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BASSMEANT
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.03.07 13:13:00 -
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"What we are adding in the next release, thanks to the supreme efforts of CCP Nullabor, is a quality graphic so that when looking at battles in the battle finder you get an idea of what your connection speed to the battle is"
is that per server?
or per player?
if you make it per player, make sure you add in vote to kick or it's useless.
still, good 2 hear.
Peace B |
Logi Blade
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2013.03.07 13:16:00 -
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Do not add the infamous over abused "Vote to kick" or many will leave. |
Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
472
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Posted - 2013.03.07 13:18:00 -
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I know people I'd vote to kick, and it as nothing to do with ping times. |
BASSMEANT
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
144
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Posted - 2013.03.08 14:42:00 -
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V2K has to be in.
If it's not, then this game is f'ed
leaving V2K out and FF off will kill this game faster then anything else.
Peace B |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1893
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Posted - 2013.03.08 14:56:00 -
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V2K is a stupid idea in this kind of game.
And I'm pretty confident that, given the context, any ping rating will be for YOUR connection quality to that battle server (which matters more than an individual player's ping anyway) rather than showing everyone's ping. |
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
1135
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Posted - 2013.03.08 14:57:00 -
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BASSMEANT wrote:V2K has to be in.
If it's not, then this game is f'ed
leaving V2K out and FF off will kill this game faster then anything else.
Peace B
Not sure we need vote to kick. What we really need though is the ability for directors to kick people from corporation matches. This becomes more important as corporation matches become more relevant, important, and you get the ability to bring none-corp members into corp matches.
I think a lot of these kind of features, ability to kick and friendly fire, |
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Takahiro Kashuken
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
121
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Posted - 2013.03.08 15:06:00 -
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V2K gets abused to **** in every game
In pub matches V2K would be useless because you would prob get another useless player in anyways, and since its high sec pub matches it really doesnt matter if you win or lose or whatever because both sides will be **** anyways
V2K will only have its place in corp matches where you need ppl to what needs to be done and if they dont boot em and get someone else in who can do the job |
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
1140
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Posted - 2013.03.08 15:09:00 -
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Responding to the OP though:
BASSMEANT wrote:"What we are adding in the next release, thanks to the supreme efforts of CCP Nullabor, is a quality graphic so that when looking at battles in the battle finder you get an idea of what your connection speed to the battle is"
is that per server?
or per player?
if you make it per player, make sure you add in vote to kick or it's useless.
still, good 2 hear.
Peace B
When we do add any kind of ping or latency meter it will probably be in the battle finder for matches that are not of the instant battle variety and will be your connection to the battle server that battle is being hosted on.
So this will be relevant to any custom matches we host for special events, factional warfare battles, and corporation battles. |
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BASSMEANT
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
145
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Posted - 2013.03.08 15:16:00 -
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1. V2K is ABSOLUTELY needed in team games. You guys are already dodgin out of it? seriously? damn. that's too bad.
2. Match ping doesn't matter. What matters is PLAYER PING rating. Who cares if a match is crappy. We need to know WHO is draggin the match down with their lag. All the players in the match should have a ping rating = green yellow or red. then you combine V2K with a red ping rating and suddenly the match is green.
please don't tell me you're gonna protect the casuals with the lack of V2K.
that's just a stupid f'ing move.
Peace B |
Takahiro Kashuken
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
122
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Posted - 2013.03.08 15:27:00 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:BASSMEANT wrote:Gibberish
Peace B Not sure we need vote to kick. What we really need though is the ability for directors to kick people from corporation matches. This becomes more important as corporation matches become more relevant, important, and you get the ability to bring none-corp members into corp matches.I think a lot of these kind of features, ability to kick and friendly fire,
Casual player in a casual clan complaining that he cant V2K ppl out of a casual high sec pubbie game which has no impact on anything
CCP dev highlighted in bold wants V2K to be actually useful |
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Maximus Stryker
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
393
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Posted - 2013.03.08 15:35:00 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:BASSMEANT wrote:V2K has to be in.
If it's not, then this game is f'ed
leaving V2K out and FF off will kill this game faster then anything else.
Peace B Not sure we need vote to kick. What we really need though is the ability for directors to kick people from corporation matches. This becomes more important as corporation matches become more relevant, important, and you get the ability to bring none-corp members into corp matches. I think a lot of these kind of features, ability to kick and friendly fire, DING DING DING...we have a winner |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1895
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Posted - 2013.03.08 15:46:00 -
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BASSMEANT wrote:1. V2K is ABSOLUTELY needed in team games like dust. You guys are already dodgin out of it? seriously? damn. that's too bad. you're gonna end up forcing a buncha new players to be saddled with either useless players, afk'ers or worse, redline camp snipers. not to mention the einsteins who jump in other peoples vehicle drops. No man... there is no abuse of V2K. that's just an excuse that average players use to get out from under the kick. if you're a good player, you're not threaened by it. if you're a bad player, hell yeah you're scared. better get better. fast.
