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Caeli SineDeo Imperfects Negative-Feedback 306	Posted - 2013.03.08 23:50:00 - [1] - Quote 37 kills after afking the first 5 mins in a soma. Was under constant AV most of the match. :/ No idea why some armor tankers complain about them being to weak. Can not wait to be in my mad for pub stomping if this soma kicks this much ass can only guess how good a mad is. :) Just posting to enlighten people that this soma can tank better then my sagaris which is sad.
Wicked Glory Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 102	Posted - 2013.03.08 23:51:00 - [2] - Quote Tanks have always been broken, lmfao.
Mr Zitro Imperfects Negative-Feedback 442	Posted - 2013.03.08 23:53:00 - [3] - Quote Caeli SineDeo wrote: 37 kills after afking the first 5 mins in a soma. Was under constant AV most of the match. :/ No idea why some armor tankers complain about them being to weak. Can not wait to be in my mad for pub stomping if this soma kicks this much ass can only guess how good a mad is. :) Just posting to enlighten people that this soma can tank better then my sagaris which is sad. Caeli I got 58 kills in a sica, why are you crying about shield tanks again?
The legend345 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 94	Posted - 2013.03.08 23:58:00 - [4] - Quote Mr Zitro wrote: Caeli SineDeo wrote: 37 kills after afking the first 5 mins in a soma. Was under constant AV most of the match. :/ No idea why some armor tankers complain about them being to weak. Can not wait to be in my mad for pub stomping if this soma kicks this much ass can only guess how good a mad is. :) Just posting to enlighten people that this soma can tank better then my sagaris which is sad. Caeli I got 58 kills in a sica, why are you crying about shield tanks again?
Sextus Hardcock Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 91	Posted - 2013.03.09 00:33:00 - [5] - Quote /confirming I'm in an N-F circle-jerk thread :)
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 626	Posted - 2013.03.09 00:36:00 - [6] - Quote Armor tanks are not weak, they're just much weaker to currently available AV weapons in comparison to Shields.
Beld Errmon UnReaL. 505	Posted - 2013.03.09 01:01:00 - [7] - Quote You still having your manrag episode over the possibility that, shock horror CCP might fix a bug? Yeah armor tanks are great, till you run into a squad of darksides get caught on a lamp post and require 2 mins to get back up to speed after turning like a freighter.
undeadsoldier90 UnReaL. 233	Posted - 2013.03.09 01:33:00 - [8] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: You still having your manrag episode over the possibility that, shock horror CCP might fix a bug? Yeah armor tanks are great, till you run into a squad of darksides get caught on a lamp post and require 2 mins to get back up to speed after turning like a freighter. Indeed.
The dark cloud Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1098	Posted - 2013.03.09 07:26:00 - [9] - Quote Mr Zitro wrote: Caeli SineDeo wrote: 37 kills after afking the first 5 mins in a soma. Was under constant AV most of the match. :/ No idea why some armor tankers complain about them being to weak. Can not wait to be in my mad for pub stomping if this soma kicks this much ass can only guess how good a mad is. :) Just posting to enlighten people that this soma can tank better then my sagaris which is sad. Caeli I got 58 kills in a sica, why are you crying about shield tanks again? perfect example of your server. Nobody is bothered to take any kind of AV. Oh look im on the NA server i can shot the tank with my AR.
Kas Croixe Intara Direct Action Caldari State 8	Posted - 2013.03.09 07:31:00 - [10] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Armor tanks are not weak, they're just much weaker to currently available AV weapons in comparison to Shields. oh yeah, forgot that armor is weak to explosive-type damage. and that literally all the anti-vehicle weapons are explosive/hybrid right now. so shield tanks are the only ones with natural resist to standard AV now. so it's not really weaker, there just isn't a hard counter to shield tanks yet.

TheBLAZZED VENGEANCE FOR HIRE 66	Posted - 2013.03.09 07:40:00 - [11] - Quote Kas Croixe wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Armor tanks are not weak, they're just much weaker to currently available AV weapons in comparison to Shields. oh yeah, forgot that armor is weak to explosive-type damage. and that literally all the anti-vehicle weapons are explosive/hybrid right now. so shield tanks are the only ones with natural resist to standard AV now. so it's not really weaker, there just isn't a hard counter to shield tanks yet. Lol....Guess you haven't heard of the breach Forge gun.
