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Brandono99 Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.03.17 18:58:00 - [1] - Quote Seriously. When are we gonna get a new engine already? The unreal one we're on now looks like S***. I swear to god my ti-82 renders AND looks better than the graphical engine now. Post your thoughts and comments below!
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 504	Posted - 2013.03.17 19:02:00 - [2] - Quote NEVERGäó
Ryder Azorria Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 145	Posted - 2013.03.17 19:03:00 - [3] - Quote I'd rather post my comment above, or perhaps to right at a 45 degree angle. Anyway, the next build will come with a pile of graphical improvements. If that is still not enough, buy a PS4, Dust will launch on that running Unreal 4.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming 855	Posted - 2013.03.17 19:04:00 - [4] - Quote I don't mind the engine, my concern is frame rate that CCP is getting from the engine. Feels like sub 30 fps sometimes. Graphics isn't everything in gaming, but it helps no doubt. I agree the game doesn't look great, but baring in mind, the old cliched term, it's a beta...still. We have to wait on new builds to see if the graphics are updated, or if the engine has been further optimized. It's a wait and see deal. But as to your question about getting a new engine? I highly doubt it. At least not on the PS3.
N1ck Comeau Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 85	Posted - 2013.03.17 19:35:00 - [5] - Quote Dust 514 uses the Unreal engine at the moment but Unreal is making a new engine for ps4 so don't expect much graphics wise until ps4
Daddrobit Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz 281	Posted - 2013.03.17 19:37:00 - [6] - Quote The ignorance.... It hurts.....
N1ck Comeau Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 85	Posted - 2013.03.17 19:43:00 - [7] - Quote Daddrobit wrote: The ignorance.... It hurts..... Ignorance means having a lack of knowledge, most people in this thread don't seem to stupid on the topic except the trolls.
Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 169	Posted - 2013.03.17 19:46:00 - [8] - Quote I have a more important question: who cares? Maybe this is just me, I'm more-or-less the same way with video games as I am with romantic partners. I don't care if they're pretty, so long as they give me what I need.
Kane Fyea BetaMax. CRONOS. 97	Posted - 2013.03.17 19:53:00 - [9] - Quote The engine they are using is fine..... It's CCP's faults that dust doesn't look good. Also @Ryder Azorria Dust 514 will not be ported to the ps4 using Unreal 4 (Atleast not for a few years). They said it MIGHT be on cloud for ps4 (Which means it is the same exact game for both Ps3 and Ps4).
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 484	Posted - 2013.03.17 20:14:00 - [10] - Quote Pretty sure they plan to switch over to Carbon, not unreal 4, but that will have to wait it seems. I don't really give a kitten about grahics though.

N1ck Comeau Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 85	Posted - 2013.03.17 20:37:00 - [11] - Quote Graphics arent that good for the game but i don't play the game for it's looks or any game just for that reason. if it looks good its just a bonus
Django Quik R.I.f.t 291	Posted - 2013.03.17 20:38:00 - [12] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: Pretty sure they plan to switch over to Carbon, not unreal 4, but that will have to wait it seems. I don't really give a kitten about grahics though. They tried it on Carbon before but changed to Unreal because it wasn't working. As for rubbish graphics - did you play the merc battles today? They looked fantastic. And CCP have made significant graphical improvements every single build, so quit your whining.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 484	Posted - 2013.03.17 20:54:00 - [13] - Quote Django Quik wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: Pretty sure they plan to switch over to Carbon, not unreal 4, but that will have to wait it seems. I don't really give a kitten about grahics though. They tried it on Carbon before but changed to Unreal because it wasn't working. As for rubbish graphics - did you play the merc battles today? They looked fantastic. And CCP have made significant graphical improvements every single build, so quit your whining. But can they get it to work on the PS4?
Kalante Schiffer UnReaL. 189	Posted - 2013.03.17 21:43:00 - [14] - Quote i come from resistance fall of man, so to me all new games look amazing to me, i dont know what you guys have been playing... i think dust 514 looks great.