2. Match ping doesn't matter. What matters is PLAYER PING rating. Who cares if a match is crappy. We need to know WHO is draggin the match down with their lag. All the players in the match should have a ping rating = green yellow or red. then you combine V2K with a red ping rating and suddenly the match is green.
please don't tell me you're gonna protect the casuals with the lack of V2K.
that's just a stupid f'ing move.
Peace B Good luck to those "casuals" getting into a game that has any influence on corp battles.
And good luck using V2K because one of the other team's best is out-of-region and has a higher ping. He's going to lag out the match! (pro-tip: That's not how server-side almost everything works anyway) Kick him! Uhhh... no. He's part of OUR team, not YOURS. Look after your own people, maybe?
Your ping to the BATTLE SERVER is what will have the most impact on your play experience when movement tracking and hit detection are handled server-side. If you have great ping, and another guy's sitting at 8000 or something (that's not milliseconds any more. That's just REGULAR SECONDS), then he's going to be showing up on your screen pretty consistently in the exact place THE SERVER says he is. When you aim at where the server says he is, your shots will hit. He won't see you, because he'll be looking for where you had been 8 seconds earlier when the server sent its last message updating him on your location, but you'll see where he actually IS, and you'll aim where he actually IS, according to the server, and when your shots hit, he'll find out that he died 8 seconds after you're done with him.
Yes, that's an extreme (to the point of "you can't get broadband that slow") example. But you can see the point. |
Midas Man ll
Talon Strike Force LTD Sleepless Knights Alliance
51
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Posted - 2013.03.08 15:51:00 -
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Yes to Ping, No to V2K,
All we will see with V2K is the elitists booting everyone from there team just before the match expires so they get all the spoils of war for themselves, this happens in every game that V2k is included in. And as DUST is currently riddled with exploiters this will ruin the experience for everyone else. |
BASSMEANT
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
145
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Posted - 2013.03.08 15:54:00 -
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i know all about hit detection and server side vs client side.
that's not a pro tip, it's just common knowledge.
and hell yeah he should be kicked for laggin.
as well as:
1. useless micless players 2. camp snipers 3. kids 4. basically anyone who doesn't know what they are doing.
you guys are all montessori about it now.
bet you'll be singin a different tune when the time comes.
you think i'm a casual gamer?
you must be new here.
Peace B |
Yagihige
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
194
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Posted - 2013.03.08 15:58:00 -
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What about useful micless players?
Can't i play without a mic now? |
Takahiro Kashuken
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
123
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Posted - 2013.03.08 16:00:00 -
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BASSMEANT wrote:i know all about hit detection and server side vs client side.
that's not a pro tip, it's just common knowledge.
and hell yeah he should be kicked for laggin.
as well as:
1. useless micless players 2. camp snipers 3. kids 4. basically anyone who doesn't know what they are doing.
you guys are all montessori about it now.
bet you'll be singin a different tune when the time comes.
you think i'm a casual gamer?
you must be new here.
Peace B
Casual player in a casual clan complaining that he cant V2K ppl out of a casual high sec pubbie game which has no impact on anything
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Vrain Matari
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
440
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Posted - 2013.03.08 16:24:00 -
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Claiming VTK doesn't get abused is disingenuous, especially for anybody who comes out of MAG. That's where I learned that the primary use of VTK is poops'n'giggles.
In thinking about VTK, it seems that the mechanics for hisec pubs and losec corp battles definitely need to be different.
There's separate legit issues at play - ping, teamkilling, non-participation, poor player stats, working against the team, etc.
Can one mechanism justly address all these issues? |
Lasarte Ioni
Noob Gaming
73
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Posted - 2013.03.08 16:34:00 -
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Ok, we got it, we are playing YOUR game so even if everyone sees you are an elitist scum that plays pubs because "atm CB are meaningless", you will continue to play pub matches just to roll over noobs and ofc you want to be able to bring your squad in and get control over the match, not as a player but as some kind of admin (BF3 admins anyone? ) well, i'm sorry to tell you, the game isn't yours and if you don't like a pub match BREAKING NEWS! YOU can leave it w/o needing a single vote! how awesome is that! but probably you can't even lose 10 mins worth of SP can you? |
Zekain Kade
BetaMax.
955
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Posted - 2013.03.08 16:37:00 -
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I want a vote to kill" option :) |
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
1147
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Posted - 2013.03.08 16:48:00 -
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Zekain Kade wrote:I want a vote to kill" option :)
OK now THIS I can get behind. The kill though should come in the form of a pink laser from orbit. Just so everyone who sees him die knows it was due to the vote. Need to emphasis it to EVERYONE. :D |
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MORTADEL0
Grupo de Asalto Chacal CRONOS.
