DUST Search - How Do you guys remain ISK positive?

Marston VC wrote:

Dustbunny Durrr wrote:

I've read in a couple posts now that getting ISK isn't the problem. I don't see how this is the case, especially when people start using proto suits and meta 5 gear. I typically use mostly meta 3 gear on my fits, and am only slightly isk positive. Unless there is something I'm missing, wouldn't 2 deaths without being picked up by a medic turn the a proto/meta 5 match into negative ISK territory?

Any thoughts?

Use good gear and dont die.....
Or, use very cheap gear and dont die.....

My b-series fit (good gear) has about 670 total Hp but costs 60k isk per life. If i dont die with it, i have the potential of making a ton of money per round.

My raven assault type 1 suit (cheap fit) has roughly 500 total Hp and only costs 9k - 15k (depending on weather i use the exile or LR). Granted, i use a lot of BPO's on it so if you replaced them with isk varients it would cost close to 15k - 20k per suit, but thats still pretty good for a suit with 500 hp. (lol its armor tanked as well).

Really it comes down to just not dying. The best way i can describe it is to play as a *****. If your not fighting to hold an objective, then there shouldn't be any problem with running away. If your in a three on one situation, kill what you can but run as soon as your start taking damage. Turn the fight into a defensive fight (on your side) and you will almost always win. Playing defensively isn't always as rewarding as playing offensively, but the payouts are much more consistant.

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Dustbunny Durrr ReD or DeaD 1	Posted - 2013.03.22 20:44:00 - [1] - Quote I've read in a couple posts now that getting ISK isn't the problem. I don't see how this is the case, especially when people start using proto suits and meta 5 gear. I typically use mostly meta 3 gear on my fits, and am only slightly isk positive. Unless there is something I'm missing, wouldn't 2 deaths without being picked up by a medic turn the a proto/meta 5 match into negative ISK territory? Any thoughts?
Grezkev The Red Guards 125	Posted - 2013.03.22 20:46:00 - [2] - Quote 1) Don't use Proto kits in pub games 2) Always play with your corp (3-4 player groups) 3) Don't die so much
Idye Lotz xCosmic Voidx 4	Posted - 2013.03.22 20:47:00 - [3] - Quote Spend some real money? For the junk B.P. fits Depending on class, a person can do alright with a milta suit and a higher rated gun.
Kitten Commander Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 90	Posted - 2013.03.22 20:50:00 - [4] - Quote Create fits in the 20-30k range, dont die more than 5 times... positive ISK Its simple math really The average payout you make in a game / average deaths in a game = max cost you should have per suit
GarryKE Psygod9 60	Posted - 2013.03.22 20:51:00 - [5] - Quote Join a squad who are using communication and proto everything for a few hours of public matches like everybody else seems to do before bragging on the forums how they have 50 million ISK to spare.
Daedric Lothar Onslaught Inc 18	Posted - 2013.03.22 20:51:00 - [6] - Quote I usually keep money by sniping with just a basic kit with some damage enchancers and a sniper rifle with nothing else. Or I'll put on a newb suit with a laser rifle, which is basically still sniping. So yea, sniping. die less, make more.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 146	Posted - 2013.03.22 20:52:00 - [7] - Quote Switch to cheap or free fits once you've passed your "quota" of expensive fits.
mikegunnz Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz 469	Posted - 2013.03.22 20:53:00 - [8] - Quote If you're capable of dying only once, maybe twice, you'll be isk positive using proto gear. If you die more than that, then you shouldn't be using proto gear for pubs. (at least not often) Just spend the majority of your time using either militia or standard level gear. You'll generally be isk positive that way. The high-end gear isn't meant to be a permanent advantage unless your really good. (good enough to rarely die) A lot of people even use lower-end gear, not because they wouldn't be isk positive otherwise, but because they choose to bank a lot of isk. (this way its a non-factor when in corp matches or in pubs facing large groups of good players using high-end gear)
Medic 1879 The Tritan Industries 86	Posted - 2013.03.22 20:54:00 - [9] - Quote Use cheap or starter fits I use a cheap logi-suit for most battles and I consistantly go ISK positive. I am not too fussed about KDR being a logi, but I usually go positive and even if I dont a good logi is a wp goldmine and the higher you finish the more ISK you get. Dont just go for kills go for anything thhat gives you wp I have finished first in a battle before on 10/10ish but gone about 2700wp so I finished first and got about 320k ISK ish and seen as my suits cost about 10k thats about 220k profit.
Crimson Moon V Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 241	Posted - 2013.03.22 20:57:00 - [10] - Quote Grezkev wrote: 3) Don't die so much I am running B series atm so I can be reckless and have fun with the game. I will be proto in a few days and I just plan to change my playstyle a bit so that I never die. Right now I play the game like an attack dog always sprinting and shooting nerds in the face. 17-2>9-0 tbqh. Fun gameplay>isk and kdr

