Sort of. You can never be completely free from the constraints of the game you're playing. Even if I just handed you a blank page, you'd still have to use the words of some language or another to write a story. And the fact is, the only way to keep PvE out of PvP is to keep PvP out of PvE, effectively making them two separate games. And EVE never takes PvP entirely out of PvE. Nor does it really take PvE out of PvP completely: if you want to be competitive in PvP, you need the resources produced and developed by people who play PvE.

With the ideas being discussed here, if you don't want to PvE, you don't have to. Contract it out to someone else. Have people in your corp who like to PvE. In fact, if all you want to do is PvP, why are you even involved in planetary conquest? And if you're involved in planetary conquest, you already have non-PvP things to consider: district and clone management.

Bottom line: These ideas won't force anybody to do anything. They'll add interesting dimensions to planetary conquest and management. If all you really want to do is PvP, nobody's making you do anything else.

If you had drones protecting a district, would you still take the district if you won? That could lead to PvE being able to be used to capture districts. Will the hardcore PvPers be able to cope with that?

If there are similar limitations to what you have for clone attacks (transport attrition, limited numbers) and if the AI is smarter than RDVs, but still stupid, I can't see competent players losing against a PvE attack. Rogue Drones will be a horde mode equivalent, meaning that the threat is in numbers, not individual capabilities. If you're not significantly outnumbered, and you still lose, that's probably not the game's fault. Of course, sending in a wave of 200 drones to invade a district with only 25 clones left could be interesting...

i think that would be awesome. It would mean more incentive to just hop on whenever even if there isnt enough to run full squads for corp battle stuff . You could just hop on and kill some drones and protect one of your distrcits. +1

I can't imagine they'd allow PVE to take over a district. There's not a sufficient risk/reward balance, for one thing. PVE might influence PVP, but it shouldn't replace it.

I'm sort of surprised by the lack of response from corps who are hardcore PvP. I would think that being forced to be at least somewhat involved in PvE would warrant SOME sort of response. I'd think the Imps would have the most to say since they dis so many other corps as only good for PvE. Them having to either do PvE themselves or have to work with a corp that does should give them SOME pause.

we're hardcore PvP
doesnt mean we arent lookin to play the hell out of PvE as well
tbh pubs are fuckin boring and sometimes u just want a stress free way to gain ur SP and have some fun

i like ur idea somewhat of PvE affecting PC, FW etc
i see it a bit diff
if u leave ur district unattended then the income/resources u get from owning districts will start to degrade so this somewhat makes ur income more "active" than just totally passive

whats u guys thoughts on having to keep maintainence on ur districts?

I don't know about PvE, it sounds like a cool idea, but then again when someone in Eve says, hey you can earn millions an hour by MINING, doesn't that sound great?! No, no it doesnt. (Shoots guy who suggested it)

I can see doing Rogue Drones as training ops,

I could see doing some PvE opps to maybe try to get awesome Faction Equipments or BPCs (Not BPOs). But then again it reminds me of Raiding in WoW and that makes me depressed. So I gotta equip my faction gear to get enough DPS etc to join the PvE dungeon. Better grind some more DKP. This sounds like Incursions Drama and Wow fail (Shoots the miner guy who just respawned into a clone again)

In all honesty, I don't know how to mix any PvE into the PvP where I would really find myself wanting to participate in it. If I had a choice between fighting a corp over a planet or a bunch of mobs.. (Shoots the miner again so he runs out of clones and I win the round) I think you know my choice.

Whats missing is crosslinking of game modes.

I will post about a game mode about marketplace, infantry, vehicles, drones, PvP, PvE, Factional Warfare and District Control in Feedback.

Going to consider the details a few days then post about it in Feedback.

Also going to consider a carebear area in those modes.

Thanks.