48
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Posted - 2013.03.08 16:52:00 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:BASSMEANT wrote:V2K has to be in.
If it's not, then this game is f'ed
leaving V2K out and FF off will kill this game faster then anything else.
Peace B Not sure we need vote to kick. What we really need though is the ability for directors to kick people from corporation matches. This becomes more important as corporation matches become more relevant, important, and you get the ability to bring none-corp members into corp matches. I think a lot of these kind of features, ability to kick and friendly fire,
yes, please https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=59419&find=unread
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1898
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Posted - 2013.03.08 16:54:00 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:Zekain Kade wrote:I want a vote to kill" option :) OK now THIS I can get behind. The kill though should come in the form of a pink laser from orbit. Just so everyone who sees him die knows it was due to the vote. Need to emphasis it to EVERYONE. :D Relevant. Again.
Please make that show up right before the end-game stats page if someone got vote-killed by unanimous agreement from their entire team? Or have it pop up every time anyone gets vote-killed, just to make the reason REALLY clear... |
steadyhand amarr
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
342
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Posted - 2013.03.08 17:09:00 -
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CONCORD ASSASSIN just sayin |
Kushmir Nadian
Valor Coalition RISE of LEGION
80
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Posted - 2013.03.08 17:39:00 -
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I've always played games with with VTK as well, hell I got voted out of my first SOCOM game for shooting a friendly (and rightfully so) I didnt cry about it because I was DEAD WRONG. Some of you need to let go of the butt-hurt about getting kicked in your gaming past.
That said, Dust is a different animal. As long as we have the option to boot saboteurs from corp battles and other large scale Null-sec engagements it should be fine.
High sec is where guys are supposed to learn. VTK on a guy because he sucks isnt going to make him better. And as long as we have good grouping tools we can form our squads outside of matches and won't need to kick for a friend.
I REPEAT: As long as we have good grouping tools. |
Vrain Matari
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
441
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Posted - 2013.03.08 17:39:00 -
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steadyhand amarr wrote:CONCORD ASSASSIN just sayin +1. Would be so very cool to see the assasin coming - i'd start teamkilling just for the thrill of getting hunted down ;) |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
3039
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Posted - 2013.03.08 17:41:00 -
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no to VTK if anything the server would be the deciding factor of dropping a player who's latency is high enough to longer have a good connection. |
Captain-Awesome
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
355
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Posted - 2013.03.08 17:45:00 -
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bassment, your reasons to kick are pretty stupid.
if someone is lagging, it's not their fault, if someone is afk, they may come back - there's already an auto boot.
logic = flawed. I'd vote to kick you every game just because I could. |
Dusters Blog
Galactic News Network
143
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Posted - 2013.03.08 17:56:00 -
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Vrain Matari wrote:steadyhand amarr wrote:CONCORD ASSASSIN just sayin +1. Would be so very cool to see the assasin coming - i'd start teamkilling just for the thrill of getting hunted down ;)
we'd actually like to see defective [teamkilling] clones get deactivated like they were in Templar One. would fit better into the lore. auto boot them after 3 friendly team kills or 6 friendly 'assists'. |
BASSMEANT
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
146
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Posted - 2013.03.08 18:06:00 -
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man... you guys can't possibly be this blind:
you're forcing folks to play lumped up together. you're wondering why the "game is so hard"? you have teams wtih 1 squad and 12 randoms with no mics.
and you think my reasoning is off?
i give you about 3 to 6 months post retail and people will be begging for V2K.
but that is all off topic and i'll split the diff and take half for actually engaging in that.
ping rating is a legit issue:
most of you must not be old enough to remember how bf2 worked. and it did work. because the cat with the red ping rating (which IS his fault actually, get some better service) ends up shunned. and then when you get all the red ping people out of the regular servers, they can all STILL go and play on a server with each other. nobody is stopping them from playing.
they shouldn't be playing with the green ping players. that's just the way it is.
you guys are still trying to figure out how to keep things "fair". there is no such thing as fair after kindergarten.
put in a player ping rating for a couple months and if you don't like it take it back out. it's a not a game changer in the sense of balance or mechanics. once you have it in there, nobody is gonna want it out.
Peace B |
Nstomper
Th3-ReSiStAnCe-SEC.0
206
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Posted - 2013.03.08 18:26:00 -
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no **** v2k we dont need an option to make the game easier for people , i never once liked games that cater to noobs , eve is suppossed to be a cruel universe isnt it? voting to kick bad players just so you can invite good players and have your team win isnt going to work any where except for corp matches , so if ccp were to add it i hope they only add it to corp matches and not matches with random people |
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