LJG XX Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 3	Posted - 2013.03.22 20:57:00 - [11] - Quote Dustbunny Durrr wrote: I've read in a couple posts now that getting ISK isn't the problem. I don't see how this is the case, especially when people start using proto suits and meta 5 gear. I typically use mostly meta 3 gear on my fits, and am only slightly isk positive. Unless there is something I'm missing, wouldn't 2 deaths without being picked up by a medic turn the a proto/meta 5 match into negative ISK territory? Any thoughts? Try tanks, EXPENSIVE!!
Val'herik Dorn SyNergy Gaming 359	Posted - 2013.03.22 20:59:00 - [12] - Quote My tactic is simple use a scout suit with a shotgun... cheap it out as much as possible... find the black suits... kill the black suits... its simple. we kill the black suits! The more expensive gear you kill the better your payout. :)
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2091	Posted - 2013.03.22 21:00:00 - [13] - Quote Just because you CAN run something, doesn't mean you have to ONLY use that gear. Secret to never having ISK worries right there.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 326	Posted - 2013.03.22 21:02:00 - [14] - Quote Dustbunny Durrr wrote: I've read in a couple posts now that getting ISK isn't the problem. I don't see how this is the case, especially when people start using proto suits and meta 5 gear. I typically use mostly meta 3 gear on my fits, and am only slightly isk positive. Unless there is something I'm missing, wouldn't 2 deaths without being picked up by a medic turn the a proto/meta 5 match into negative ISK territory? Any thoughts? I honestly don't know how I manage it. I die way more often than is financially viable, but somehow I manage to bounce around a million isk. All of my fits have an expensive & cheap version, perhaps I'm wise enough to know when to switch between them, but it sure doesn't feel that way.
Sextus Hardcock Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz 114	Posted - 2013.03.22 21:08:00 - [15] - Quote Positive thinking and regular excercise.
Spyder Spyra SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 1	Posted - 2013.03.22 21:13:00 - [16] - Quote I must be doing something right. I have 60million isk saved up. I use type 2 and type A and Duvolle suites regularly.
Bones McGavins Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 37	Posted - 2013.03.22 21:50:00 - [17] - Quote Remaining ISK positive just requires putting away the fancy toys after you lose them. No, you cant lose two protos in a game and get money, but you CAN lose one, maybe 2-3 mid level fits and then a bunch of low level stuff and break even. Since my skills arent high yet I cant use expensive gear (most expensive item i carry is the guage uplink) but even I pull back financially after I lose a heavy or said guage uplink or two.
Buzzwords Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION 440	Posted - 2013.03.22 21:54:00 - [18] - Quote you could always sit AFK in the MCC. free isk, no risk. and we thought they were just d-bags for afk farming skillpoints...
Vanda-Kon KILLSTAR CO. 95	Posted - 2013.03.22 21:55:00 - [19] - Quote Know when to be aggressive and when to be conservative. Count what your suits costs, set standards for how many times you are willing to die in those suits. Hop in some else's tank for a little while. Where the packs of red dots are going in a losing match go the opposite way and make survival more of a priority than objectives. Learn to hide. And be patient. On a winning match, don't always redline as getting more kills is fun, but being sniped one or two times might cost you that profit margin.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1123	Posted - 2013.03.22 22:00:00 - [20] - Quote Play cautiously, and don't spend much on a fitting until you're confident in the general setup and used to the feel of it.

Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 188	Posted - 2013.03.22 22:08:00 - [21] - Quote Spend your SP on skills that grant passive improvements, rather than on ones that unlock new gear. You can get almost as much mileage out of T1 gear with good skills as with proto gear and no skills other than the unlock.
Rei Shepard Spectre II 97	Posted - 2013.03.22 22:52:00 - [22] - Quote Stop dying so much, ive been running the most expensive suit i could wear each game and i am at 80 mil isk, suit atm costs 120k and i preferbly play at the "in your face" range... How many times on average do you kick the bucket in a match?
2100 Angels The Southern Legion 22	Posted - 2013.03.22 23:02:00 - [23] - Quote I used to be ISK negative. Then i switched to a militia assault suit and charge sniper rifle and grinding ambush matches. Very easy way to make money!
Marston VC SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 132	Posted - 2013.03.22 23:03:00 - [24] - Quote Dustbunny Durrr wrote: I've read in a couple posts now that getting ISK isn't the problem. I don't see how this is the case, especially when people start using proto suits and meta 5 gear. I typically use mostly meta 3 gear on my fits, and am only slightly isk positive. Unless there is something I'm missing, wouldn't 2 deaths without being picked up by a medic turn the a proto/meta 5 match into negative ISK territory? Any thoughts? Use good gear and dont die..... Or, use very cheap gear and dont die..... My b-series fit (good gear) has about 670 total Hp but costs 60k isk per life. If i dont die with it, i have the potential of making a ton of money per round. My raven assault type 1 suit (cheap fit) has roughly 500 total Hp and only costs 9k - 15k (depending on weather i use the exile or LR). Granted, i use a lot of BPO's on it so if you replaced them with isk varients it would cost close to 15k - 20k per suit, but thats still pretty good for a suit with 500 hp. (lol its armor tanked as well). Really it comes down to just not dying. The best way i can describe it is to play as a *****. If your not fighting to hold an objective, then there shouldn't be any problem with running away. If your in a three on one situation, kill what you can but run as soon as your start taking damage. Turn the fight into a defensive fight (on your side) and you will almost always win. Playing defensively isn't always as rewarding as playing offensively, but the payouts are much more consistant.
Sobriety Denied FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED TACNET 501	Posted - 2013.03.22 23:07:00 - [25] - Quote only pull out expensive fits when you have good squad support and forsee yourself not dying in it. spawn first in cheap fit and increase accordingly. OMS is your friend (supply depot)
Boomer Dues Mortis D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION 47	Posted - 2013.03.22 23:17:00 - [26] - Quote I run a type 2 heavy suit the total thing costs about 46k a suit. I rarely die so I have 70m banked with 100 of my type 2 suits and 100 suits for corp matches that cost 170k each.
DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 2115	Posted - 2013.03.22 23:21:00 - [27] - Quote Don't put a single skill point into dropships
IRuby Heart DIOS EX. 460	Posted - 2013.03.22 23:22:00 - [28] - Quote I get paid by numerous of corps out there in millions to Infiltrate, Spy, Sabotage or Disband other Corps or Rivals. It's a good job, pays the bills, it's hard making friends though and life is a constant struggle of juggling different identities and roles. The last Corp i infiltrated I ended up falling in love with a mercenary that I would eventually have to hold hostage and kill as ordered by my client. I'll never forget her face and the last word she said to me before she died.
Sobriety Denied FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED TACNET 503	Posted - 2013.03.22 23:35:00 - [29] - Quote i run assault-II in skirmish to save isk for Bsuits/protoMD, run assault-B in ambush since kills matter in ambush, skirmish i make isk with cheap fit and i dont care about the kdr since it's not recorded ambush i make more isk with expensive fit that survives well plus i practiced in skirmish with a lesser fit before playing ambush with best fit +refrain from buying more dropships = isk accumulates
Booby Tuesdays THE DOLLARS 41	Posted - 2013.03.22 23:38:00 - [30] - Quote Val'herik Dorn wrote: My tactic is simple use a scout suit with a shotgun... cheap it out as much as possible... find the black suits... kill the black suits... its simple. we kill the black suits! The more expensive gear you kill the better your payout. :) What I want to know is why I don't get better payouts for SAVING said expensive suits as a Logi. I'm not in the business of destroying, unless you walk in front of my Mass Driver while I'm trying to revive and repair my team... To the OP, use the free fits until you get a good feel for your role in combat. Only use your good fits if you have a good team behind you. Competent team = less deaths. Less deaths = more time to go pewpewpew! If you're on a crappy team (which I swear is at an all time high with the "matchmaking") try out some new weapons and fittings!

