Try standing in front of a tank while getting a lock-on. Try locking-on to anything with infantry shooting at you. What was that about no skill?

Try cover, and vermaak it touched me all over, in fact I got touched multiple times

Try cover, and vermaak it touched me all over, in fact I got touched multiple times

Might be worth beta testing a change to swarm launchers that makes the user have to guide and steer the missiles once their in the air. An equally no skill counter for dropships though would suffice.

I would consider using cover to be a skill, as well as common sense. Still won't save you from all the infantry who know where you are everytime you fire the thing.

You say that as if it isn't balanced, there's no way for it to kill infantry and therefore outside of cqb scenarios the user is helpless and it also has a huge chance to give away where it's launched from

Situational awareness=/=Weapon skill. .

I'm a troll? And you despise me?

not you, i was talking about vermaaks "show me on the doll where the swarm launcher touched you" and I hate the troll not the troller

I say it because i despise that troll and personally I think swarms are rather well balanced right now, the only thing that needs fixing is their tracking which is frankly ridiculous, and the lack of counters for dropships which are effectively the pinata of the sky as soon as anyone gets AV of any kind.

So this thread is pointless, we already know this Sl is broken outside of fighting tanks

Situational awareness is important with all weapons, but I would say it's more important with SLs because they have to lock on and can't just dumb-fire.

the SL requires no player skill to operate. All the user has to do is point the weapon in the general direction of the target and pull the trigger once lock-on is achieved. ItGÇÖs fire and forget.

Man, I thought this thread was going to be about lasers....

Anyway, being that I've recently picked up dropship piloting...the swarm launchers aren't so bad. They have limited range and won't OHK an equipped dropship. Swarm launcher users are debilitated since they have the SL as a primary and only a sidearm to fend off other infantry with. It is hard bringing out your SL because you are now easy kills for infantry. The only time you're protected is if you are launching SLs from the spawn. But a counter to that from the dropship is simple.....stay away from flying close to their spawn.

Dropship pilots do need a lock-on warning of some sort instead of a swirl in the wind. BF3 was good with that, because you got the sound that you were being locked on and another when the rockets were let go. They also added flares which this game doesn't have either.

The specifics here are about the SL, but I'd like to get back to the general case.

Using the slot machine analogy,

1) How frequently should the machine payout (get a hit) for every pull of the lever?

2) How often should that result in a jackpot (target kill)?

Are you calling the SL a luck based weapon? Not sure I'm understanding here, cause SLs don't magically do more damage every now and then so...

-_- You can't claim a no skill weapon takes skill because of situational awareness. That's just common sense. The weapon itself takes no skill to use. If you are on my screen you are getting hit. I use the std swarms from time to time and just smash tanks. Blew up Exmaples tank with std swarms and damage mods. By myself with no squad...

SL needs to be looked at ccp.

Just implement counter-flares, problem solved.

The later you activate them, the more chance of successfully shaking off the swarm, but you risk getting blown up if you're too late with it.

Try standing in front of a tank while getting a lock-on. Try locking-on to anything with infantry shooting at you. What was that about no skill?

Try cover, and vermaak it touched me all over, in fact I got touched multiple times

situational awareness=/=Weapon skill. The SL takes no skill and does an insane amount of damage. It needs to be looked at. If non skill AV does this much damage then tankers/pilots really need to worried about the skill based AV we will be getting in the future.

This is coming from an infantry only player btw. You will never see me in a tank/dropship unless I stole it.

I say it because i despise that troll and personally I think swarms are rather well balanced right now, the only thing that needs fixing is their tracking which is frankly ridiculous, and the lack of counters for dropships which are effectively the pinata of the sky as soon as anyone gets AV of any kind.

Proto-launcher + no lock + point blank = Dead Sagaris in less than 3 seconds or maybe some of you tankers forgot those days.

Anyways...



5 Give Infantry a Dumbfire missile launcher (IE Plasma Launcher) that does FAR more damage than the SL.





16 Give forge guns a tracer effect


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tottally agree with everything else saber, however, for #5-it's called the forge gun

and #16, why would it have a tracer?, it's basically a rail gun, going to fast to see, you can pretty much find who shot it at you, the fat suit standing around praying you don't notice him as he can't really move and shoot at the same time

Show me where the SL touched you on the doll

^this

Must everyone trot out this tired trope every time balance is discussed?

I didn't call for it to be removed, I asked if it were appropriate to have a no skill weapon in a skill based FPS. The SL certainly exhibits no skill properties, especially vs. dropships. But hey, if no skill weapons are fine lets let them lock on to dropsuits as well. You wouldn't mind that because they are so vulnerable to CQC and woud take great skill to lock on o a running merc who is close up. It would have the same challenges as the laser so no complaints about not having vulnerabilities.

Perhaps it could be a variant that sacrifices two missiles for the added scanner tech to lock on to the smaller signature of a dropsuit. That way it would take two flights to kill a top tier dropsuit.

or you realize that there is skill in using them properly, calculating where the target is going to be, where the missiles are going to impact them, obstructions, speed. it's a lot harder than the point and shoot forge gun when you start really getting into it.

I have SP in the gun and I'm going to have to disagree with ya there.

Just implement counter-flares, problem solved.

The later you activate them, the more chance of successfully shaking off the swarm, but you risk getting blown up if you're too late with it.

exactly. dropships should be able to equip a countermeasures module. basic would have flares, enhanced would have flares and a lock on warning and complex comes with all that and a cappuccino dispenser, i don't know.
yeah, complex comes with more flares.