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Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.03.09 10:41:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:TheMarkOf22 wrote:MD's are RE's with 100xs more range Typo. Should be "10x" not "100xs" MDs can't fire more than double AR range as you appear to have claimed. REs were more versatile pre-nerf, didn't fill your primary weapon slot, and deal more than 5x the damage. Quote:HMG's are creo's with 100xs the dps Not sure how you typoed "2x" so badly, but anyway... HMGs have more spread and less range than pre-nerf Creos, as well as lacking the scope which was a large part of the problem with the Creo, not to mention the fact that, unlike HMGs, a Creodron AR could be fitted onto any suit and allowed for high damage AND high mobility.
so much for being QA....feel bad for whatever company he works for.
Broker: "'Dude, invest all your ****, the market is literally ridiculous right now!!!
Random idiot: "Hell, yeah! You ARE a broker after all.
later on....
Random idiot: *lying in ditch* "Shouldn't have listened to THAT guy...
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Im JustinBieber
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.03.09 12:16:00 -
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TheMarkOf22 wrote:nobody has ever created a shooter with a 1000 bullet gun as a selectable primary
there's a reason why nobody has have put a semiautomatic grenade laucher in a video game
This is this dumbest thread here now. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
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Posted - 2013.03.09 12:26:00 -
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Im JustinBieber wrote:TheMarkOf22 wrote:nobody has ever created a shooter with a 1000 bullet gun as a selectable primary
there's a reason why nobody has have put a semiautomatic grenade laucher in a video game This is this dumbest thread here now. And until you posted, it was only almost there?
(don't blame me... you said it) |
RuckingFetard
Better Hide R Die
26
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Posted - 2013.03.09 12:27:00 -
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TheMarkOf22 wrote:RuckingFetard wrote:ahem, KillZone 2 Grenade launcher? video? Sure |
Gusk Hevv
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2013.03.09 12:31:00 -
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CCP THERE'S A REASON WHY THREADS LIKE THESE GET ME BANNED... |
Im JustinBieber
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.03.09 12:39:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Im JustinBieber wrote:TheMarkOf22 wrote:nobody has ever created a shooter with a 1000 bullet gun as a selectable primary
there's a reason why nobody has have put a semiautomatic grenade laucher in a video game This is this dumbest thread here now. And until you posted, it was only almost there? (don't blame me... you said it)
Duh, I'm frickin Justin Bieber. |
Gunner Nightingale
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
313
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Posted - 2013.03.09 14:06:00 -
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Meh,
Doesnt matter anyway this game is dead on arrival. It was such an exhausting week trying to help the Devs promote their failsauce. Not ONCE did they pop in to the escapist live stream.
IWS dont come in here with the devs are busy at work crap. Send a community manager then, it was pathetic and sad.
I wont speak about HMG since i dont use them but i do use a MD and it is lol easy.
Anyone watching the livestream saw how much the players sucked we put them in HMG and MD instant success.
Granted im talking 2 different points one related to OP and one not but its just plain striking how much CCP is failing on creating a "shooter"
CCP if you want to see how its done and how to properly build a "hype" around your game take a look at this
http://www.twitch.tv/trionworlds
Me thinks technoviking and crew made the right move. |
Aighun
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
671
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Posted - 2013.03.09 14:47:00 -
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Gunner Nightingale wrote:Meh, Doesnt matter anyway this game is dead on arrival. It was such an exhausting week trying to help the Devs promote their failsauce. Not ONCE did they pop in to the escapist live stream. IWS dont come in here with the devs are busy at work crap. Send a community manager then, it was pathetic and sad. I wont speak about HMG since i dont use them but i do use a MD and it is lol easy. Anyone watching the livestream saw how much the players sucked we put them in HMG and MD instant success. Granted im talking 2 different points one related to OP and one not but its just plain striking how much CCP is failing on creating a "shooter" CCP if you want to see how its done and how to properly build a "hype" around your game take a look at this http://www.twitch.tv/trionworldsMe thinks technoviking and crew made the right move.
There are weapons that are immediately easy to use. And there are weapons that take a lot of time before they are good.
The problem with designing a game where all weapons play the same no matter how much time you invest in the game is that it has no longevity. And gets really boring to play over time.
If you judge DUST by 2 days of game play then you are just judging how well it plays for 2 days. I don't want to play a game that is designed to be awesome for the first 2 days and not much more than that.
So yes, Mass Driver and HMG are much easier to rack up kills with for some players in the first 2 days. ANd other weapons are better over time.
Granted, DUST 514 does not make a great first impression. But there is always a reason to come back and play, even in beta. Many more games that are much more polished and have great weapon balance in the first few days just don't appeal to me after playing them for a week or so.