Kane Fyea BetaMax. CRONOS. 97	Posted - 2013.03.17 21:43:00 - [15] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: Django Quik wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: Pretty sure they plan to switch over to Carbon, not unreal 4, but that will have to wait it seems. I don't really give a kitten about grahics though. They tried it on Carbon before but changed to Unreal because it wasn't working. As for rubbish graphics - did you play the merc battles today? They looked fantastic. And CCP have made significant graphical improvements every single build, so quit your whining. But can they get it to work on the PS4? The reason why they switched to unreal 3 is because it is easier to make console games with.
ISuperstar Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 17	Posted - 2013.03.17 21:45:00 - [16] - Quote Did he just diss Unreal Engine!? Lets kick his a.ss!!!
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming 857	Posted - 2013.03.17 21:57:00 - [17] - Quote ISuperstar wrote: Did he just diss Unreal Engine!? Lets kick his a.ss!!! What's so special about unreal engine?
ISuperstar Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 18	Posted - 2013.03.17 22:03:00 - [18] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: ISuperstar wrote: Did he just diss Unreal Engine!? Lets kick his a.ss!!! What's so special about unreal engine? What's so special about my d!ck, that your always on it?
Thumb Green Starship Troppers 38	Posted - 2013.03.17 22:15:00 - [19] - Quote Brandono99 wrote: Seriously. When are we gonna get a new engine already? The unreal one we're on now looks like S*. I swear to god my ti-82 renders AND looks better than the graphical engine now. Post your thoughts**and comments below! I actually get somewhat angry when people whine about graphics; because it's you people that are ruining gameplay. These companies pump so much time and money into making eye candy they don't have any left to make a decent game and it's your fault. When a game comes by that actually tries to focus on gameplay you people whine about graphics like the world is going to end if they don't add more pixels. STFU and let them worry about making a game, not a movie.
tribal wyvern ZionTCD Legacy Rising 693	Posted - 2013.03.18 00:59:00 - [20] - Quote Brandono99 wrote: Seriously. When are we gonna get a new engine already? The unreal one we're on now looks like S***. I swear to god my ti-82 renders AND looks better than the graphical engine now. Post your thoughts and comments below! We will get a new engine when my PT cruiser gets a new engine....................................

tribal wyvern ZionTCD Legacy Rising 693	Posted - 2013.03.18 01:02:00 - [21] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: ISuperstar wrote: Did he just diss Unreal Engine!? Lets kick his a.ss!!! What's so special about unreal engine? Unreal engine 3 = batman Arkham city and Arkham asylum, gears of war franchise, spec ops the line (to name a few). I don't have to say more than that
Enderr Wigginn KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 66	Posted - 2013.03.18 01:09:00 - [22] - Quote I love how people talk about switching game engines like it is just has easy as typing a little bit of code and hitting enter to convert everything.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming 860	Posted - 2013.03.18 01:24:00 - [23] - Quote ISuperstar wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: ISuperstar wrote: Did he just diss Unreal Engine!? Lets kick his a.ss!!! What's so special about unreal engine? What's so special about my d!ck, that your always on it? I don't even know who you are!!! WTF are you? You feel special that I replied to you? You sound really butthurt though... you sure I'm the one on someone's ****?
Geth Massredux ZionTCD Legacy Rising 103	Posted - 2013.03.18 01:24:00 - [24] - Quote So you think after 4-5 years maybe more ccp has been working on the unreal engine to make this game come to life, they are just going to switch engines like that. BAHAHHAHAH
Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming 26	Posted - 2013.03.18 01:27:00 - [25] - Quote Geth Massredux wrote: So you think after 4-5 years maybe more ccp has been working on the unreal engine to make this game come to life, they are just going to switch engines like that. BAHAHHAHAH Closer to 2.
