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Mithridates VI
The Southern Legion
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Posted - 2013.03.14 00:41:00 -
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Who is in charge of the kill-switch which prevents a mercenary from leaving the battlefield?
If I had my finger on that trigger and the merc went against the contract, I would drop him and not give him a new clone. |
Dusters Blog
Galactic News Network
158
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Posted - 2013.03.14 02:04:00 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:To be clear oh god no I don't speak for all of CCP, especially when talking about things that are not out yet or even announced.
With the game being free to play and instant battles not having and risk to them, at least not a guaranteed risk only what you want to risk, adding friendly fire to them presents a massive griefing opportunity and also a much steeper learning curve.
We have already announced that we are making changes to FW battles and to corporation battles. Corporation battles should indeed have friendly fire. If we get it to the point where people always have corporation battles available, instead of as they are right now where you have just one or two randomly around, then it becomes the players choice as to what level of gameplay they want to experience. The lower level nature of instant battles or the top tier nature of corporation battles.
Why sis friendly fire required in instant battles?
I read that link and saw nothing describing why friendly fire would be required in instant battles.
because its new eden, thats why.
because lack of FF contains none of the backstabbing and treachery this galaxy is known for. we just saw a game played at the highest levels [PFB vs STB] where mass drivers, shotguns and orbital strikes were spammed with no risk to teammates. thats COD worthy, not anything we should see in a game related to eve online. in that article we mention automatic fines in low & hi-sec of 10-50M ISK. we mention CONCORD bounties that would create a market for TKers as high value targets when they're in non secured space. we also mentioned kick or forgive and auto-kick thresholds. in a nutshell we mention creating penalties that provide a deterrent for team killing. most of all it goes against lore, in Templar One templar 3 malfunctioned and his clone was deactivated because of it. its our opinion that because of these reasons, FF must be on in every corner of new eden. |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation
Test Friends Please Ignore
1675
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Posted - 2013.03.14 02:10:00 -
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If you think about it, FF is already on for pub matches. All you have to do is get an LAV and switch-seat ram your teammates. Alternatively, if you are a bad driver, you can hug your friends with a cooked grenade. |
Fraceska
Opus Arcana
Orion Empire
232
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Posted - 2013.03.14 02:20:00 -
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Why would there be backstabbing in a public match? There is nothing to be gained by it. It is for a lower level of play for those testing out Dust.
In EvE you may get away with killing one or two team mates in the thick of battle but then you will be blacklisted and hunted without end. Until you either flee so far into null sec they cannot reach you or you quit. That is New Eden. FF in a public match with a bunch of new players in militia gear would serve what purpose? What could you possibly stand to gain from betraying your team when the rewards are the same whether you win or lose?
I want FF on for the low/null sec wars not in some public match where I've never seen half those players before. As I said in many other posts this is a bad position for CCP to be in. Do they try to widen their appeal to the bigger markets like CoD and Crysis have and never gain that amount of backing which angers their core group of fans because it breaks "their game". Or do they keep it true to the brutal nature of EvE and never attract a wider fan base to keep the core group of fans happy?
Which is the best course of action to take for a company that wants longevity in its product? |
Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming
24
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Posted - 2013.03.14 06:46:00 -
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Canari Elphus wrote:Im fine with it as long as they have an auto-kick for excessive TK.
Define excessive.... you know, you would be surprised how eager some blues are to run in front of my burst HMG. Can't exactly stop the thing, either... |
Sylvana Nightwind
Expert Intervention
Caldari State
110
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Posted - 2013.03.14 06:48:00 -
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FF in nullsec, fw, corp matches, whatever is all good. It shows real team work and real risk reward aspect. Public matches can not have this because people will just randomly join and grief new players therefore making their initial experience bad. And pub matches do act like training grounds right now. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
443
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Posted - 2013.03.14 06:49:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Canari Elphus wrote:Im fine with it as long as they have an auto-kick for excessive TK. Define excessive.... you know, you would be surprised how eager some blues are to run in front of my burst HMG. Can't exactly stop the thing, either...
This is a sad reality. |
Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming
24
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Posted - 2013.03.14 06:54:00 -
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I seriously laugh every time it happens, because I know how terrifying the sound of a burst HMG is and when the full thing lands on a blues back you just know he is seeing the red flashing on his screen and freaking out. |
G Torq
ALTA B2O
97
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Posted - 2013.03.14 07:17:00 -
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BASSMEANT wrote:"f we do implement friendly fire it will only be on corporation matches, not instant battles"
well, that's that then.
i thought ccp was going to make a real game.
not a kids game.
oh well... mag on!
