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Aighun wrote:

Gunner Nightingale wrote:

Meh,

Doesnt matter anyway this game is dead on arrival. It was such an exhausting week trying to help the Devs promote their failsauce. Not ONCE did they pop in to the escapist live stream.

IWS dont come in here with the devs are busy at work crap. Send a community manager then, it was pathetic and sad.

I wont speak about HMG since i dont use them but i do use a MD and it is lol easy.

Anyone watching the livestream saw how much the players sucked we put them in HMG and MD instant success.

Granted im talking 2 different points one related to OP and one not but its just plain striking how much CCP is failing on creating a "shooter"

CCP if you want to see how its done and how to properly build a "hype" around your game take a look at this

http://www.twitch.tv/trionworlds

Me thinks technoviking and crew made the right move.

There are weapons that are immediately easy to use. And there are weapons that take a lot of time before they are good.

The problem with designing a game where all weapons play the same no matter how much time you invest in the game is that it has no longevity. And gets really boring to play over time.

If you judge DUST by 2 days of game play then you are just judging how well it plays for 2 days. I don't want to play a game that is designed to be awesome for the first 2 days and not much more than that.

So yes, Mass Driver and HMG are much easier to rack up kills with for some players in the first 2 days. ANd other weapons are better over time.

Granted, DUST 514 does not make a great first impression. But there is always a reason to come back and play, even in beta. Many more games that are much more polished and have great weapon balance in the first few days just don't appeal to me after playing them for a week or so.

Yes, you really do want to design a game to be its best in the first week if you are releasing a box game. It will get good reviews. Players will be impressed. When they get tired of it you can sell them all the parts of the game you left out of the initial release for twice as much money.

But this strategy can also fail. When you start selling the same game over and over again. It might be nice if CCP could make a really good first impression with there game. They might not be capable of it. But we do know they are capable of making a game that is worth playing over years. Not just for a few days.