I was thinking what if EvE ships started to get infested just by flying through space. A rogue drone spour would attach to there ship and they would get infested. They could then commission us dustiers to come and clear there ship for them. They could set there price or we could send in bids. This way you could sustain a PvE corp that would be kinda like the janitors of space, but since there would be tons of pilots needing the service you could make a decent buck off of it. This would also connect Dust and EvE even more.

I think PvE will help the noobs earn ISK so they can buy better guns. That way new players can stand a chance against older players. Plus PvE can help train the noobs and help them get better.

Moved back to General discussion. I'll guard this thread in order to avoid further movements ;) If something happen and I'm not in, please poke us a [email protected] and explain the situation.
Sorry again for the shaking.

Now THAT is an idea. Using drones as a weapon for finishing off weakened clones to save yourself resources... I'm wondering how this horde mode will be set up though. Will it be like most horde modes and have enemies come in in waves? Because in reality, that doesn't make much sense. Especially not if you are trying to wipe out the remnants of a district. You would send in all your drones at once.

I've had the same thoughts on degrading income when you don't perform regular maintenance.

My line of thought was centered around having the PvE BE the maintenance.

Drones randomly start building a presence in a district, and if you do not keep tabs on it, they can over run it.

This would decrease your districts ability to produce clones, it could steadily decrease your clone stock in a district, it could decrease your storage capacity for clones, it could even destroy structures you've built in your districts.

It would require corporations to be concerned with more than just acquiring new territory. Depending on how large they are and how well they will be able to maintain their property, it could limit how far some corporations could expand their empires.

Sounds fun, right?

For Rogue Drones, the idea would probably be a wave-based horde mode. We don't know anything for sure except that it's PvE and it's coming, but that's a reasonable assumption, and for AI that's gone off the rails and is attacking everything in sight, it makes sense for them to be spread out and to converge from various distances, thus effectively explaining the wave-based approach.

For player-deployed drones, it would make sense to have some kind of limitation on active drones in a district. You could explain that a Drone MCC can only maintain a limited number of drones active at a time, with whatever lore-based "to reduce the risk of them going rogue" excuse you want to come up with. Maybe you could have them show up at double the rate of the player clone count - so with 16 vs. 16 battles, a battle would allow for 32 drones to be active per side in battle.

And the idea wasn't as a replacement for PvP, but a supplement to it. The drones SHOULDN'T be a reliable method of offense, so unless you have practically unlimited resources, you're generally going to be better off attacking with clones instead.

Like I said, a 200 vs. 25 battle might hurt, but it shouldn't be a "proper" attack.

Also, because you're not sending any CLONES in a drone attack, wiping out the population wouldn't capture the district for you, it would merely empty it, meaning that the district becomes open for someone to claim (potentially being taken back immediately by the people who just lost it if they're fast enough).

Now THAT is an idea. Using drones as a weapon for finishing off weakened clones to save yourself resources... I'm wondering how this horde mode will be set up though. Will it be like most horde modes and have enemies come in in waves? Because in reality, that doesn't make much sense. Especially not if you are trying to wipe out the remnants of a district. You would send in all your drones at once.

Drone infestations... that means they are a danger to something... does that mean our districts will have to have members dedicated to pest control to prevent our defenses from being weakened? Because that would mean every corp would either have to maintain a certain level of PvE players, or hire other corps to come in and handle pest control.... which, if the proper mechanics were implemented, could also be used to ambush them when they are not paying attention and sabotage their operations. Possibly set bombs or traps to damage their structures, installations, vehicles, etc. during the next attack on that district to aid the attackers... that would be WICKED! Total subterfuge!

Imagine: Dust corp works as pest control for the universe, has great reputation, spies sneak in, sabotage target corp during pest extermination. Awesomeness ensues!

So, will PvE effect PvP CCP?

Another Idea would be using drones to tie up enemy resources, i.e. send drones to attack one district while clones attack another. Enemy clones can lolstomp the drones but while they're doing that you don't have to worry about them.

Would horde mode give you a clone count, or would it be a survival mode?