nobody has ever created a shooter with a 1000 bullet gun as a selectable primary

there's a reason why nobody has have put a semiautomatic grenade laucher in a video game

Lol. Yes they have. I'm sorry you were killed by someone who plays dust better than you.

Semi-auto grenade launchers are in most of the 007 games. The Demo Man in TF2 has one as well.

While the Heavy in TF2 only has 200 bullets, ammo replenishment in that game is much easier and each counted round actually acts like a shotgun round, firing five or six actual bullets (gives the illusion of an obscene rate of fire while keeping ammo count reasonable).

There are also plenty of shooters where some weapons have straight up unlimited ammo. Starwars Battlefront comes to mind.

The HMG in Clone Commando had six hundred rounds(?), but once again the ammo replenishment in that game was much easier.

Many games also have a much lower TTK than DUST does, so you have to take that into account as well.

the hmg has a ridiculous ttk, all the bullets hit you at once if they can aim and your dead

Tank shields. Check corners. Problem solved.

Another butthurt thread. Pathetic

or a legitimate balance problem

Chances are you would go 0-80 against me if I used a proto suit and proto mass driver

you think I dont know where players are? broke 100+ kill games in 4 different series of shooters

nobody has ever created a shooter with a 1000 bullet gun as a selectable primary

there's a reason why nobody has have put a semiautomatic grenade laucher in a video game

there's a reason why nobody has have put a semiautomatic grenade laucher in a video game

call the cops, we've got a bad asss here!!

You want to put your money where your mouth is?

rarely do these players even break 20 kills....

You want to put your money where your mouth is?

rarely do these players even break 20 kills....

nobody has ever created a shooter with a 1000 bullet gun as a selectable primary

there's a reason why nobody has have put a semiautomatic grenade laucher in a video game

there's a reason why nobody has have put a semiautomatic grenade laucher in a video game

Fallout New Vegas has a grenade machine gun, and man was that thing fun.

also, unreal tournament, flak cannon. semi auto shotgun-grenade launcher with rebounding bullets and shrapnel from the grenades.

also, unreal tournament, flak cannon. semi auto shotgun-grenade launcher with rebounding bullets and shrapnel from the grenades.

rebounding bullets is usually what happens when you shoot a gl in CQC, but not in this game.

pick up power weapons dont count as an equip able primary

Bullets also don't magically disappear after a certain range in most games now do they?

rebounding bullets is usually what happens when you shoot a gl in CQC, but not in this game.

pick up power weapons dont count as an equip able primary

QQ threads don't count as valid feedback.

don't arbitrarily dismiss others who are putting viable counters to your clearly false statement. You were wrong.

ahem, KillZone 2 Grenade launcher?

Obviously never played Unreal or UT either. They rebound from walls, but detonate on target.

And you seem to have missed my post about semi-auto GLs dating back at least as far as Quake.

And the example of the Star Wars Battlefront series including infinite-ammo primary weapons. And the example of TF2 Heavies where each tick of the ammo counter fires multiple projectiles with an ammo count of 200, making it easily equivalent to a 1000 round magazine, and the game has easier access to ammo than DUST.

You can't choose it as a weapon from what I know of halo, they are randomly placed around the map and you have to fight for it/get to it first

dummy

I'll just abuse it till it's nerfed, just like the creo and RE's, just like the lmg in mag, just like heavy armor in confrontation...

Guess I was a catalyst for this thread, like how you threw hmg in there as well.

Liked your one worded hate mail, "nerd", broke my heart.

Just your friendly neighborhood noob tuber spreading the cheer of my mass driver.

Everyone should be using these and not ARs cause these are obviously so easy.

I'll just abuse it till it's nerfed, just like the creo and RE's, just like the lmg in mag, just like heavy armor in confrontation...

You wish it was, your terrible.

Matter of fact, put up a corp contract.

You'll go negative, guarantee.

Mark, think about this statement. RE's were broken because they were being used as grenades instead of demo charges, now they are demo charges. mass drivers and hmg's, while they might get a type of nerf due to overuse, are working as intended if you pay attention to the different builds since e3. Unlike other games where you can get kicked because of using a GL, dust praises players for being smart. a team of mass drivers (barring idiot teams) will not win against a team with an array of weps.

Kicking players because you don't like their wep is not a sign of a broken wep, its the sign of immature gamers an a ****** community. CCP builds their games with the mindset that they give you tools and let you have fun with em. there's no noob tube.

