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Zekain Kade BetaMax. 951	Posted - 2013.03.07 04:06:00 - [1] - Quote I honestly want to know. Do those who actually revert to sniping when they are being red lined actually think they are benefiting the team in helping those who are still trying to take the points? Getting a couple lucky kills against other snipers is not helping. Running in with me as an assault class or any other class that DOES NOT HAVE A SNIPER would benefit the team more. If I see a sh*it load of allies sniping, then you better watch your ass, because i'll be running you all down until you get the point that you are of no use to the team.
Utsuru Kaiju IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 13	Posted - 2013.03.07 04:27:00 - [2] - Quote Zekain Kade wrote: I honestly want to know. Do those who actually revert to sniping when they are being red lined actually think they are benefiting the team in helping those who are still trying to take the points? Getting a couple lucky kills against other snipers is not helping. Running in with me as an assault class or any other class that DOES NOT HAVE A SNIPER would benefit the team more. If I see a sh*it load of allies sniping, then you better watch your ass, because i'll be running you all down until you get the point that you are of no use to the team. I snipe the whole game, sometimes from the redline. If our team is pushed back to the redline, they shouldn't start sniping trying to get a few skills, they should stick with what they're specced into and try to take back some points. As a sniper who frequently gets first place, I wish you would look at what you said a bit more critically. Us halfway-competent snipers can lockdown objectives and make groundtroops question showing themselves in entire areas of the battlefield. If the assault guys on the ground would handle business and not run around like headless chickens, us decent snipers would be more apt to help. We're not all bad, but most of us are.
XxWarlordxX97 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 326	Posted - 2013.03.07 04:29:00 - [3] - Quote i just love getting headshots
Harkon Vysarii Dead Six Initiative 12	Posted - 2013.03.07 04:34:00 - [4] - Quote As the Assault trooper on the end of that sniper bullet that just smashed through my face plate...... you put the fear in me....
Syther Shadows CowTek 26	Posted - 2013.03.07 04:44:00 - [5] - Quote it's not when there losing its when they have no skill i join a game we are pushed back to red zone i just run out cap 1 point call in a lav use it to get to two other by the time the enemy get to the first point i capped (at the far end of the map) ive capped the other two sites and we should be set. well they get owned and we get pushed back and they just kept sniping there just bad players that's all there is to it
Harkon Vysarii Dead Six Initiative 12	Posted - 2013.03.07 04:52:00 - [6] - Quote Syther Shadows wrote: it's not when there losing its when they have no skill i join a game we are pushed back to red zone i just run out cap 1 point call in a lav use it to get to two other by the time the enemy get to the first point i capped (at the far end of the map) ive capped the other two sites and we should be set. well they get owned and we get pushed back and they just kept sniping there just bad players that's all there is to it Dude dont go into this no skill buisness. In every game people run around pretending like one particular set up is the pro set, FPS bravado and all that crap. Some people just like having a high K/D ratio, they arent bad players they are just not team players.