Kas Croixe Intara Direct Action Caldari State 8	Posted - 2013.03.09 07:45:00 - [12] - Quote TheBLAZZED wrote: Kas Croixe wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Armor tanks are not weak, they're just much weaker to currently available AV weapons in comparison to Shields. oh yeah, forgot that armor is weak to explosive-type damage. and that literally all the anti-vehicle weapons are explosive/hybrid right now. so shield tanks are the only ones with natural resist to standard AV now. so it's not really weaker, there just isn't a hard counter to shield tanks yet. Lol....Guess you haven't heard of the breach Forge gun. isn't that still explosive type, as in, the weaker against shields explosive type? I understand that it deals incredible damage, but if the tank driver or gunners spot you charging, you're gonna die since you can't move.
slap26 Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 491	Posted - 2013.03.09 07:48:00 - [13] - Quote Kas Croixe wrote: TheBLAZZED wrote: Kas Croixe wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Armor tanks are not weak, they're just much weaker to currently available AV weapons in comparison to Shields. oh yeah, forgot that armor is weak to explosive-type damage. and that literally all the anti-vehicle weapons are explosive/hybrid right now. so shield tanks are the only ones with natural resist to standard AV now. so it's not really weaker, there just isn't a hard counter to shield tanks yet. Lol....Guess you haven't heard of the breach Forge gun. isn't that still explosive type, as in, the weaker against shields explosive type? I understand that it deals incredible damage, but if the tank driver or gunners spot you charging, you're gonna die since you can't move. As a tank driver I would rather go against an advanced breech forge rather then a proto assault forge.
Heathen Bastard Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 4	Posted - 2013.03.09 07:52:00 - [14] - Quote doesn't the proto assault charge in like nothing flat?
TheBLAZZED VENGEANCE FOR HIRE 66	Posted - 2013.03.09 07:53:00 - [15] - Quote Kas Croixe wrote: TheBLAZZED wrote: Kas Croixe wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Armor tanks are not weak, they're just much weaker to currently available AV weapons in comparison to Shields. oh yeah, forgot that armor is weak to explosive-type damage. and that literally all the anti-vehicle weapons are explosive/hybrid right now. so shield tanks are the only ones with natural resist to standard AV now. so it's not really weaker, there just isn't a hard counter to shield tanks yet. Lol....Guess you haven't heard of the breach Forge gun. isn't that still explosive type, as in, the weaker against shields explosive type? I understand that it deals incredible damage, but if the tank driver or gunners spot you charging, you're gonna die since you can't move. Nope, forge Guns get a bonus against shields. Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe it is a 25 percent bonus again shields. Same as swarms bonus against armor.
TheBLAZZED VENGEANCE FOR HIRE 66	Posted - 2013.03.09 07:54:00 - [16] - Quote Duplicate
TheBLAZZED VENGEANCE FOR HIRE 66	Posted - 2013.03.09 07:59:00 - [17] - Quote slap26 wrote: Kas Croixe wrote: TheBLAZZED wrote: Kas Croixe wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Armor tanks are not weak, they're just much weaker to currently available AV weapons in comparison to Shields. oh yeah, forgot that armor is weak to explosive-type damage. and that literally all the anti-vehicle weapons are explosive/hybrid right now. so shield tanks are the only ones with natural resist to standard AV now. so it's not really weaker, there just isn't a hard counter to shield tanks yet. Lol....Guess you haven't heard of the breach Forge gun. isn't that still explosive type, as in, the weaker against shields explosive type? I understand that it deals incredible damage, but if the tank driver or gunners spot you charging, you're gonna die since you can't move. As a tank driver I would rather go against an advanced breech forge rather then a proto assault forge. I agree however I did get killed in 2 shots with a breach earlier today.
slap26 Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 491	Posted - 2013.03.09 08:04:00 - [18] - Quote TheBLAZZED wrote: Kas Croixe wrote: TheBLAZZED wrote: Kas Croixe wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Armor tanks are not weak, they're just much weaker to currently available AV weapons in comparison to Shields. oh yeah, forgot that armor is weak to explosive-type damage. and that literally all the anti-vehicle weapons are explosive/hybrid right now. so shield tanks are the only ones with natural resist to standard AV now. so it's not really weaker, there just isn't a hard counter to shield tanks yet. Lol....Guess you haven't heard of the breach Forge gun. isn't that still explosive type, as in, the weaker against shields explosive type? I understand that it deals incredible damage, but if the tank driver or gunners spot you charging, you're gonna die since you can't move. Nope, forge Guns get a bonus against shields. Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe it is a 25 percent bonus again shields. Same as swarms bonus against armor. forge hits the same against shields and armor, armor just has waaaaaaaaaaayyyyyy more ehp
slap26 Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 491	Posted - 2013.03.09 08:05:00 - [19] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: doesn't the proto assault charge in like nothing flat? I think its 1.6 seconds with skills or something along those lines, AV guys help me out here?