Rather than saying, "What?! 1000 rounds? pfft thats gay!" CCP wants you to say, "What?! 1000 rounds? Sounds awesome!"

I'd watch what you say lol. Imps tend to be the ones who refuse cb's and i can't say for ones i wasn't in or dont remember, but the last time stb played imps we beat you.

it must be so easy for some of the newer imps to hop on the bandwagon and act all big on the forums while hiding behind your corp tag when ive never personally heard of you before this thread

the hmg has a ridiculous ttk, all the bullets hit you at once if they can aim and your dead

You have to be high to think RE's were ever more OP then the current mass driver, or the creo was more op then the HMG is now.

RE's had to be thrown on the ground and detonated, required anticipation and often times didnt detonate.

The best version of the creo from any build, couldnt touch an HMG right now.

Also MD's arent a CQC weapon, and HMG's arent ment to be long range weapons.

were you even in the e3 build? based on that post just now, you have no clue what RE's and the creodron were like. Also, MD's and HMG's are not OP, just don't stare a heavy in the face while his gun that you can hear from a mile away is firing lol

hes not going to respond to you cause he'd have to admit hes wrong, hes trying pretty hard here to not lose face after posting a blatant butthurt thread...

it must be so easy for some of the newer imps to hop on the bandwagon and act all big on the forums while hiding behind your corp tag when ive never personally heard of you before this thread

Also MD's arent a CQC weapon, and HMG's arent ment to be long range weapons.

it must be so easy for some of the newer imps to hop on the bandwagon and act all big on the forums while hiding behind your corp tag when ive never personally heard of you before this thread

Never heard of my father PDIGGY22?

I'd watch what you say lol. Imps tend to be the ones who refuse cb's and i can't say for ones i wasn't in or dont remember, but the last time stb played imps we beat you.

it must be so easy for some of the newer imps to hop on the bandwagon and act all big on the forums while hiding behind your corp tag when ive never personally heard of you before this thread

Got videos of me blowing people up with RE's thats because they were dumb enough to walk into them

I've spawned behind heavys and hit them with every bullet and got killed multiple times

The weapons are meant to do w/e it is they are currently capable of doing. Why don't HMG's have SMG range? Because they're not supposed to. Sorry, but you don't get to dictate what role a weapon plays,each individual player does, so long as the game allows it. So if an HMG can hit you at a long range, then guess what? HMGs just became long range weapons.

I find it funny that you, or anyone really, got killed by a HMG at "long range" though. What did you do, stand still?

You wish it was, your terrible.

Matter of fact, put up a corp contract.

You'll go negative, guarantee.

Never heard of my father PDIGGY22?

Pdiggy25 the biggest douche bag of dust! Ever

Close thread.

Sounds like you have sawdust in your vajaja why not post on that character....oh you can't you got perma banded for posting videos before the NdA was lifted. What a d.bag if your so good play a heavy instead of the easy mode AR player.

says the guy hiding behind his dust name

Says the guy pdiggy hiding behind his alt cause he got banned form dust for being a douche bag

Lurch you are an old STB pub stomper, you were replaced by zdowg. Now very few people even know you so don't act like a heavy hitter when you got benched and play in the little leagues.

The only thing STB won was.... Nothing. What have you guys won?

how would I be hiding if you know who I am? autism needs to be cured...

[ Imps tend to be the ones who refuse cb's and i can't say for ones i wasn't in or dont remember, but the last time stb played imps we beat you.

how would I be hiding if you know who I am? autism needs to be cured...

how would I be hiding if you know who I am? autism needs to be cured...

pdiggy? **** man....was actually hoping you were serious all those other times you said you were actually rage quitting.

Ah, finally. Zitro, glad to see the minions called in dad to take over the thread. Nice to hear the whole pubstomping thing coming from you lol. I spend every day with squads of newer recruits training them while all i see out of you is protostomping pubs with your bff's and leaving matches when you die.

I'm not going to stoop to 'I'm better than you are"' and i'm certainly not going to argue about zdowgg lol. I backed off the forums and leaderboards by design lol, tired of people leaving matches since i am here to play after all. Glad he's up there and getting recognition, I don't want it. I'm about helping right now and unlike a lot of other guys, i'm perfectly willing to sacrifice tanks every now and then to help out.

Hope you don't think you can still do the whole "'were better than you are'' thing after not even participating in this tourney you put up.


Benched? lol

Whoa dude, you're crossing a line with remarks like that. I advise you to step away from keyboard and calm down. Autism isn't something that should be thrown around in a little back and forth on a forum.