Yes, you really do want to design a game to be its best in the first week if you are releasing a box game. It will get good reviews. Players will be impressed. When they get tired of it you can sell them all the parts of the game you left out of the initial release for twice as much money.
But this strategy can also fail. When you start selling the same game over and over again. It might be nice if CCP could make a really good first impression with there game. They might not be capable of it. But we do know they are capable of making a game that is worth playing over years. Not just for a few days. |
Gunner Nightingale
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
313
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Posted - 2013.03.09 15:30:00 -
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Aighun wrote:Gunner Nightingale wrote:Meh, Doesnt matter anyway this game is dead on arrival. It was such an exhausting week trying to help the Devs promote their failsauce. Not ONCE did they pop in to the escapist live stream. IWS dont come in here with the devs are busy at work crap. Send a community manager then, it was pathetic and sad. I wont speak about HMG since i dont use them but i do use a MD and it is lol easy. Anyone watching the livestream saw how much the players sucked we put them in HMG and MD instant success. Granted im talking 2 different points one related to OP and one not but its just plain striking how much CCP is failing on creating a "shooter" CCP if you want to see how its done and how to properly build a "hype" around your game take a look at this http://www.twitch.tv/trionworldsMe thinks technoviking and crew made the right move. There are weapons that are immediately easy to use. And there are weapons that take a lot of time before they are good. The problem with designing a game where all weapons play the same no matter how much time you invest in the game is that it has no longevity. And gets really boring to play over time. If you judge DUST by 2 days of game play then you are just judging how well it plays for 2 days. I don't want to play a game that is designed to be awesome for the first 2 days and not much more than that. So yes, Mass Driver and HMG are much easier to rack up kills with for some players in the first 2 days. ANd other weapons are better over time. Granted, DUST 514 does not make a great first impression. But there is always a reason to come back and play, even in beta. Many more games that are much more polished and have great weapon balance in the first few days just don't appeal to me after playing them for a week or so. Yes, you really do want to design a game to be its best in the first week if you are releasing a box game. It will get good reviews. Players will be impressed. When they get tired of it you can sell them all the parts of the game you left out of the initial release for twice as much money. But this strategy can also fail. When you start selling the same game over and over again. It might be nice if CCP could make a really good first impression with there game. They might not be capable of it. But we do know they are capable of making a game that is worth playing over years. Not just for a few days.
Not disuputing what you say, but perhaps you should look at that link a bit more cloesely and realize who the dev is. Also gave it as an example of this game could have been, still could be and more importantly how to promote it. You'll notice that the people streaming the alpha build gameplay are COMMUNITY MANAGERS not DEVs(the devs pop in every now and again) but still GMs streaming the game ready to answer questions and stuff about their OWN game, not a third party that has no clue and on top of that had nobody OFFICIAL TO HELP. It fell on US, by us i mean a handful of closed beta vets. |
The Dragon Ascendant
Destruction Initiative Enterprise
116
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Posted - 2013.03.09 16:02:00 -
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Heathen Bastard wrote:also, unreal tournament, flak cannon. semi auto shotgun-grenade launcher with rebounding bullets and shrapnel from the grenades.
This was the first thing that came to my mind as well. Also the minigun, the 6 barrel rocket launcher with lock-on features that also fires bouncing grenades, the remote controlled mini-nuke launcher and the tank the size of a ******* building with 4 corner guns each with shields and an array of weapons including a main gun that vaporised half the map.
And people think tanks, hmgs and mass drivers are op... |
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Th3rdSun
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.03.09 16:16:00 -
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Kas Croixe wrote:Typhoon from Crysis 3 has 500 bullets and empties it's clip in 5 seconds flat. reloads in a second, give or take.
The Typhoon is a pretty sick gun.Wish it was over here.
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Spkr4theDead
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
27
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Posted - 2013.03.09 16:18:00 -
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TheMarkOf22 wrote:Buster Friently wrote:TheMarkOf22 wrote:nobody has ever created a shooter with a 1000 bullet gun as a selectable primary
there's a reason why nobody has have put a semiautomatic grenade laucher in a video game Lol. Yes they have. I'm sorry you were killed by someone who plays dust better than you. You want to put your money where your mouth is? rarely do these players even break 20 kills.... Difficult to kill you when you lag worse than people half way around the world, you moron. Take THAT into account. |
DEADPOOL5241
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
251
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Posted - 2013.03.09 16:30:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:TheMarkOf22 wrote:Buster Friently wrote:TheMarkOf22 wrote:nobody has ever created a shooter with a 1000 bullet gun as a selectable primary
there's a reason why nobody has have put a semiautomatic grenade laucher in a video game Lol. Yes they have. I'm sorry you were killed by someone who plays dust better than you. You want to put your money where your mouth is? rarely do these players even break 20 kills.... Difficult to kill you when you lag worse than people half way around the world, you moron. Take THAT into account.