TheBLAZZED VENGEANCE FOR HIRE 66	Posted - 2013.03.09 08:21:00 - [20] - Quote It has to.... one shot took out 4k shields. Even with 3 damage mods there no way. Maybe he hit the sweet spot but I'm 95% sure he hit my side.

Acturus Galaxy Horizons' Edge 3	Posted - 2013.03.09 10:20:00 - [21] - Quote slap26 wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: doesn't the proto assault charge in like nothing flat? I think its 1.6 seconds with skills or something along those lines, AV guys help me out here? It is 2,5 sec on the assault and you get a bonus of 25% at level 5 forge gun. I have tried to time it with level 4 in Forge gun and the charge time is approximately 1.9 - 2.0 seconds. With level 5 forge it should be 1.875 sec. Fast enough to get three shots at a tank before it escapes unless he has spotted the shooter, their blasters and missiles hurt allot. The breach forge has a 6 second charge and you cannot move while charging, meaning I have to stand still facing the tank for 4-5 seconds (charge time reduce for having level 4 forge gun). Or standing somewhere ready to fire and waiting for the tank to turn the corner usually die 3 out of 4 times before I get the first shot . Not very healthy with the enormous amount of snipers and scouts running randomly around. It is much easier with the assault forge, two quick shots and the tank is running which give the opportunity for a third shot before it is away, enough to kill lesser tanks. The high skilled tankers just leave for a minute and they are back in full force. Works best if there are swarm launchers ready waiting to fire when the forge have removed the shields.
Acturus Galaxy Horizons' Edge 3	Posted - 2013.03.09 10:39:00 - [22] - Quote TheBLAZZED wrote: It has to.... one shot took out 4k shields. Even with 3 damage mods there no way. Maybe he hit the sweet spot but I'm 95% sure he hit my side. The breach can max deal (2100 * 1,25) + (21000,21) + (21000,15) = 3381, this is including 25% from weapon proficiency, two complex damage mods and 15% from the forge proficiency skill. This is for the level 2 Breach Forge Gun, cannot remember the stats for the level 4 Breach Gun, it will be +300-400 all included. It could have been a Proto Forge Gunner with maxed skills and three damage modifiers, he would be close to 4000 in total damage with the breach . Very risky with the high cost of the dropsuit and only the sidearm as protection vs infantry. Hitting the back of the tank is at 150%, that could have been 6000 in damage. It is difficult getting a shot of with the Breach and I personally only use it rarely.
Takahiro Kashuken Intara Direct Action Caldari State 125	Posted - 2013.03.09 11:09:00 - [23] - Quote Gets in 1 lucky game where the entire enemy team are stupid and do not know what AV is Works out from the results that armor is close to OP Yeah no tbh
Gusk Hevv Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 4	Posted - 2013.03.09 11:50:00 - [24] - Quote Never used militia tanks much rocked out in a madrugar now got myself a surya I'M A PROUD GALLENTEAN TANKER!
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 626	Posted - 2013.03.09 19:15:00 - [25] - Quote TheBLAZZED wrote: Kas Croixe wrote: TheBLAZZED wrote: Kas Croixe wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Armor tanks are not weak, they're just much weaker to currently available AV weapons in comparison to Shields. oh yeah, forgot that armor is weak to explosive-type damage. and that literally all the anti-vehicle weapons are explosive/hybrid right now. so shield tanks are the only ones with natural resist to standard AV now. so it's not really weaker, there just isn't a hard counter to shield tanks yet. Lol....Guess you haven't heard of the breach Forge gun. isn't that still explosive type, as in, the weaker against shields explosive type? I understand that it deals incredible damage, but if the tank driver or gunners spot you charging, you're gonna die since you can't move. Nope, forge Guns get a bonus against shields. Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe it is a 25 percent bonus again shields. Same as swarms bonus against armor. As far as i know Forge Gun deals Kinetic Damage, which shields are resistant against, not as resistant as explosive but still doing less than full value. Armor is weakest against explosive (AV grenades, proximity mines, remote explosives, swarm launchers) and Kinetic (Forge Gun) So basically Armor is weak against every AV weapon in the game right now. EDIT: Aside from Flux Grenades which really are not "true" AV. Flux is entirely EM shield damage, so they're most effective against Shield tanks.