If you're getting this upset and going that low you need to reevaluate the situation.

My brother,

STB has never beaten the Imperfects, nor have we ever refused a corp. match with any of your representatives (why would we).

Please get your facts straight. We have lost 2 out of oh... 60 some odd CBs. STB wasn't one of them.

If anything, I remember a CB I was in against a guy in our corp now and 7 of you "old" STB guys where you didn't kill a single clone and were redlined. A few of you rage quit on your corpmates too. (Think score was 150-79).


idc about the topic of the thread, doesn't interest me. But when you make false claims against my corp that I know for a fact are false, I speak up.

No name calling, no bravado. Just the truth.

you're a d-bag

So sad Pdiggy can't wait to see your next whining thread. If your so good why complain? Oh wait its cause your a d-bag

nice try, cant rewrite history. as much as it might kill you to actually admit someone beat you lol im positive ive participated in a match weve beaten you in.

to be fair, ill check with other guys n see if im just fabricating this in my head, which im pretty sure im not .

Or I work as a QA Tester and know when things need to be changed/fixed

Not everyone can sit in their parents basement being mr. anonymous with no friends or any sort of decent clan/corp to back up talk, take the dress off and put up 100 mil corp contract.

If you can't express yourself in a half decent manner then just stop. I can see why you get banned, no thought process before typing.

nice try, cant rewrite history. as much as it might kill you to actually admit someone beat you lol im positive ive participated in a match weve beaten you in.

to be fair, ill check with other guys n see if im just fabricating this in my head, which im pretty sure im not .

I haven't seen so many lols since high school texting females.

I don't leave matches and IF I did after I died it would count as a lost.

And how many times must we explain we didn't join the tourny cause KAIN(and imp) MADE the tourny. It's not classy to win prizes you set up.

Do you know what they say about people who can't do things, they teach. So enjoy that

I would bring my heavy friends, with mass drivers and you would cry OP

Or I work as a QA Tester and know when things need to be changed/fixed

Not everyone can sit in their parents basement being mr. anonymous with no friends or any sort of decent clan/corp to back up talk, take the dress off and put up 100 mil corp contract.

Mods, please lock this thread, the OP is a Dbag.

I would bring my heavy friends, with mass drivers and you would cry OP

you would get destroyed because you can't push objectives with MD's

you would get destroyed because you can't push objectives with MD's

You actually throw this out, when the guy that leads your corp. is... let's just say, uncivilized. How long was he banned for?






The fabrication you speak of is a reality, as I stated... we've lost 2 matchs. STB isn't one ofm. I'm admitting we lost 2x, not good enough?

However knowing the "fabrications" your leader spreads, I'm sure the "fabrication" you speak of was part of his rheotric in trying to recruit and keep people in the corp.

The fabrication you speak of is a reality, as I stated... we've lost 2 matchs. STB isn't one ofm. I'm admitting we lost 2x, not good enough?

However knowing the "fabrications" your leader spreads, I'm sure the "fabrication" you speak of was part of his rheotric in trying to recruit and keep people in the corp.

Lol nice witty comeback with the whole teaching thing. look, i dont expect anything of actual substance in your posts so ill just do my tank thing and you can keep doing yours. STB takes it upon itself to train recruits, something i chose to participate in and enjoy (which is why we play this game, to play n enjoy and beat the **** out of others while doing it) so ill take your jabs with a smile.

fact of the matter is ive seen you, and by you i mean a lot of imps and you, quit. a lot.

i'd agree that the person throwing the tourney shouldn't participate for the integrity of the matches, didn't think you would be that in depth about it tho. props

guys, please don't simply insult the OP in a post. its against forum rules n not too classy.

um, no. first of all, i dont listen to any of the propoganda bs that quick spews out. i dont need it or care about it and stb reps arent why i am here. The people in STB, how we work on the field together, and the fing sweet times we have are why im stb.

as much as i am liable to be false, so are you. stb has beaten zitro n minions lol i was there. This is the last im gonna speak about it cause neither of us will change our minds lol. lets just wait till the next match, whenever that is. got the tourney on my plate for now tho

My other alt is

Ima-Dbag-Pdiggy/mark22

nobody has ever created a shooter with a 1000 bullet gun as a selectable primary
there's a reason why nobody has have put a semiautomatic grenade laucher in a video game

Saying that, I do leave a game ever so often when a guy In the squad doesn't make it. BUT if there are half decent people on the other team I stay in and fight. So if you are hiding on an alt or don't seem like an interesting challenge I will back our and get my buddy

Sorry I have only 10 losses on this account so I know who I have lost to and you haven't beaten me this build. Sorry but those are the facts. (You could of been on a random alt but even than you didn't beat me cause it was "known" players that have been in closed beta. Oh and BLUES suck on my team)

Way to represent your corp.
Seriously, I have also typed up a post at a time of frustration but I've learned that's never a good thing to do. Next time, please vent/discuss with your squad or corp members instead of lashing out on the forum. I, for one, love DUST, but admit it is not for everyone.