DaddyKillsEmAll United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 8	Posted - 2013.03.07 04:59:00 - [7] - Quote Harkon Vysarii wrote: Syther Shadows wrote: it's not when there losing its when they have no skill i join a game we are pushed back to red zone i just run out cap 1 point call in a lav use it to get to two other by the time the enemy get to the first point i capped (at the far end of the map) ive capped the other two sites and we should be set. well they get owned and we get pushed back and they just kept sniping there just bad players that's all there is to it Dude dont go into this no skill buisness. In every game people run around pretending like one particular set up is the pro set, FPS bravado and all that crap. Some people just like having a high K/D ratio, they arent bad players they are just not team players. +1
Syther Shadows CowTek 26	Posted - 2013.03.07 05:04:00 - [8] - Quote Harkon Vysarii wrote: Syther Shadows wrote: it's not when there losing its when they have no skill i join a game we are pushed back to red zone i just run out cap 1 point call in a lav use it to get to two other by the time the enemy get to the first point i capped (at the far end of the map) ive capped the other two sites and we should be set. well they get owned and we get pushed back and they just kept sniping there just bad players that's all there is to it Dude dont go into this no skill buisness. In every game people run around pretending like one particular set up is the pro set, FPS bravado and all that crap. Some people just like having a high K/D ratio, they arent bad players they are just not team players. no they spawned in and attempted it they attempted to hold the points it was our blob vs there blob and we still got owned we had a chance and we did not have the skill to do it so they went back to redline sniping and i went back to ninja capping points and my dear beloved swarmy vs there tank
Harkon Vysarii Dead Six Initiative 15	Posted - 2013.03.07 05:06:00 - [9] - Quote Syther Shadows wrote: Harkon Vysarii wrote: Syther Shadows wrote: it's not when there losing its when they have no skill i join a game we are pushed back to red zone i just run out cap 1 point call in a lav use it to get to two other by the time the enemy get to the first point i capped (at the far end of the map) ive capped the other two sites and we should be set. well they get owned and we get pushed back and they just kept sniping there just bad players that's all there is to it Dude dont go into this no skill buisness. In every game people run around pretending like one particular set up is the pro set, FPS bravado and all that crap. Some people just like having a high K/D ratio, they arent bad players they are just not team players. no they spawned in and attempted it they attempted to hold the points it was our blob vs there blob and we still got owned we had a chance and we did not have the skill to do it so they went back to redline sniping and i went back to ninja capping points and my dear beloved swarmy vs there tank So you are just a balls out "IMA KILL YUZ ALL, AN NOT GIVE UP" kinda guy. Thats repectable.
Utsuru Kaiju IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 13	Posted - 2013.03.07 05:07:00 - [10] - Quote Harkon Vysarii wrote: Syther Shadows wrote: it's not when there losing its when they have no skill i join a game we are pushed back to red zone i just run out cap 1 point call in a lav use it to get to two other by the time the enemy get to the first point i capped (at the far end of the map) ive capped the other two sites and we should be set. well they get owned and we get pushed back and they just kept sniping there just bad players that's all there is to it Dude dont go into this no skill buisness. In every game people run around pretending like one particular set up is the pro set, FPS bravado and all that crap. Some people just like having a high K/D ratio, they arent bad players they are just not team players. Even mediocre snipers make good team players. I try my best to contribute to the team by holding objectives, area denial, relaying information, etc. The K/D just comes with it it's not the end all be all. Some snipers out there are doing more than you think in terms of contributing to the team. Again, most are awful but there's a few good ones out there that really do help turn the tide.

Harkon Vysarii Dead Six Initiative 15	Posted - 2013.03.07 05:08:00 - [11] - Quote Harkon Vysarii wrote: As the Assault trooper on the end of that sniper bullet that just smashed through my face plate...... you put the fear in me....
Syther Shadows CowTek 26	Posted - 2013.03.07 05:11:00 - [12] - Quote Harkon Vysarii wrote: Syther Shadows wrote: Harkon Vysarii wrote: Syther Shadows wrote: it's not when there losing its when they have no skill i join a game we are pushed back to red zone i just run out cap 1 point call in a lav use it to get to two other by the time the enemy get to the first point i capped (at the far end of the map) ive capped the other two sites and we should be set. well they get owned and we get pushed back and they just kept sniping there just bad players that's all there is to it Dude dont go into this no skill buisness. In every game people run around pretending like one particular set up is the pro set, FPS bravado and all that crap. Some people just like having a high K/D ratio, they arent bad players they are just not team players. no they spawned in and attempted it they attempted to hold the points it was our blob vs there blob and we still got owned we had a chance and we did not have the skill to do it so they went back to redline sniping and i went back to ninja capping points and my dear beloved swarmy vs there tank So you are just a balls out "IMA KILL YUZ ALL, AN NOT GIVE UP" kinda guy. Thats repectable. dude i came first on the leader board on one map my score 0/7 if i was that type of player id be the typical Assault suit ar shield tanking player you see today no im running around in the scout suit placing drop links capping points spotting tanks using anti vehicle caping installations im getting sick of people who just run around with a ar and kill people you know if you actually try and take your time capping a point is REALLY easy you just need to wait till there all spawned and moving to the front line
Harkon Vysarii Dead Six Initiative 15	Posted - 2013.03.07 05:14:00 - [13] - Quote AHAHAHA THATS ME TOO. Im that Assault Trooper as well.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1868	Posted - 2013.03.07 05:16:00 - [14] - Quote If my team is redlined, ALL my characters have "Free Hugs" fittings with Drop Uplinks. I break spawncamps for my team. When this results in nothing more than a second sniper perch, I facepalm, and continue to try and find an opening from which to turn the match around, or I give up and just go on a Shotgun killing spree, preferentially targeting enemies who are heading towards a position our Snipers can hit them. Or letting heavies get into Sniper LoS and take a few hits before stealing the kill. Good times.