TheBLAZZED VENGEANCE FOR HIRE 66	Posted - 2013.03.09 19:22:00 - [26] - Quote Acturus Galaxy wrote: TheBLAZZED wrote: It has to.... one shot took out 4k shields. Even with 3 damage mods there no way. Maybe he hit the sweet spot but I'm 95% sure he hit my side. The breach can max deal (2100 * 1,25) + (21000,21) + (21000,15) = 3381, this is including 25% from weapon proficiency, two complex damage mods and 15% from the forge proficiency skill. This is for the level 2 Breach Forge Gun, cannot remember the stats for the level 4 Breach Gun, it will be +300-400 all included. It could have been a Proto Forge Gunner with maxed skills and three damage modifiers, he would be close to 4000 in total damage with the breach . Very risky with the high cost of the dropsuit and only the sidearm as protection vs infantry. Hitting the back of the tank is at 150%, that could have been 6000 in damage. It is difficult getting a shot of with the Breach and I personally only use it rarely. I also have three resistance modules.(15% each) there is only one way to test it I suppose. Gives me 39% resistance
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2379	Posted - 2013.03.09 19:28:00 - [27] - Quote TheBLAZZED wrote: It has to.... one shot took out 4k shields. Even with 3 damage mods there no way. Maybe he hit the sweet spot but I'm 95% sure he hit my side. thats how broken dmg mods are atm at max turret skills + 3 broken dmg mods (based on the stats they show) proto compressed rails should top off at around 3222 per shot yet does 5000-6000 per shot system been broken for almost 6 months or so now
TheBLAZZED VENGEANCE FOR HIRE 66	Posted - 2013.03.09 19:35:00 - [28] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: TheBLAZZED wrote: It has to.... one shot took out 4k shields. Even with 3 damage mods there no way. Maybe he hit the sweet spot but I'm 95% sure he hit my side. thats how broken dmg mods are atm at max turret skills + 3 broken dmg mods (based on the stats they show) proto compressed rails should top off at around 3222 per shot yet does 5000-6000 per shot system been broken for almost 6 months or so now Was a forge gun not a rail.
Talos Alomar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 458	Posted - 2013.03.09 19:39:00 - [29] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: TheBLAZZED wrote: It has to.... one shot took out 4k shields. Even with 3 damage mods there no way. Maybe he hit the sweet spot but I'm 95% sure he hit my side. thats how broken dmg mods are atm at max turret skills + 3 broken dmg mods (based on the stats they show) proto compressed rails should top off at around 3222 per shot yet does 5000-6000 per shot system been broken for almost 6 months or so now When they fix the damage mods the game will change immensely. I don't know why ccp are dragging their feet on this. They need to fix this so we can actually help balance the game... But a moment about WHY forge guns are better for shield tankers - IIRC they don't get a bonus vs shields, but there is a possibility that they changed that on me and I didn't notice, I'll have to re-science the damage ratings for the different types of damage. The real strength of the forge gun (and all future hybrid AV) vs shield tankers is that they have great dps and that they aren't explosive. Shields generally have a lower total EHP pool than armor tankers. If you can break through a shield in just a couple shots before they can recharge the shields you can rip apart the chewy center very fast.
noob 45 Syndicate of Gods 9	Posted - 2013.03.09 20:34:00 - [30] - Quote I enjoy splashing enemy tanks with my lvl2 assault forge gun in milita heavy gear. From my experience as far as the ease of popping tanks goes, the list from easiest to hardest is something like this: 1. Sica 2. Gunloggi 3. Soma 4. Madrugar 5. Sagiris (only because the average sagiris pilot > average madrugar pilot) 6. Surya An expanded list with other vehicles: 1. Baloch jeep 2. Milita dropship 3. Sica 4. lower tier dropship 5. gunloggi 6. upgraded jeep 7. Soma 8. Madrugar 9. Sagiris 10. tricked out dropships 11. Surya In all honesty I will say a standard heavy dropsuit dude is harder to kill with the forge gun than a gunloggi.



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