man... you guys can't possibly be this blind:

you're forcing folks to play lumped up together.
you're wondering why the "game is so hard"?
you have teams wtih 1 squad and 12 randoms with no mics.

and you think my reasoning is off?


i give you about 3 to 6 months post retail and people will be begging for V2K.


but that is all off topic and i'll split the diff and take half for actually engaging in that.


ping rating is a legit issue:

most of you must not be old enough to remember how bf2 worked. and it did work.
because the cat with the red ping rating (which IS his fault actually, get some better service) ends up shunned.
and then when you get all the red ping people out of the regular servers, they can all STILL go and play on a server with each other. nobody is stopping them from playing.

they shouldn't be playing with the green ping players. that's just the way it is.

you guys are still trying to figure out how to keep things "fair". there is no such thing as fair after kindergarten.

put in a player ping rating for a couple months and if you don't like it take it back out.
it's a not a game changer in the sense of balance or mechanics.
once you have it in there, nobody is gonna want it out.

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V2K isn't for noobs?

wtf is wrong with you people?

V2K is used by team players to make sure the team is a team:

when you have 6 snipers not doing anything useful, you kick em... like the complaints on the other threads.

when you have someone jump in your tank and drive off you kick em... like the complaints on the other threads.

when you have a guy sitting still in the mcc for 3 minutes you kick em... like the complaints from the other threads.

same thing for the racists, the micless cluess morons who just won't try and don't get it and are only draning your teams tickets.


AND for the guy with the red ping bar that whenever her shows up the server goes to hell and you know who he is because now that they coded the ping bar into the game, you get used to seeing who is and isn't running a good connection and you end up memorizing the guys with the bad ones on sight and so at the beginning of the match you hear someone on team channel go "ohhhhhh jeez it's Wally Whathisnuts and his red ping bar... get him outta here folks" and then everyone chuckles and agrees. and suddenly the games stop lagging as much.

you guys are used to lag because most of you are under 30 and never experienced the ping bar/v2k.

you DID experience V2K in the hands of a buncha kids and that was during mag, but was a failed game and it failed for the very reason that it catered to and protected the casuals and hamstrung all the teams until the game died.

and that's what ccp is starting to do over here. like i said:

builid the ping rating into the system since it's not a mechanics issue and ask the community if they want it out.

dollar sez they won't

as per the V2K issue, like i said, give it a few months post retail and once you guys start feeding money into the meter then you'l beggin for V2K.

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Not sure we need vote to kick. What we really need though is the ability for directors to kick people from corporation matches. This becomes more important as corporation matches become more relevant, important, and you get the ability to bring none-corp members into corp matches.

I think a lot of these kind of features, ability to kick and friendly fire,

"voting to kick bad players just so you can invite good players "

oh yeah i see my problem:

i thought you guys were smart.

my mistake.



oh and 1 more thing:


if the matches don't count, as you say, then why should it matter who plays?

why SHOULDN'T folks be able to kick out the bad players and keep the good ones?
you said it didn't matter... so lets cut it the other way: put in the V2K and it won't hurt anyone because like you said, kicking em outta matches that don't matter won't matter.

you guys are clueless, seriously.

my guess is some of you were kicked for being garbagey type players and thus are trying not to relive the experience of being kicked again.

like i said, once the game goes retail and enough folks lose out on money they spent because they got stuck in rooms with a buncha shipdits that cost em money... like real i spent money on stuff money... folks will want it.

especially in null.

if you don't have V2K in null with FF on, holy hell are you opening a can of worms.

if you don't have FF on in null, then really... you don't have a game.

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1. V2K is ABSOLUTELY needed in team games like dust. You guys are already dodgin out of it? seriously? damn. that's too bad. you're gonna end up forcing a buncha new players to be saddled with either useless players, afk'ers or worse, redline camp snipers. not to mention the einsteins who jump in other peoples vehicle drops. No man... there is no abuse of V2K. that's just an excuse that average players use to get out from under the kick. if you're a good player, you're not threaened by it. if you're a bad player, hell yeah you're scared. better get better. fast.