So you die to Mark and blame lag on it, how pathetic are you? |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
1645
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Posted - 2013.03.09 16:35:00 -
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TheMarkOf22 wrote:nobody has ever created a shooter with a 1000 bullet gun as a selectable primary
there's a reason why nobody has have put a semiautomatic grenade laucher in a video game
1,000-bullet gun as a selectable primary? Halo Series: Turret that can ripped out of it mount and used as a portable machine gun.
Semiautomatic Grenade Launcher? Halo Series: Plasma Bolt (I think that's what it's called - I know its a covenant weapon that fires at least 5 grenade-like bolts in rapid succession)
What was that reason again? |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
3052
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Posted - 2013.03.09 16:53:00 -
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Gunner Nightingale wrote:Meh, Doesnt matter anyway this game is dead on arrival. It was such an exhausting week trying to help the Devs promote their failsauce. Not ONCE did they pop in to the escapist live stream. IWS dont come in here with the devs are busy at work crap. Send a community manager then, it was pathetic and sad. I wont speak about HMG since i dont use them but i do use a MD and it is lol easy. Anyone watching the livestream saw how much the players sucked we put them in HMG and MD instant success. Granted im talking 2 different points one related to OP and one not but its just plain striking how much CCP is failing on creating a "shooter" CCP if you want to see how its done and how to properly build a "hype" around your game take a look at this http://www.twitch.tv/trionworldsMe thinks technoviking and crew made the right move.
http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/03/visual-effects-design-in-dust-514/
Also Trion does make some horrible games, EoN was one of the worst and they advertised the crap out of that beta and tried to get people to pay early and nearly absolutely no dev feed back nor any progress between beta and launch. |
TheMarkOf22
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
61
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Posted - 2013.03.09 16:59:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:TheMarkOf22 wrote:Buster Friently wrote:TheMarkOf22 wrote:nobody has ever created a shooter with a 1000 bullet gun as a selectable primary
there's a reason why nobody has have put a semiautomatic grenade laucher in a video game Lol. Yes they have. I'm sorry you were killed by someone who plays dust better than you. You want to put your money where your mouth is? rarely do these players even break 20 kills.... Difficult to kill you when you lag worse than people half way around the world, you moron. Take THAT into account.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-yeIHrG81Q
LOL |
DaddyKillsEmAll
United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION
9
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Posted - 2013.03.09 17:06:00 -
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TheMarkOf22 wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:TheMarkOf22 wrote:Buster Friently wrote:TheMarkOf22 wrote:nobody has ever created a shooter with a 1000 bullet gun as a selectable primary
there's a reason why nobody has have put a semiautomatic grenade laucher in a video game Lol. Yes they have. I'm sorry you were killed by someone who plays dust better than you. You want to put your money where your mouth is? rarely do these players even break 20 kills.... Difficult to kill you when you lag worse than people half way around the world, you moron. Take THAT into account. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-yeIHrG81QLOL
not funny... |
TheMarkOf22
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
61
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Posted - 2013.03.09 17:08:00 -
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LOL[/quote]
not funny...[/quote]
neither is the fact you had to steal a clan name |
GeneralButtNaked
Burnwall Industries
89
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Posted - 2013.03.09 17:24:00 -
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How is this still going?
Leave the kid on the proverbial short bus. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
3052
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Posted - 2013.03.09 17:26:00 -
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GeneralButtNaked wrote:How is this still going?
Leave the kid on the proverbial short bus.