Way to represent your corp.
Seriously, I have also typed up a post at a time of frustration but I've learned that's never a good thing to do. Next time, please vent/discuss with your squad or corp members instead of lashing out on the forum. I, for one, love DUST, but admit it is not for everyone.

how would I be hiding if you know who I am? autism needs to be cured...

Open confession that this character is an alt being used to circumvent a permaban.

I don't post a complain after one game, looking at the game from 10 months ago and comparing what was (OP)nerfed then and what is OP now and needs nerfing.

MD's are RE's with 100xs more range

HMG's are creo's with 100xs the dps

Quite simple to see there is a problem

those are some pretty intense exaggerations there dude

MD's are RE's with 100xs more range

HMG's are creo's with 100xs the dps

Typo. Should be "10x" not "100xs"

MDs can't fire more than double AR range as you appear to have claimed.

REs were more versatile pre-nerf, didn't fill your primary weapon slot, and deal more than 5x the damage.


Not sure how you typoed "2x" so badly, but anyway...

HMGs have more spread and less range than pre-nerf Creos, as well as lacking the scope which was a large part of the problem with the Creo, not to mention the fact that, unlike HMGs, a Creodron AR could be fitted onto any suit and allowed for high damage AND high mobility.

nobody has ever created a shooter with a 1000 bullet gun as a selectable primary

there's a reason why nobody has have put a semiautomatic grenade laucher in a video game

This is this dumbest thread here now.

video?

And until you posted, it was only almost there?

(don't blame me... you said it)

Meh,

Doesnt matter anyway this game is dead on arrival. It was such an exhausting week trying to help the Devs promote their failsauce. Not ONCE did they pop in to the escapist live stream.

IWS dont come in here with the devs are busy at work crap. Send a community manager then, it was pathetic and sad.

I wont speak about HMG since i dont use them but i do use a MD and it is lol easy.

Anyone watching the livestream saw how much the players sucked we put them in HMG and MD instant success.


Granted im talking 2 different points one related to OP and one not but its just plain striking how much CCP is failing on creating a "shooter"

CCP if you want to see how its done and how to properly build a "hype" around your game take a look at this


http://www.twitch.tv/trionworlds

Me thinks technoviking and crew made the right move.

There are weapons that are immediately easy to use. And there are weapons that take a lot of time before they are good.

The problem with designing a game where all weapons play the same no matter how much time you invest in the game is that it has no longevity. And gets really boring to play over time.

If you judge DUST by 2 days of game play then you are just judging how well it plays for 2 days. I don't want to play a game that is designed to be awesome for the first 2 days and not much more than that.

So yes, Mass Driver and HMG are much easier to rack up kills with for some players in the first 2 days. ANd other weapons are better over time.

Granted, DUST 514 does not make a great first impression. But there is always a reason to come back and play, even in beta. Many more games that are much more polished and have great weapon balance in the first few days just don't appeal to me after playing them for a week or so.

Yes, you really do want to design a game to be its best in the first week if you are releasing a box game. It will get good reviews. Players will be impressed. When they get tired of it you can sell them all the parts of the game you left out of the initial release for twice as much money.

But this strategy can also fail. When you start selling the same game over and over again. It might be nice if CCP could make a really good first impression with there game. They might not be capable of it. But we do know they are capable of making a game that is worth playing over years. Not just for a few days.

also, unreal tournament, flak cannon. semi auto shotgun-grenade launcher with rebounding bullets and shrapnel from the grenades.

Typhoon from Crysis 3 has 500 bullets and empties it's clip in 5 seconds flat. reloads in a second, give or take.

You want to put your money where your mouth is?

rarely do these players even break 20 kills....

Difficult to kill you when you lag worse than people half way around the world, you moron. Take THAT into account.

nobody has ever created a shooter with a 1000 bullet gun as a selectable primary

there's a reason why nobody has have put a semiautomatic grenade laucher in a video game

Meh,

Doesnt matter anyway this game is dead on arrival. It was such an exhausting week trying to help the Devs promote their failsauce. Not ONCE did they pop in to the escapist live stream.