OK now THIS I can get behind. The kill though should come in the form of a pink laser from orbit. Just so everyone who sees him die knows it was due to the vote. Need to emphasis it to EVERYONE. :D

Casual player in a casual clan complaining that he cant V2K ppl out of a casual high sec pubbie game which has no impact on anything

Yet he calls us blind

"voting to kick bad players just so you can invite good players "

oh yeah i see my problem:

i thought you guys were smart.

my mistake.



oh and 1 more thing:


if the matches don't count, as you say, then why should it matter who plays?

why SHOULDN'T folks be able to kick out the bad players and keep the good ones?
you said it didn't matter... so lets cut it the other way: put in the V2K and it won't hurt anyone because like you said, kicking em outta matches that don't matter won't matter.

you guys are clueless, seriously.

my guess is some of you were kicked for being garbagey type players and thus are trying not to relive the experience of being kicked again.

like i said, once the game goes retail and enough folks lose out on money they spent because they got stuck in rooms with a buncha shipdits that cost em money... like real i spent money on stuff money... folks will want it.

especially in null.

if you don't have V2K in null with FF on, holy hell are you opening a can of worms.

if you don't have FF on in null, then really... you don't have a game.

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Responding to the OP though:



When we do add any kind of ping or latency meter it will probably be in the battle finder for matches that are not of the instant battle variety and will be your connection to the battle server that battle is being hosted on.

So this will be relevant to any custom matches we host for special events, factional warfare battles, and corporation battles.

Vote to kick in a corps match is another story though, although i wouldn't just say yes to it, without thinking a lot more about the pros and cons.

Not sure we need vote to kick. What we really need though is the ability for directors to kick people from corporation matches. This becomes more important as corporation matches become more relevant, important, and you get the ability to bring none-corp members into corp matches.

I think a lot of these kind of features, ability to kick and friendly fire,

1. V2K is ABSOLUTELY needed in team games like dust. You guys are already dodgin out of it? seriously? damn. that's too bad. you're gonna end up forcing a buncha new players to be saddled with either useless players, afk'ers or worse, redline camp snipers. not to mention the einsteins who jump in other peoples vehicle drops. No man... there is no abuse of V2K. that's just an excuse that average players use to get out from under the kick. if you're a good player, you're not threaened by it. if you're a bad player, hell yeah you're scared. better get better. fast.


2. Match ping doesn't matter. What matters is PLAYER PING rating. Who cares if a match is crappy. We need to know WHO is draggin the match down with their lag. All the players in the match should have a ping rating = green yellow or red. then you combine V2K with a red ping rating and suddenly the match is green.


please don't tell me you're gonna protect the casuals with the lack of V2K.

that's just a stupid f'ing move.


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i know all about hit detection and server side vs client side.

that's not a pro tip, it's just common knowledge.




and hell yeah he should be kicked for laggin.


as well as:

1. useless micless players
2. camp snipers
3. kids
4. basically anyone who doesn't know what they are doing.


you guys are all montessori about it now.

bet you'll be singin a different tune when the time comes.


you think i'm a casual gamer?

you must be new here.

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Most importantly, since these battles are not paid for by you, but by an NPC entity (Blood Raiders, Mordu's Legion, Templis Dragonaurs, etc.), no other merc hired by said entity should have the right to cancel a contract that another randomly selected player has accepted to fight that match for that NPC entity. The cancellation of such a contract would have to be up to the NPC entity itself, meaning the match making needs to be fixed.

"What we are adding in the next release, thanks to the supreme efforts of CCP Nullabor, is a quality graphic so that when looking at battles in the battle finder you get an idea of what your connection speed to the battle is"

is that per server?


or per player?

if you make it per player, make sure you add in vote to kick or it's useless.

still, good 2 hear.

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Vote to kick is a terrible idea if it's going to be used for these reasons, the game is for everyone, not for a squad of players to decide who makes the grade to be allowed to play. And from the pro-V2K comments in here, that is exactly what most people want it for. To be able to dictate how others play the game.

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So you mean to tell me that if a person that's doing nothing but sitting in the spawn area,shooting at his teammates and just wasting ammo and time by shooting straight into the air,and NOT helping his team win,he deserves to not be kicked?If you wanna play the game that way,fine,just not on my time nor in my matches.

There are definite times where some jackass needs to be kicked out of a match.There just needs to be a system that prevents people from abusing it.As I mentioned above,start penalizing players for failed VTK attempts.

I just now thought of another thing to add to the VTK system.Maybe if in order to VTK,it will cost your team some ISK to kick a player.Let's just call it giving money back to the people that hired you because one of the mercs isn't pulling his weight.Kind of a rebate of sorts that comes out of the pocket of the mercs on the field.Sometimes it can be worth a little money to remove players as well.

Casual player in a casual clan complaining that he cant V2K ppl out of a casual high sec pubbie game which has no impact on anything

Not sure we need vote to kick. What we really need though is the ability for directors to kick people from corporation matches. This becomes more important as corporation matches become more relevant, important, and you get the ability to bring none-corp members into corp matches.

I think a lot of these kind of features, ability to kick and friendly fire,