Oh lets try a new one:
'Why do you make a weapon that does more damage from farther away than point blank? it makes no cents ccp!' |
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Gunner Nightingale
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
313
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Posted - 2013.03.09 17:46:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Gunner Nightingale wrote:Meh, Doesnt matter anyway this game is dead on arrival. It was such an exhausting week trying to help the Devs promote their failsauce. Not ONCE did they pop in to the escapist live stream. IWS dont come in here with the devs are busy at work crap. Send a community manager then, it was pathetic and sad.I wont speak about HMG since i dont use them but i do use a MD and it is lol easy. Anyone watching the livestream saw how much the players sucked we put them in HMG and MD instant success. Granted im talking 2 different points one related to OP and one not but its just plain striking how much CCP is failing on creating a "shooter" CCP if you want to see how its done and how to properly build a "hype" around your game take a look at this http://www.twitch.tv/trionworldsMe thinks technoviking and crew made the right move. They where busy though. http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/03/visual-effects-design-in-dust-514/Suit blog is out next Thursday. Devs are actually enjoying their weekend for once. Nullarbor said he's going skiing this weekend. Also Trion does make some horrible games, EoN was one of the worst and they advertised the crap out of that beta and tried to get people to pay early and nearly absolutely no dev feed back nor any progress between beta and launch. It reminds me of a korean mmorpg mixed in with that failshow falling skies and scy-fy wont stop playing commericals and it looks just as ever horrible as every one of those movies that come out every month mocking the latest hollywood semi-scifi movei to date, I swear MSNCB buying sci-fi was the worst thing to happen.
I bolded and im requoting this bit
IWS dont come in here with the devs are busy at work crap. Send a community manager then, it was pathetic and sad.
Oh its comcast that owns Scfy. And that gameplay footage already looks 1000X better than DUST.
Fanbois aside its just getting pathetic. Notice how i said it doesn't have to be the DEVs who should do this it should be the community managers that should do this. The devs of Trion just happen to pop by everynow and again during the stream, i want the devs focused on the game but SOMEONE HAS TO DO THE PR AND IT SHOULDNT BE US.
awaiting another blind fanboi response. For all your "feedback" threads your inability to share the HARSH truth to CCP is doing a DISERVICE to them.
Despite my frustrations i played good ole fanboi in public during Escapist's stream but this is forums for the love of god KEEP IT REAL.
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RuckingFetard
Better Hide R Die
26
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Posted - 2013.03.09 17:47:00 -
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RuckingFetard wrote:TheMarkOf22 wrote:RuckingFetard wrote:ahem, KillZone 2 Grenade launcher? video? Sure Ahem |
Th3rdSun
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
324
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Posted - 2013.03.09 17:54:00 -
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Kas Croixe wrote:Typhoon from Crysis 3 has 500 bullets and empties it's clip in 5 seconds flat. reloads in a second, give or take. Oh,and the Typhoon has 750 rounds,not 500. |
Gunner Nightingale
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
313
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Posted - 2013.03.09 17:59:00 -
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RuckingFetard wrote:RuckingFetard wrote:TheMarkOf22 wrote:RuckingFetard wrote:ahem, KillZone 2 Grenade launcher? video? Sure Ahem
Ugh thats SP video, last i checked there was no grenades lauhchers in MP, moreover Dumbfire rockets were in MP you know what everyone did?
They created servers with no RL because a sandbox style of gameplay doesnt work in a fixed team size small map battle arena shooter.
Now if this game was true open world PVP then "sandbox" gameplay makes sense and works
see this game
www.twitch.tv/triongames
But the whole this is a sandbox nonsense will continue to fail so along as this game remains a closed map CQC battle arena game.
Thats why this game fails they try to create a sandbox MMO type game into a battle arena when it should be open world like the way EVE is.
Fanbois can pile on and say the game is fine and is fun, keep burying your head in the sand and enjoy playing this game with a revolving door of players never establishing a real community. The only ones that really are "excited" are the few EVE pilots that see this as expansion of EVE and another tool to further their EVE agenda.
So long as this game doesnt tie in the non-EVE players on the DUST side this game will continue to fail. All this game is right now is a third rate battle arena FPS that has no FPS balance.
When the maps open up or players can enter in a free roam world where hordes can assemble anywhere and backup can be called in from anyone that is logged on "sandbox" will just be a pathetic excuse for a game that has no clue of its IDENTITY and fails both as
FPS fail
MMO fail
game=fail in its current form.
oh and before i get flamed you can hate my commentary but ive given more than my fair share of feedback of whats wrong with this game and why it isnt working. use the search function or better yet go ahead and view my posts. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
3054
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Posted - 2013.03.09 18:04:00 -
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Gunner Nightingale wrote: I bolded and im requoting this bit
IWS dont come in here with the devs are busy at work crap. Send a community manager then, it was pathetic and sad.
Oh its comcast that owns Scfy. And that gameplay footage already looks 1000X better than DUST.
Fanbois aside its just getting pathetic. Notice how i said it doesn't have to be the DEVs who should do this it should be the community managers that should do this. The devs of Trion just happen to pop by everynow and again during the stream, i want the devs focused on the game but SOMEONE HAS TO DO THE PR AND IT SHOULDNT BE US.
awaiting another blind fanboi response. For all your "feedback" threads your inability to share the HARSH truth to CCP is doing a DISERVICE to them.