Peace
B
Translation: "Wahhh, I'm not good enough to play anything but pub-stomping insta-battles" |
TiMeSpLiT--TeR
Planetary Response Organisation
Test Friends Please Ignore
335
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Posted - 2013.03.14 07:44:00 -
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They should pay for your losses. |
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WyrmHero1945
IMPSwarm
Negative-Feedback
40
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Posted - 2013.03.14 07:52:00 -
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Gunner Nightingale wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:If we do implement friendly fire it will only be on corporation matches, not instant battles. At least to begin with. In those battles the expectation is that players are of a higher caliber quality and are able to work together. You trying to say pub players are a bunch of nubs? Awesome even CCP agrees.
lmao |
SILENTSAM 69
Pro Hic Immortalis
RISE of LEGION
435
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Posted - 2013.03.14 08:13:00 -
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I love the idea of FF. If you dont want to get killed by stupid people, then dont play with stupid people. |
The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
1140
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Posted - 2013.03.14 09:15:00 -
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If FF comes to public matches and im about to loose a skirmish cause we have 8 snipers in the redline sitting then i will get a shotgun, a LAV and do some patrolling on the borderline. And teach them what i think about the so called "learning curve". Snipers you have beeing warned. |
Jack McReady
DUST University
Ivy League
83
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Posted - 2013.03.14 09:27:00 -
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FF does not even make sense in this game at all, not even in corp battles
first, the "kill button" of the guy that hired you that keeps you from leaving battle would most likely also keep you from killing your team because well everytime you kill someone he would just press the button and waste your stuff.
second, if I am not mistaken, all the weapons of dust are actually intelligent and would be able to distinguish friend of foe, even the mass driver mentions that it fires intelligent projectiles in the description, I would guess they are intelligent directional explosives only harming, what they are actually supposed to hit. the weapon would just refuse to function properly when fired against a teammate, in short only orbital strikes and melee attacks should actually be able to hit friendlies intentionally, someone running in your fire is ofcourse another story. |
Dusters Blog
Galactic News Network
159
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Posted - 2013.03.14 11:27:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:If FF comes to public matches and im about to loose a skirmish cause we have 8 snipers in the redline sitting then i will get a shotgun, a LAV and do some patrolling on the borderline. And teach them what i think about the so called "learning curve". Snipers you have beeing warned.
without a deterrent u no doubt would do this. if each of these kills in high & low sec cost you 10-50M ISK from CONCORD I doubt it very seriously. If each TK earns you -100 WP and three gets your clone disabled would u still teamkill? more than the betrayal & backstabbing aspect, FF teaches persistence and discipline of fire. without it gameplay rewards shooting through friendlies with no regard with mass drivers, shotguns and the protection of allies with grenade force fields because they are immune to our explosive weapons. no FF rewards the casual style behaviors already mentioned but most importantly it allows orbital strikes to be spammed with no regard for accuracy.
lack of FF cheats the enemy when they are savvy enough to make a careless foe fire on allies. let the economy police null sec TKers by making them high value targets via bounties. When griefing for fun turns into being hunted by the best players in the game with locator agents we doubt very seriously that FF will run rampant. FF is a must. Police it and provide deterrents and it never becomes an issue. |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming
2428
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Posted - 2013.03.14 12:14:00 -
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hermin hermit wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:If we do implement friendly fire it will only be on corporation matches, not instant battles. At least to begin with. In those battles the expectation is that players are of a higher caliber quality and are able to work together. Well that is a little weak, isn't dust all about 'htfu' and 'welcome to new eden' ?
yea cuz it makes sense to have randomly matchmade players who u may of taken a poop on last game to end up on ur team and TK u or worse yet try to blow up expensive assets like tanks etc
stuff like that , which will happen, will drive casuals away from the game and this game needs a big playerbase to survive |
BlG MAMA
PLAYSTATION4
9
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Posted - 2013.03.14 12:25:00 -
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friendly fire demands kick option |
Olaf the Gutless
DUST University
Ivy League
12
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Posted - 2013.03.14 12:28:00 -
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As long as there are no Americans in your team you'll be fine.\ |
BASSMEANT
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
158
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Posted - 2013.03.14 12:29:00 -
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"Why sis friendly fire required in instant battles?"
it's ok man, you don't have to wiggle around.
just admit you guys are making a kids game and catering to the casuals.
it's fine. cod does it every year.
you guys claimed ages ago that 514 would be some new game. new meaning you wouldn't be catering to the easy mode playesr and that this game would be different; it's not.
you got half assers who are again, just like always, fooled into believing they are good at gamiing because you keep throwing them crutches: FF off? oh but you think KD matters with FF off? looooooool only a kid or an idiot would follow that line of fail.
it's ok.
514 is going to be a casuals game, not a real game.
that's fine, you gotta make a buck, i understand.
just don't try to perp like you're doing something different.
you're not.
tell dunham smash i said whatsup?