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Gunner Nightingale Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 313	Posted - 2013.03.09 14:06:00 - [1] - Quote Meh, Doesnt matter anyway this game is dead on arrival. It was such an exhausting week trying to help the Devs promote their failsauce. Not ONCE did they pop in to the escapist live stream. IWS dont come in here with the devs are busy at work crap. Send a community manager then, it was pathetic and sad. I wont speak about HMG since i dont use them but i do use a MD and it is lol easy. Anyone watching the livestream saw how much the players sucked we put them in HMG and MD instant success. Granted im talking 2 different points one related to OP and one not but its just plain striking how much CCP is failing on creating a "shooter" CCP if you want to see how its done and how to properly build a "hype" around your game take a look at this http://www.twitch.tv/trionworlds Me thinks technoviking and crew made the right move.
Gunner Nightingale Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 313	Posted - 2013.03.09 15:30:00 - [2] - Quote Aighun wrote: Gunner Nightingale wrote: Meh, Doesnt matter anyway this game is dead on arrival. It was such an exhausting week trying to help the Devs promote their failsauce. Not ONCE did they pop in to the escapist live stream. IWS dont come in here with the devs are busy at work crap. Send a community manager then, it was pathetic and sad. I wont speak about HMG since i dont use them but i do use a MD and it is lol easy. Anyone watching the livestream saw how much the players sucked we put them in HMG and MD instant success. Granted im talking 2 different points one related to OP and one not but its just plain striking how much CCP is failing on creating a "shooter" CCP if you want to see how its done and how to properly build a "hype" around your game take a look at this http://www.twitch.tv/trionworlds Me thinks technoviking and crew made the right move. There are weapons that are immediately easy to use. And there are weapons that take a lot of time before they are good. The problem with designing a game where all weapons play the same no matter how much time you invest in the game is that it has no longevity. And gets really boring to play over time. If you judge DUST by 2 days of game play then you are just judging how well it plays for 2 days. I don't want to play a game that is designed to be awesome for the first 2 days and not much more than that. So yes, Mass Driver and HMG are much easier to rack up kills with for some players in the first 2 days. ANd other weapons are better over time. Granted, DUST 514 does not make a great first impression. But there is always a reason to come back and play, even in beta. Many more games that are much more polished and have great weapon balance in the first few days just don't appeal to me after playing them for a week or so. Yes, you really do want to design a game to be its best in the first week if you are releasing a box game. It will get good reviews. Players will be impressed. When they get tired of it you can sell them all the parts of the game you left out of the initial release for twice as much money. But this strategy can also fail. When you start selling the same game over and over again. It might be nice if CCP could make a really good first impression with there game. They might not be capable of it. But we do know they are capable of making a game that is worth playing over years. Not just for a few days. Not disuputing what you say, but perhaps you should look at that link a bit more cloesely and realize who the dev is. Also gave it as an example of this game could have been, still could be and more importantly how to promote it. You'll notice that the people streaming the alpha build gameplay are COMMUNITY MANAGERS not DEVs(the devs pop in every now and again) but still GMs streaming the game ready to answer questions and stuff about their OWN game, not a third party that has no clue and on top of that had nobody OFFICIAL TO HELP. It fell on US, by us i mean a handful of closed beta vets.
Gunner Nightingale Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 313	Posted - 2013.03.09 17:46:00 - [3] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Gunner Nightingale wrote: Meh, Doesnt matter anyway this game is dead on arrival. It was such an exhausting week trying to help the Devs promote their failsauce. Not ONCE did they pop in to the escapist live stream. IWS dont come in here with the devs are busy at work crap. Send a community manager then, it was pathetic and sad. I wont speak about HMG since i dont use them but i do use a MD and it is lol easy. Anyone watching the livestream saw how much the players sucked we put them in HMG and MD instant success. Granted im talking 2 different points one related to OP and one not but its just plain striking how much CCP is failing on creating a "shooter" CCP if you want to see how its done and how to properly build a "hype" around your game take a look at this http://www.twitch.tv/trionworlds Me thinks technoviking and crew made the right move. They where busy though. http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/03/visual-effects-design-in-dust-514/ Suit blog is out next Thursday. Devs are actually enjoying their weekend for once. Nullarbor said he's going skiing this weekend. Also Trion does make some horrible games, EoN was one of the worst and they advertised the crap out of that beta and tried to get people to pay early and nearly absolutely no dev feed back nor any progress between beta and launch. It reminds me of a korean mmorpg mixed in with that failshow falling skies and scy-fy wont stop playing commericals and it looks just as ever horrible as every one of those movies that come out every month mocking the latest hollywood semi-scifi movei to date, I swear MSNCB buying sci-fi was the worst thing to happen. I bolded and im requoting this bit IWS dont come in here with the devs are busy at work crap. Send a community manager then, it was pathetic and sad. Oh its comcast that owns Scfy. And that gameplay footage already looks 1000X better than DUST. Fanbois aside its just getting pathetic. Notice how i said it doesn't have to be the DEVs who should do this it should be the community managers that should do this. The devs of Trion just happen to pop by everynow and again during the stream, i want the devs focused on the game but SOMEONE HAS TO DO THE PR AND IT SHOULDNT BE US. awaiting another blind fanboi response. For all your "feedback" threads your inability to share the HARSH truth to CCP is doing a DISERVICE to them. Despite my frustrations i played good ole fanboi in public during Escapist's stream but this is forums for the love of god KEEP IT REAL.