IWS dont come in here with the devs are busy at work crap. Send a community manager then, it was pathetic and sad.

I wont speak about HMG since i dont use them but i do use a MD and it is lol easy.

Anyone watching the livestream saw how much the players sucked we put them in HMG and MD instant success.


Granted im talking 2 different points one related to OP and one not but its just plain striking how much CCP is failing on creating a "shooter"

CCP if you want to see how its done and how to properly build a "hype" around your game take a look at this


http://www.twitch.tv/trionworlds

Me thinks technoviking and crew made the right move.

Difficult to kill you when you lag worse than people half way around the world, you moron. Take THAT into account.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-yeIHrG81Q

LOL

How is this still going?

Leave the kid on the proverbial short bus.

They where busy though.
http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/03/visual-effects-design-in-dust-514/

Suit blog is out next Thursday. Devs are actually enjoying their weekend for once. Nullarbor said he's going skiing this weekend.

Also Trion does make some horrible games, EoN was one of the worst and they advertised the crap out of that beta and tried to get people to pay early and nearly absolutely no dev feed back nor any progress between beta and launch.

It reminds me of a korean mmorpg mixed in with that failshow falling skies and scy-fy wont stop playing commericals and it looks just as ever horrible as every one of those movies that come out every month mocking the latest hollywood semi-scifi movei to date, I swear MSNCB buying sci-fi was the worst thing to happen.

Typhoon from Crysis 3 has 500 bullets and empties it's clip in 5 seconds flat. reloads in a second, give or take.

Ahem

I bolded and im requoting this bit

IWS dont come in here with the devs are busy at work crap. Send a community manager then, it was pathetic and sad.

Oh its comcast that owns Scfy. And that gameplay footage already looks 1000X better than DUST.

Fanbois aside its just getting pathetic. Notice how i said it doesn't have to be the DEVs who should do this it should be the community managers that should do this. The devs of Trion just happen to pop by everynow and again during the stream, i want the devs focused on the game but SOMEONE HAS TO DO THE PR AND IT SHOULDNT BE US.

awaiting another blind fanboi response. For all your "feedback" threads your inability to share the HARSH truth to CCP is doing a DISERVICE to them.

Despite my frustrations i played good ole fanboi in public during Escapist's stream but this is forums for the love of god KEEP IT REAL.

Telling me to stay out is an inventation to troll you.

NBCUniversal is the primary decision owner of ScyFy. The same bunch of guys who thinks that we need less Battlestar Galactica Drama and more Vampires Werewolves and Ghosts daytime soaps living in the same apartment. Hell they got three vampire shows now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HE1W849_es8 yeah... 3rd person cartoon shooters vs AIs

Not disuputing what you say, but perhaps you should look at that link a bit more cloesely and realize who the dev is. Also gave it as an example of this game could have been, still could be and more importantly how to promote it. You'll notice that the people streaming the alpha build gameplay are COMMUNITY MANAGERS not DEVs(the devs pop in every now and again) but still GMs streaming the game ready to answer questions and stuff about their OWN game, not a third party that has no clue and on top of that had nobody OFFICIAL TO HELP. It fell on US, by us i mean a handful of closed beta vets.

I won't say the game is going in the wrong direction though as the destination has not yet changed yet.

I didn't enjoy Farscape, something was off putting about the entire... universe, I mean its not like Dr. Who or hell Star Trek didn't offend my logic that much as Farscape did and Farscape did it in such a way i can't put a finger on it. Maybe its the damn ship and how like nobody else has one like it.

As for streaming events its hard to get guys to attend all of them, Commander Wang and Frame are supposed to be our community devs but in early early interviews the two said that they will not be able to function as such during the beta as it will be their job to do everything in-between. As such Commander Wang is seemingly permanently kidnapped by marketing to setup events, inteviews, even be in the video dev blogs and the job of setting up the community infrastructure is now on Frame's shoulders it seems.

As for the trolling me comment, its pretty hard to troll someone that would have stated the same regardless of original intent of the poster and even more questionable if I would have said something similar without any responding too. Getting you type in all caps by quoting you when you told me specifically not to post here was well worth it.

and you're far more Amarrian than I ever will be. I tell could tell you the truths and unless it came from god you won't believe it.

If you don't use the easiest gun in the game an AR you must be a scrub.