Geth Massredux ZionTCD Legacy Rising 103	Posted - 2013.03.18 01:31:00 - [26] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Geth Massredux wrote: So you think after 4-5 years maybe more ccp has been working on the unreal engine to make this game come to life, they are just going to switch engines like that. BAHAHHAHAH Closer to 2. Nahh since 2009 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzVjggarRns&list=SPFC7B99173F4DC31F&index=11
Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming 26	Posted - 2013.03.18 01:34:00 - [27] - Quote Geth Massredux wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Geth Massredux wrote: So you think after 4-5 years maybe more ccp has been working on the unreal engine to make this game come to life, they are just going to switch engines like that. BAHAHHAHAH Closer to 2. Nahh since 2009 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzVjggarRns&list=SPFC7B99173F4DC31F&index=11 Carbon.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. CRONOS. 3131	Posted - 2013.03.18 01:43:00 - [28] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: The engine they are using is fine..... It's CCP's faults that dust doesn't look good. Also @Ryder Azorria Dust 514 will not be ported to the ps4 using Unreal 4 (Atleast not for a few years). They said it MIGHT be on cloud for ps4 (Which means it is the same exact game for both Ps3 and Ps4). oddly enough they never said anything about being on the cloud either.... What they did say they where aware of the ps4 comming and are not going to leave dust 514 soley on the ps3.
Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming 26	Posted - 2013.03.18 01:45:00 - [29] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: The engine they are using is fine..... It's CCP's faults that dust doesn't look good. Also @Ryder Azorria Dust 514 will not be ported to the ps4 using Unreal 4 (Atleast not for a few years). They said it MIGHT be on cloud for ps4 (Which means it is the same exact game for both Ps3 and Ps4). oddly enough they never said anything about being on the cloud either.... What they did say they where aware of the ps4 comming and are not going to leave dust 514 soley on the ps3. Right. CCP is planning for the long term, as well. If they have planned everything correctly, the client we are on now is actually the red-headed stepchild receiving little to no attention, and the real client launches on the PS4.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. CRONOS. 3131	Posted - 2013.03.18 01:59:00 - [30] - Quote Well I been talking to the devs the real reason why this game was lacking quite a few features was the need to get on final server hardware to see it all in work. While they could have continued to add guns and the sorts, the map seeding, conquest and hundreds of other critical key features where simply not posisble on buckingham test servers, or singularity, or duality.

Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming 30	Posted - 2013.03.18 03:34:00 - [31] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Well I been talking to the devs the real reason why this game was lacking quite a few features was the need to get on final server hardware to see it all in work. While they could have continued to add guns and the sorts, the map seeding, conquest and hundreds of other critical key features where simply not posisble on buckingham test servers, or singularity, or duality. I don't care about features I just want the game to not run at 15 FPS.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming 861	Posted - 2013.03.18 04:05:00 - [32] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Well I been talking to the devs the real reason why this game was lacking quite a few features was the need to get on final server hardware to see it all in work. While they could have continued to add guns and the sorts, the map seeding, conquest and hundreds of other critical key features where simply not posisble on buckingham test servers, or singularity, or duality. I don't care about features I just want the game to not run at 15 FPS. This shouldn't be an unreasonable request, even for beta. yeeeaaah... any game running sub 30 fps is pretty bad. I get it's beta, but I'm hoping next update fixes this.
Fraceska Opus Arcana Orion Empire 268	Posted - 2013.03.18 04:10:00 - [33] - Quote I ordered the parts from NAPA and a few other sources. We have to wait on the hemi 5.7 liter and a few aftermarket upgrades to make that baby growl. We have to be careful though and need to reinforce the frame before we crank that beast over so it doesn't break its own mounts from torque.
Power Chord Chernova Industries 5	Posted - 2013.03.18 04:20:00 - [34] - Quote What are the odds they use the Carbon engine for the PS4 version. As far as them talking to Gakai and trying to see what's possible and stuff, I didn't take that as streaming the PS3's Cell version at all. You have 250 districts coming as soon as we get Planetary Conquest. Later that will expand to the thousands upon thousands of planets in New Eden. So unless you want to make every planet look exactly the same, that's going to take up a lot of memory. I was thinking as it more along the lines of streaming new parts of the New Eden you have not been to while it downloads them to your background, or something like that. Since you're generally going to stay withing the region your corporation controls, it would be like a marry-go-round of downloading and deleting whatever is relevant to your corp, all done behind the scenes and streaming what isn't there yet. But that's just speculation.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. CRONOS. 3131	Posted - 2013.03.18 04:25:00 - [35] - Quote Gakai sounded like a feature sony was not even to sure of Hopefully they will get their act together by E3.