Zekain Kade BetaMax. CRONOS. 1035	Posted - 2013.03.22 23:39:00 - [31] - Quote Raven suit+militia bpo gear = lots of iskies
Pent'noir Algintal Core Gallente Federation 80	Posted - 2013.03.22 23:55:00 - [32] - Quote Being isk positive is very easy as long as you don't run adv/proto gear in every match. The bpo's help, but the regular stuff is cheap and doesn't add much to the cost. Also, invest in skills like circuitry/engineering and weapon upgrade for cpu. any skill that helps your cpu/pg mean you can fit more or better things on a militia/standard dropsuit and save some isk. Save the expensive gear for special moments unless you are one of the few good players that can run it without isk problems. I know i'm not one of them, so i run std fits most of the time until i see a tank, then its proto because ive saved up enough isk that i don't care if i die.
SCAT mania Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 91	Posted - 2013.03.23 01:48:00 - [33] - Quote Try deleting all your expensive fits. If their there you'll be tempted on using them in pub matches. I'm still using assault ll suits and starter fits. Makes the game way more challenging and all the more sweeter when you take out the black suits. Plus its good practice for when you do use ur good fits.
Mr Turtlez Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz 34	Posted - 2013.03.23 03:57:00 - [34] - Quote dont suck
XxWarlordxX97 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 876	Posted - 2013.03.23 04:00:00 - [35] - Quote Mr Turtlez wrote: dont suck good answer
WyrmHero1945 IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 60	Posted - 2013.03.23 05:25:00 - [36] - Quote -Play Ambush -Don't die more than you kill -Kill heavies -Kill ADV/PRO suits -Destroy vehicles My record atm is ~350,000 ISK in a match. Lots of heavies died to my laser.
Sandromin Hes Sand Mercenary Corps Inc. 212	Posted - 2013.03.23 05:31:00 - [37] - Quote Almost all of these tips I don't follow, and I'm running an 80k suit... still putting up positive numbers... all I can say is to have fun.
Rusticuls NECROMONGER'S 7	Posted - 2013.03.23 05:50:00 - [38] - Quote Best way for me was to put the cost of the entire suit at the end of the fitting description. So I if a die a couple times in my 80k fitting I could change over to my super cheap 1.4k fitting and grind a little bit. If anything I sometimes play better with my cheap suits because I'm not too cautious and worried about dieing. Plus there is nothing better than killing duvolles dudes when your fit is 1/50th the cost.
TODDSTER024 Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 41	Posted - 2013.03.23 06:58:00 - [39] - Quote I have all BPO's except for locus grenades, codewish tact AR, complex damage mod. One DS cost me about 12k, and i average 250k a game. p.s. I'm a Logi. Edit: i also invested my SP wisely. Shield control is at lvl 4, armor, arm/shld repair is at level 5, weaponry is at 5, AR profenivy 3, sharpshooter pro 3. There are others but it depends on your playstyle.
tribal wyvern ZionTCD Legacy Rising 696	Posted - 2013.03.23 07:03:00 - [40] - Quote Dustbunny Durrr wrote: I've read in a couple posts now that getting ISK isn't the problem. I don't see how this is the case, especially when people start using proto suits and meta 5 gear. I typically use mostly meta 3 gear on my fits, and am only slightly isk positive. Unless there is something I'm missing, wouldn't 2 deaths without being picked up by a medic turn the a proto/meta 5 match into negative ISK territory? Any thoughts? I remain 15mil+ isk positive by being a tight a$$ and not wasting money on proto. I'm happy (for now) with my mag suits and cheap a$$ equipment/modules. I've managed so far and although I do have the skills to use the higher tier gear....most of the time it's type 2 suits . If you can't afford to lose it.....don't use it. If you are losing excessive amounts of isk per match from lost gear then you have yourself to blame bro