Peace
B |
BlG MAMA
PLAYSTATION4
10
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Posted - 2013.03.14 12:30:00 -
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Olaf the Gutless wrote:As long as there are no Americans in your team you'll be fine.\
or al qaeda
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hermin hermit
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
26
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Posted - 2013.03.14 12:46:00 -
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BlG MAMA wrote:Olaf the Gutless wrote:As long as there are no Americans in your team you'll be fine.\ or al qaeda
Same same  |
Zhul Varju
Templars Old Guard
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Posted - 2013.03.14 13:23:00 -
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I'm so used to friendly fire being on in every FPS I play it didn't even occur to me to notice that it wasn't on. I guess I can be more reckless now? :P
In all seriousness, I think friendly fire should be implemented, but also have some form of anti-griefing, such as the suggestion of being returned to your quarters with no rewards for too many team kills or too much friendly fire damage. |
SCAT mania
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
85
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Posted - 2013.03.14 15:08:00 -
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meh if FF gets turned on i see no problem to except for nades, forge guns and those usual guys who dont look both ways while crossing the road..
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Phoenix Archer 128
Better Hide R Die
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Posted - 2013.03.14 15:19:00 -
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I'm fine with no FF in pub matches. I mean, if FF is added in pub matches we could have something like this happen: you TK someone and suddenly a squad of OP CONCORD soldiers pop up at your position and kill you, and maybe allow the person you TKed to get a free kill on you too.
It needs to be added to low/nul matches (FW and corp battles) just because...but pub matches...IDK, there's too many players that don't like it and just won't play after, and way too many players that also love to prey on newbies... |
Cosorvin
DUST University
Ivy League
66
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Posted - 2013.03.14 15:40:00 -
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Gunner Nightingale wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:If we do implement friendly fire it will only be on corporation matches, not instant battles. At least to begin with. In those battles the expectation is that players are of a higher caliber quality and are able to work together. You trying to say pub players are a bunch of nubs? Awesome even CCP agrees.
Pub matches is anarchy trying to take a null cannon. Imagine friendly fire deaths would go up especially because im a heavy and I go into the room where they are and clear them out while my blueberry team throws in sissy grenade futile.
Thats how nubby pub players are. unfortunately they are my only way to earn money. |
Cosorvin
DUST University
Ivy League
66
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Posted - 2013.03.14 15:40:00 -
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Cosorvin wrote:Gunner Nightingale wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:If we do implement friendly fire it will only be on corporation matches, not instant battles. At least to begin with. In those battles the expectation is that players are of a higher caliber quality and are able to work together. You trying to say pub players are a bunch of nubs? Awesome even CCP agrees. Pub matches is anarchy trying to take a null cannon. Imagine friendly fire deaths would go up especially because im a heavy and I go into the room where they are and clear them out while my blueberry team throws in sissy grenades futilely. Thats how nubby pub players are. unfortunately they are my only way to earn money.
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XANDER KAG
Crimson Wings Brigade
23
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Posted - 2013.03.14 15:46:00 -
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Personally just don't put it in pubs and you can have it anywhere else, there are too many people in pubs willing to kill you so they could get the whole hack on the null cannon you were occupying yourself with and what do you do if you have a blue tank that wants to fight you instead? You can't hide from it because it can go in your red line to. Like I said I'm okay with it ANYWHERE except pub matches. |
Vrain Matari
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
452
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Posted - 2013.03.14 16:11:00 -
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Canari Elphus wrote:Im fine with it as long as they have an auto-kick for excessive TK.
This is good for the beginning of FF beta-testing. Just a quick and dirty solution to limit the damage.
But CCP will have to make a lot of decisions about player security status, VTK, player-controllable match filters, squad mechanics, etc. if they're going to turn on FF.
Since feedback/tweaking/rewriting those systems will take a fair bit of time to get right, 'twere best done soon. |
Fraceska
Opus Arcana
Orion Empire
236
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Posted - 2013.03.14 16:58:00 -
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hermin hermit wrote:BlG MAMA wrote:Olaf the Gutless wrote:As long as there are no Americans in your team you'll be fine.\ or al qaeda Same same
As an American and servicewoman of the armed forces I terribly resent that remark. Whatever my opinion is or that of my fellow countrymen is not up for debate. I lost friends in that conflict doing what they signed up to do. You sir have been reported. |
hermin hermit
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
26
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Posted - 2013.03.14 17:45:00 -
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Fraceska wrote:hermin hermit wrote:BlG MAMA wrote:Olaf the Gutless wrote:As long as there are no Americans in your team you'll be fine.\ or al qaeda Same same As an American and servicewoman of the armed forces I terribly resent that remark. Whatever my opinion is or that of my fellow countrymen is not up for debate. I lost friends in that conflict doing what they signed up to do. You sir have been reported.
Look at what both groups have done in the last 10 years, senseless murder from BOTH groups
I will defend your right to report me even if I don't agree |
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