23:00 -
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Last build I tried blowing up a starter fit LAV with a prototype small rail. Took about 10 shots. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1134
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Posted - 2013.03.24 14:24:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:All small turrets are broken
The range needs to be doubled so at least dropships can provide support without having to skip along the ground Blasters are actually pretty damn good. Just a slight range boost is needed. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
804
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Posted - 2013.03.24 15:48:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:All small turrets are broken
The range needs to be doubled so at least dropships can provide support without having to skip along the ground Blasters are actually pretty damn good. Just a slight range boost is needed. so are cycled missiles, those things are insane against vehicles and are pretty decent against infantry when they can be bothered to hit. |
Skihids
The Tritan Industries
1091
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Posted - 2013.03.24 16:42:00 -
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I equipped proto rails on my DS to try tank hunting. It was complete bust, and that was several weeks ago when they were weaker.
Missiles might work better, but I'm reluctant to invest in them again after being burned once. Now I'm waiting for laser turrets. They would compliment a DS perfectly, huge damage and you only have to brush your target to melt it so dropship stability is less an issue. |
Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
693
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Posted - 2013.03.25 06:44:00 -
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woops, can't let this go unseen. This is important stuff. |
Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
695
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Posted - 2013.03.25 20:52:00 -
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Skihids wrote:I equipped proto rails on my DS to try tank hunting. It was complete bust, and that was several weeks ago when they were weaker.
Missiles might work better, but I'm reluctant to invest in them again after being burned once. Now I'm waiting for laser turrets. They would compliment a DS perfectly, huge damage and you only have to brush your target to melt it so dropship stability is less an issue. But if we get the Rails fixed, it'll work out fine! |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.03.25 20:56:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:Skihids wrote:I equipped proto rails on my DS to try tank hunting. It was complete bust, and that was several weeks ago when they were weaker.
Missiles might work better, but I'm reluctant to invest in them again after being burned once. Now I'm waiting for laser turrets. They would compliment a DS perfectly, huge damage and you only have to brush your target to melt it so dropship stability is less an issue. But if we get the Rails fixed, it'll work out fine! To be honest the mental image of a dropship flying around shooting lasers is just so cool I'm going to have to try it at least once. |
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Stefan Stahl
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
43
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Posted - 2013.03.25 21:10:00 -
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gbghg wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:All small turrets are broken
The range needs to be doubled so at least dropships can provide support without having to skip along the ground Blasters are actually pretty damn good. Just a slight range boost is needed. so are cycled missiles, those things are insane against vehicles and are pretty decent against infantry when they can be bothered to hit. I support this message. Even blueberries can kill people with prototype cycled missiles. Imagine what a competent gunner could do. Imagine the destruction! |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.03.25 21:17:00 -
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Stefan Stahl wrote:gbghg wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:All small turrets are broken
The range needs to be doubled so at least dropships can provide support without having to skip along the ground Blasters are actually pretty damn good. Just a slight range boost is needed. so are cycled missiles, those things are insane against vehicles and are pretty decent against infantry when they can be bothered to hit. I support this message. Even blueberries can kill people with prototype cycled missiles. Imagine what a competent gunner could do. Imagine the destruction! I like to run 1 adv cycled on my dropship so I can remove turrets, LAV's and other things capable of killing me from the field, and I fit an adv blaster to the other side to deal with infantry. It's a very effective combo. |
Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
752
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Posted - 2013.03.29 16:50:00 -
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Must go seen! |
Ulysses Knapse
Nuevo Atlas Corporation
155
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Posted - 2013.03.29 17:40:00 -
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Yes, current Small Railguns are very bad! They need to have less charge up time and more damage against vehicles, only then will they be usable. |
The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1183
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Posted - 2013.03.29 18:18:00 -
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this has beeing the case since forever. Small railguns are good for nothing. If you want a small turret as AV support then take small cyclic missiles you will get much better results out of that. I seriously cant see a point in using small railguns. Way to many drawbacks:
-they overheat -they do for some miracle reason less damage against vehicles (lol their purpose is AV) -slower rate of fire then cyclic missile turrets - no blast radius at all - even worse to use against infantry then missile launchers (and that means allready ALOT)
so what the heck are they good for? Somebody please explain me what the purpose of those things are? No AV capabilty, impossible to use against infantry. If i see a vehicle with small railguns i laugh like a maniac while jumping in a circle dodging every railgun shot of it. |
Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
764
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Posted - 2013.04.01 18:32:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:this has beeing the case since forever. Small railguns are good for nothing. If you want a small turret as AV support then take small cyclic missiles you will get much better results out of that. I seriously cant see a point in using small railguns. Way to many drawbacks:
-they overheat -they do for some miracle reason less damage against vehicles (lol their purpose is AV) -slower rate of fire then cyclic missile turrets - no blast radius at all - even worse to use against infantry then missile launchers (and that means allready ALOT)
so what the heck are they good for? Somebody please explain me what the purpose of those things are? No AV capabilty, impossible to use against infantry. If i see a vehicle with small railguns i laugh like a maniac while jumping in a circle dodging every railgun shot of it. That's my point! They're supposed to be AV but good for nothing! |
CPL Bloodstone
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
43
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Posted - 2013.04.01 18:59:00 -
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To fix the small railguns or not to fix the railguns, Personally im not sure i want them fixed. Since i cannot eject stupid gunners i tend to run with low level railguns on my DS. However, if i have a corp team ill run the good stuff but never rails, i do the adv blaster one side and cycled missile adv on the other.
I run the low level railguns because the newberies get bored quickly.
low level meaning derp guns, militia style |
Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
765
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Posted - 2013.04.01 19:03:00 -
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CPL Bloodstone wrote:To fix the small railguns or not to fix the railguns, Personally im not sure i want them fixed. Since i cannot eject stupid gunners i tend to run with low level railguns on my DS. However, if i have a corp team ill run the good stuff but never rails, i do the adv blaster one side and cycled missile adv on the other.
I run the low level railguns because the newberies get bored quickly. Solution: Militia Railguns
Man I want Railguns to be good |
Skihids
The Tritan Industries
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Posted - 2013.04.01 19:50:00 -
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Missiles used to be great against infantry, but the nerf put an end to that so I skilled into hybrids like you to equip one blaster and one rail only to find that the blaster was every bit as good as the rail at AV. That was the second time I was burned. Now I laugh at a DS if it comes at me with anything but blasters. I can do as much return damage with my MD.
I'm pretty sure CCP doesn't want an effective small turret for the same reason infantry can't shoot from a vehicle. They don't want the ducks shooting back at the customers in the shooting gallery. |
Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
766
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Posted - 2013.04.01 20:38:00 -
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Skihids wrote:Missiles used to be great against infantry, but the nerf put an end to that so I skilled into hybrids like you to equip one blaster and one rail only to find that the blaster was every bit as good as the rail at AV. That was the second time I was burned. Now I laugh at a DS if it comes at me with anything but blasters. I can do as much return damage with my MD.
I'm pretty sure CCP doesn't want an effective small turret for the same reason infantry can't shoot from a vehicle. They don't want the ducks shooting back at the customers in the shooting gallery. Yet they force LAVs and DS to have them when the CPU/PG could be used elsewhere at the rate of worthlessness they're going at. |
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