Gunner Nightingale Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 313	Posted - 2013.03.09 17:59:00 - [4] - Quote RuckingFetard wrote: RuckingFetard wrote: TheMarkOf22 wrote: RuckingFetard wrote: ahem, KillZone 2 Grenade launcher? video? Sure Ahem Ugh thats SP video, last i checked there was no grenades lauhchers in MP, moreover Dumbfire rockets were in MP you know what everyone did? They created servers with no RL because a sandbox style of gameplay doesnt work in a fixed team size small map battle arena shooter. Now if this game was true open world PVP then "sandbox" gameplay makes sense and works see this game www.twitch.tv/triongames But the whole this is a sandbox nonsense will continue to fail so along as this game remains a closed map CQC battle arena game. Thats why this game fails they try to create a sandbox MMO type game into a battle arena when it should be open world like the way EVE is. Fanbois can pile on and say the game is fine and is fun, keep burying your head in the sand and enjoy playing this game with a revolving door of players never establishing a real community. The only ones that really are "excited" are the few EVE pilots that see this as expansion of EVE and another tool to further their EVE agenda. So long as this game doesnt tie in the non-EVE players on the DUST side this game will continue to fail. All this game is right now is a third rate battle arena FPS that has no FPS balance. When the maps open up or players can enter in a free roam world where hordes can assemble anywhere and backup can be called in from anyone that is logged on "sandbox" will just be a pathetic excuse for a game that has no clue of its IDENTITY and fails both as FPS fail MMO fail game=fail in its current form. oh and before i get flamed you can hate my commentary but ive given more than my fair share of feedback of whats wrong with this game and why it isnt working. use the search function or better yet go ahead and view my posts.
Gunner Nightingale Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 313	Posted - 2013.03.09 18:14:00 - [5] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Gunner Nightingale wrote: I bolded and im requoting this bit IWS dont come in here with the devs are busy at work crap. Send a community manager then, it was pathetic and sad. Oh its comcast that owns Scfy. And that gameplay footage already looks 1000X better than DUST. Fanbois aside its just getting pathetic. Notice how i said it doesn't have to be the DEVs who should do this it should be the community managers that should do this. The devs of Trion just happen to pop by everynow and again during the stream, i want the devs focused on the game but SOMEONE HAS TO DO THE PR AND IT SHOULDNT BE US. awaiting another blind fanboi response. For all your "feedback" threads your inability to share the HARSH truth to CCP is doing a DISERVICE to them. Despite my frustrations i played good ole fanboi in public during Escapist's stream but this is forums for the love of god KEEP IT REAL. Telling me to stay out is an inventation to troll you. NBCUniversal is the primary decision owner of ScyFy. The same bunch of guys who thinks that we need less Battlestar Galactica Drama and more Vampires Werewolves and Ghosts daytime soaps living in the same apartment. Hell they got three vampire shows now. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HE1W849_es8 yeah... 3rd person cartoon shooters vs AIs NBCUniversal was sold by GE to Comcast considering they own major stake in the majority of network television groups, comcast group also own CBS, Paramount, Shotime etc. so yea you're right about NBC but it wasnt NBCUniversal that calls the shots its Comcast that really screws stuff up (G4 anyone) Moreover given the writer of Farscape showruns and writes for Defiance, yea i have faith in the showrunners and writers, doesnt mean i dont think SyFy will find a way to eff things up. They are banking a lot of money and weight behind this project and it precedes Comcast/NBC's takeover of SyFy. Also i dont condone of defend network tv decisions but TV is entirely funded by advertising dollars, and unfortunately they still use archaic Nielsen and add to it has to do with the fact that NONE of us WATCH COMMERCIALS we all DVR or TORRENT or WEBSTREAM. But remove the show and you still have a MMO on CONSOLE WITHOUT SUBSCRIPTION. BTW the fact that you think you're trolling me is funny considering its I who trolled you without you even being present since everyone and their mother knew you would swoop in be CCP's whipping and errand boy, its just sad. Like i said you want to be a fanboi in public thats fine i am too. But this is the games forum we're all family here, give a bit of honest feedback for once. IF your REALLY BELIEVE this game is going well or in the RIGHT DIRECTION than i really can't bother having a discourse with you because clearly your are like an AMARR (blinded by faith).
Gunner Nightingale Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 313	Posted - 2013.03.09 20:14:00 - [6] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I won't say the game is going in the wrong direction though as the destination has not yet changed yet. I didn't enjoy Farscape, something was off putting about the entire... universe, I mean its not like Dr. Who or hell Star Trek didn't offend my logic that much as Farscape did and Farscape did it in such a way i can't put a finger on it. Maybe its the damn ship and how like nobody else has one like it. As for streaming events its hard to get guys to attend all of them, Commander Wang and Frame are supposed to be our community devs but in early early interviews the two said that they will not be able to function as such during the beta as it will be their job to do everything in-between. As such Commander Wang is seemingly permanently kidnapped by marketing to setup events, inteviews, even be in the video dev blogs and the job of setting up the community infrastructure is now on Frame's shoulders it seems. As for the trolling me comment, its pretty hard to troll someone that would have stated the same regardless of original intent of the poster and even more questionable if I would have said something similar without any responding too. Getting you type in all caps by quoting you when you told me specifically not to post here was well worth it. and you're far more Amarrian than I ever will be. I tell could tell you the truths and unless it came from god you won't believe it. I trolled you because i framed you as a fanboi and you came in responding exactly as everyone expected you to. Moreover the fact you allowed me to frame the debate and control it shows you are my pawn and im the grand master. Lets also not forget you didn't get me to type in ALL CAPS. I don't follow forum convention where CAPS means YELLING, for me CAPS allows for EMPHASIS and quick scan of a TLDR POST by making IMPORTANT WORDS/PHRASES STAND OUT. SEE HOW THAT WORKS You can try to brush it off like you came out ahead of this verbal joust but meh i own it because my point is well made this game is in trouble and all your player driven nonsense wont hold if the players arent around. But keep your fingers crossed and your head in the sandbox. And like the battered wife keep telling yourself everything's fine.