Power Chord Chernova Industries 5	Posted - 2013.03.18 04:28:00 - [36] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Gakai sounded like a feature sony was not even to sure of Hopefully they will get their act together by E3. Sounded like they knew exactly what they wanted to do with it. Create a Netflix of gaming, and allow you to stream games as they're downloading and seamlessly transition when it's down. What was weird is they announced these features yet said they won't be available when it launches.
Elrick Mercer Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 2	Posted - 2013.03.18 05:13:00 - [37] - Quote Ryder Azorria wrote: I'd rather post my comment above, or perhaps to right at a 45 degree angle. Anyway, the next build will come with a pile of graphical improvements. (Source, plus general information on the new build) If that is still not enough, buy a PS4, Dust will launch on that running Unreal 4. No it won't you can't have the same game on 2 different consoles running 2 completely different engines. Did you watch the PS4 presentations? PS3 games will not run on the PS4 unless it's through Gaikai which will be an emulator for PS3 games to run on the PS4. Dust 514 is a PS3 exclusive and with the Planetside devs all but actually out right saying Planetside 2 will be on the PS4 we have a better chance of seeing that game on the PS4 well before Dust.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. CRONOS. 3131	Posted - 2013.03.18 05:15:00 - [38] - Quote A for the 15 fps issues that has much more to do with optimization passes yet to be done.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. CRONOS. 3131	Posted - 2013.03.18 05:17:00 - [39] - Quote Elrick Mercer wrote: Ryder Azorria wrote: I'd rather post my comment above, or perhaps to right at a 45 degree angle. Anyway, the next build will come with a pile of graphical improvements. (Source, plus general information on the new build) If that is still not enough, buy a PS4, Dust will launch on that running Unreal 4. No it won't you can't have the same game on 2 different consoles running 2 completely different engines. Did you watch the PS4 presentations? PS3 games will not run on the PS4 unless it's through Gaikai which will be an emulator for PS3 games to run on the PS4. Dust 514 is a PS3 exclusive and with the Planetside devs all but actually out right saying Planetside 2 will be on the PS4 we have a better chance of seeing that game on the PS4 well before Dust. Because the hardware on one is so extremely different you have actually have to create a new set of instructions of how the software utilizes that hardware. Cel Processor was such a unique monster of a hardware that there is litterally nothing else similar to it in the world yet or never will be again. Dead end tech. Now lets say getting a game on the xbox 360 to run on the ps4, that is more likely possible due to similar instruction set.
Daddrobit Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz 283	Posted - 2013.03.18 05:46:00 - [40] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: ISuperstar wrote: Did he just diss Unreal Engine!? Lets kick his a.ss!!! What's so special about unreal engine? Best Product or Service NCTA - 2012 GÇô 2012 Best Tools Provider 2012 Develop Industry Excellence Awards GÇô 2012 Best Taste of Next-Gen GamesRadar, E3 2012 Important Stuff Awards GÇô 2012 Coolest Tech IGN, Best of E3 2012 Awards GÇô 2012 Best Tech Game Informer, Best of E3 2012 Awards GÇô 2012 Best Game Engine Game Developer Magazine Front Line Awards GÇô 2011 Top Industry Driven Tech of the Year NCTA GÇô 2011 Best Game Engine Develop GÇô 2011 Best Game Engine Game Developer Magazine Front Line Awards GÇô 2010 Best Game Engine Develop GÇô 2010 Best Game Engine Game Developer Magazine Front Line Awards GÇô 2009 Best Game Engine Develop GÇô 2009 Best Tools Provider Develop GÇô 2008 Top Industry Driven Technology of the Year NCTA GÇô 2008 Hall of Fame Game Developer Magazine Front Line Awards GÇô 2008 Best Game Engine Game Developer Magazine Front Line Awards GÇô 2007' Best Technology Game Developer Choice Awards GÇô 2007 Outstanding Achievement in Online Game Play AIAS Interactive Achievement Awards GÇô 2007 Outstanding Achievement in Visual Engineering AIAS Interactive Achievement Awards GÇô 2007 Best Game Engine Game Developer Magazine Front Line Awards GÇô 2006 Best Graphics (Technical) GameSpot GÇô 2006 Best Graphics:Reader's Choice (Technical) GameSpot GÇô 2006 Best Graphics Spike TV Video Game Awards GÇô 2006 Best Graphics TeamXbox GÇô 2006 Best Game Engine Game Developer Magazine Front Line Awards GÇô 2005 Best Graphics Technology (Xbox 360), Technological Excellence IGN GÇô 2005 Best Game Engine Game Developer Magazine Front Line Awards GÇô 2004 You don't win multiple awards 8 years consecutively for nothing you know.

Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. CRONOS. 3133	Posted - 2013.03.18 05:53:00 - [41] - Quote Also I would like to point out Unreal 4 Loves to play with Unreal 3 engine assets.
Daddrobit Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz 283	Posted - 2013.03.18 06:10:00 - [42] - Quote And now to explain my defense of UE3. Speaking as one who has spent a lot of quality time tinkering and making things with, UE3 is really an incredibly easy tool to work with. It's also very easy to have access not only to the tools, but also a massive community with massive amounts of information and tools to help you with work. Seriously, here's the link. http://www.unrealengine.com/en/udk/downloads/ Give yourself a month of two hours a day, 5-6 days a week just tinkering with it and using the community as a guide, and I guarantee you, you could be creating the game you always wanted to make but were unable to, by the end of the month. It's really just that damned simple to use. However I do understand and sympathize to an extent with many of you on the general quality, or lack thereof in the gameplay and stability of the game. HOWEVER This I do not believe to be the fault of the engine! It is the fault of the Playstation and the capabilities, and the lack thereof that hinder the game. Let me try to explain. When the system tries to run a game, and especially an online game, like say COD, it has to take into consideration a few things and open up "packs" that contain these things so they can be used in the game. These include the map, different weapons, different attachments, kill streaks, and a couple perks that might affect your characters physical performance. Now think in terms of Dust's pack size. It has to load in packs that contain the randomly generated terrain, (eventually) over 100 different weapons, and eventually each will have different attachments, vehicles each with dozens of turrets, both large and small, and over 100 modules that affect their performance and survivability, each one fitted uniquely, dropsuits that have over 100 different modules that affect your performance and survivability, again each one fitted uniquely, and 100's of skills, each different for each player, several of which have to be used in conjunction with the skills of the other players and calculated accordingly on the fly. Dust has so much it has to process at any given time that quite frankly, it's incredible they've gotten this far on the limitations the PS3 infringes, (256 MB RAM? You can buy the Raspberry Pi computer for 35$ and it has double that, or upgrade my desktop to 8 gigs for $40.) Now don't take this as a 'Make It On PC' post, it's not, I would much rather this be on my PS3 rather than have to upgrade my current desktop to be able to run this game in such a manner that I would not be hindered. It just irks me whenever someone says, "look at this engine and how sparkly it is, change the current engine to that engine NAOW!"
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. CRONOS. 3133	Posted - 2013.03.18 06:15:00 - [43] - Quote 256 mb of memory is a real hinderence.
Denak Kalamari CrimeWave Syndicate 92	Posted - 2013.03.18 06:38:00 - [44] - Quote Most of the people in this thread seem to think that you can simply change an engine by typing a few lines of code and suddenly rewrite everything that has been made for the past two years. That is incorrect, and as unviable as changing a gasoline car's engine to an electric one. And besides, as people above have already mentioned, UE3 and UE4 engines are doing more than well for the limited hardware the PS3 has, and that the low framerate and lag issues are more a question of optimization. And besides, what really matters are the aesthetics(actualy design of the game and how it looks) rather than the graphics(the graphical fidelity of the game, ie. pixels). Sure, DUST 514 might not have the same amount of graphical fidelity like Battlefield 3 or Crysis 3, but the aesthetics are really well designed, and overall the game world looks quite nice and futuristic, if a bit brutal and harsh.
Salazar Skye-fire Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 87	Posted - 2013.03.18 14:45:00 - [45] - Quote you dont pile on graphics and polish till you work out all the bugs because doing so comes with its OWN set of problems. theres no need to get a new engine since they can upgrade to UE4 easily port the UE4 build to ps4 from its current state and then graphically tweak it to make use of the ps4's hardware when the time comes.


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