TODDSTER024 Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 41	Posted - 2013.03.23 07:07:00 - [41] - Quote Also, join/make a squad. If youre squad leader USE SQUAD COMMANDS. Youll get more Wp & isk
Dalton Smithe OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 70	Posted - 2013.03.23 07:14:00 - [42] - Quote Marston VC wrote: Dustbunny Durrr wrote: I've read in a couple posts now that getting ISK isn't the problem. I don't see how this is the case, especially when people start using proto suits and meta 5 gear. I typically use mostly meta 3 gear on my fits, and am only slightly isk positive. Unless there is something I'm missing, wouldn't 2 deaths without being picked up by a medic turn the a proto/meta 5 match into negative ISK territory? Any thoughts? Use good gear and dont die..... Or, use very cheap gear and dont die..... My b-series fit (good gear) has about 670 total Hp but costs 60k isk per life. If i dont die with it, i have the potential of making a ton of money per round. My raven assault type 1 suit (cheap fit) has roughly 500 total Hp and only costs 9k - 15k (depending on weather i use the exile or LR). Granted, i use a lot of BPO's on it so if you replaced them with isk varients it would cost close to 15k - 20k per suit, but thats still pretty good for a suit with 500 hp. (lol its armor tanked as well). Really it comes down to just not dying. The best way i can describe it is to play as a *****. If your not fighting to hold an objective, then there shouldn't be any problem with running away. If your in a three on one situation, kill what you can but run as soon as your start taking damage. Turn the fight into a defensive fight (on your side) and you will almost always win. Playing defensively isn't always as rewarding as playing offensively, but the payouts are much more consistant. Exactly, you can fire a couple of rounds at some guys and head around a corner and wait, then when they show their faces, POP. Played this way a few times, especially when outgunned 4 to 1. It doesn't always work out in your favor, but more often than not, you can pull just one away to come looking for you.
Rifter7 Improvise. 114	Posted - 2013.03.23 07:25:00 - [43] - Quote if you have to ask this on the forums than you're going to need an entire guide and training on how to not lose your suits and vehicles man. what you can do is start up an alt to farm isk with militia fits and then transfer it to your main. i dunno how friendly you and your ceo/directors are- but you can do this by using your corp to transfer. that should help you stay positive in isk until you get a little better at staying alive..
XXfootnoteXX DUST University Ivy League 152	Posted - 2013.03.23 07:58:00 - [44] - Quote Spyder Spyra wrote: I must be doing something right. I have 60million isk saved up. I use type 2 and type A and Duvolle suites regularly. I was about to say you should get out doors more... then I realized its simply not called for.
XeroTheBigBoss Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz 61	Posted - 2013.03.23 09:34:00 - [45] - Quote Very easily....
Panther AIpha Bragian Order Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2013.03.23 09:47:00 - [46] - Quote Tactical awareness. Start thinking about what you going to do next, before you do it, and before you know it, you'll start to die a lot less. Less death = More ISK gain
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2095	Posted - 2013.03.23 11:56:00 - [47] - Quote Val'herik Dorn wrote: My tactic is simple use a scout suit with a shotgun... cheap it out as much as possible... find the black suits... kill the black suits... its simple. we kill the black suits! The more expensive gear you kill the better your payout. :) Worth emphasising that it's not the amount you, personally destroy that matters. The value of gear being CALLED IN is what matters. If you kill a black suit and it gets revived, that does nothing for you, because they don't have to call in another one. Killing a black suit means the person wearing it has to call in another. That raises the pot for everyone in the battle. Also, calling in a tank or Dropship or non-Starter LAV means everyone's payout is bigger, so taking out enemy vehicles should also be a priority when you can do so, and when you have reason to believe they'll replace their lost gear.
860 Darkstar Mercs 16	Posted - 2013.03.23 13:21:00 - [48] - Quote I die pretty much the same amount in my A-Series (2 complex dmg mods and the regular stuff) than I do in my fully BPO Raven Assault. Easiest way to stay ISK positive: Cheap suit: Pub matches. To grind ISK. Your best suit: Corp matches. To win battles.
Takahiro Kashuken Intara Direct Action Caldari State 156	Posted - 2013.03.23 13:27:00 - [49] - Quote Free suits
Vanda-Kon KILLSTAR CO. 101	Posted - 2013.03.23 13:32:00 - [50] - Quote First step, don't treat this shooter like other shooters where personal loss isn't an issue. I learned the hard way. But appreciate dust now more for it.

Knarf Black Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 512	Posted - 2013.03.23 13:35:00 - [51] - Quote I'm starting to sound like a broken record, but make sure to pump up your passive skills before running more expensive gear. When people find out that your merc is squishy and expensive, you might as well have a target painted on your backside.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 132	Posted - 2013.03.23 14:29:00 - [52] - Quote [/quote] Exactly, you can fire a couple of rounds at some guys and head around a corner and wait, then when they show their faces, POP. Played this way a few times, especially when outgunned 4 to 1. It doesn't always work out in your favor, but more often than not, you can pull just one away to come looking for you.[/quote] yup, especially if you have a super suit. 1v1 i can kill 90% of the people in this game, it gets a bit tricky if its more then 2v1 though. Too many variables to consider, which is why running away or "falling back" is a good way to even things out, it turns it into a 1v1 only with a timelimit as to when the next guy gets there.


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