Despite my frustrations i played good ole fanboi in public during Escapist's stream but this is forums for the love of god KEEP IT REAL.
Telling me to stay out is an inventation to troll you.
NBCUniversal is the primary decision owner of ScyFy. The same bunch of guys who thinks that we need less Battlestar Galactica Drama and more Vampires Werewolves and Ghosts daytime soaps living in the same apartment. Hell they got three vampire shows now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HE1W849_es8 yeah... 3rd person cartoon shooters vs AIs |
RuckingFetard
Better Hide R Die
26
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Posted - 2013.03.09 18:11:00 -
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There are GL in KZ2 MP |
Gunner Nightingale
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
313
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Posted - 2013.03.09 18:14:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Gunner Nightingale wrote: I bolded and im requoting this bit
IWS dont come in here with the devs are busy at work crap. Send a community manager then, it was pathetic and sad.
Oh its comcast that owns Scfy. And that gameplay footage already looks 1000X better than DUST.
Fanbois aside its just getting pathetic. Notice how i said it doesn't have to be the DEVs who should do this it should be the community managers that should do this. The devs of Trion just happen to pop by everynow and again during the stream, i want the devs focused on the game but SOMEONE HAS TO DO THE PR AND IT SHOULDNT BE US.
awaiting another blind fanboi response. For all your "feedback" threads your inability to share the HARSH truth to CCP is doing a DISERVICE to them.
Despite my frustrations i played good ole fanboi in public during Escapist's stream but this is forums for the love of god KEEP IT REAL.
Telling me to stay out is an inventation to troll you. NBCUniversal is the primary decision owner of ScyFy. The same bunch of guys who thinks that we need less Battlestar Galactica Drama and more Vampires Werewolves and Ghosts daytime soaps living in the same apartment. Hell they got three vampire shows now. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HE1W849_es8 yeah... 3rd person cartoon shooters vs AIs
NBCUniversal was sold by GE to Comcast considering they own major stake in the majority of network television groups, comcast group also own CBS, Paramount, Shotime etc. so yea you're right about NBC but it wasnt NBCUniversal that calls the shots its Comcast that really screws stuff up (G4 anyone)
Moreover given the writer of Farscape showruns and writes for Defiance, yea i have faith in the showrunners and writers, doesnt mean i dont think SyFy will find a way to eff things up. They are banking a lot of money and weight behind this project and it precedes Comcast/NBC's takeover of SyFy.
Also i dont condone of defend network tv decisions but TV is entirely funded by advertising dollars, and unfortunately they still use archaic Nielsen and add to it has to do with the fact that NONE of us WATCH COMMERCIALS we all DVR or TORRENT or WEBSTREAM.
But remove the show and you still have a MMO on CONSOLE WITHOUT SUBSCRIPTION.
BTW the fact that you think you're trolling me is funny considering its I who trolled you without you even being present since everyone and their mother knew you would swoop in be CCP's whipping and errand boy, its just sad. Like i said you want to be a fanboi in public thats fine i am too. But this is the games forum we're all family here, give a bit of honest feedback for once.
IF your REALLY BELIEVE this game is going well or in the RIGHT DIRECTION than i really can't bother having a discourse with you because clearly your are like an AMARR (blinded by faith).
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Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
3054
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Posted - 2013.03.09 18:27:00 -
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I won't say the game is going in the wrong direction though as the destination has not yet changed yet.
I didn't enjoy Farscape, something was off putting about the entire... universe, I mean its not like Dr. Who or hell Star Trek didn't offend my logic that much as Farscape did and Farscape did it in such a way i can't put a finger on it. Maybe its the damn ship and how like nobody else has one like it.
As for streaming events its hard to get guys to attend all of them, Commander Wang and Frame are supposed to be our community devs but in early early interviews the two said that they will not be able to function as such during the beta as it will be their job to do everything in-between.
As for the trolling me comment, its pretty hard to troll someone that would have stated the same regardless of original intent of the poster and even more questionable if I would have said something similar without any responding too. Getting you type in all caps by quoting you when you told me specifically not to post here was well worth it.
and you're far more Amarrian than I ever will be. I tell could tell you the truths and unless it came from god you won't believe it. |
Ghesh Tkall
DUST University Ivy League
5
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Posted - 2013.03.09 18:46:00 -
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Perfect Dark. Reaper for SMG (bigger mag = longer reload time) and Superdragon's alt fire for semi-auto nades.
/thread |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
3055
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Posted - 2013.03.09 18:47:00 -
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Didnt wolfenstein 3d have a minigun that ate its entire magazine without reloading? |
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