Shyeer Alvarin Dead Six Initiative 50	Posted - 2013.03.07 05:18:00 - [15] - Quote I'm that Murder Medic escorting my squad around picking people up as they get dropped by snipers. And that Dropship pilot dropping my squad on bad kids heads. And that dirtbag ruining peoples day with an OB.
Syther Shadows CowTek 26	Posted - 2013.03.07 05:20:00 - [16] - Quote Harkon Vysarii wrote: AHAHAHA THATS ME TOO. Im that Assault Trooper as well. THEN GET YOUR ASS IN MY GAMES I NEED SOME ONE TO HOLD THE LINE SO I CAN DO MY JOB
Heathen Bastard Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2013.03.07 05:28:00 - [17] - Quote I've redline sniped twice. and both of those times, my team was pinned in the redline by the other team's snipers. I killed/scared them off for long enough for the people in the proper suits to break through and cap a point. both games were lost causes unfortunately, but I feel my contributions( covering the assaults, logi's and heavies) made it a less curbstompy loss.
Shyeer Alvarin Dead Six Initiative 50	Posted - 2013.03.07 05:33:00 - [18] - Quote Hokay. Seriously though. I've sniped from the redline before acting as a rear scout for my squad. I've even had games where my -entire squad- sniped. Lacking a ridiculous sniper, having snipers work in tandem is more effective. Two snipers picking the same tarkets are guaranteed to get kills, and lots of them. Having discovered -that- for myself and having been seemingly one-shot in my heavy suits before, I started having a certain appreciation for the coordination necessary for those snipers running in pairs in Skirmish. There's a significant level of coordination required to pull off a successful snipe-squad like that. Having a third man to counter-countersnipe keeps them alive. The counter-counter might die, but the primary snipers keep on trucking.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 3018	Posted - 2013.03.07 05:34:00 - [19] - Quote The great joys of lone wolfing. Hunting down the escapees of the red line. Nailed 4 today trying to take a supply depot.
Harkon Vysarii Dead Six Initiative 17	Posted - 2013.03.07 05:36:00 - [20] - Quote Shyeer Alvarin wrote: I'm that Murder Medic escorting my squad around picking people up as they get dropped by snipers. And that Dropship pilot dropping my squad on bad kids heads. And that dirtbag ruining peoples day with an OB. OH **** HE'S HERE HE KNOWS....WHAT HAVE I DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Shyeer Alvarin Dead Six Initiative 50	Posted - 2013.03.07 05:39:00 - [21] - Quote I'm watching you Harkon. Always... Watching...
Heathen Bastard Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2013.03.07 05:42:00 - [22] - Quote Shyeer Alvarin wrote: I'm watching you Harkon. Always... Watching... stalky...
Harkon Vysarii Dead Six Initiative 18	Posted - 2013.03.07 05:45:00 - [23] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: Shyeer Alvarin wrote: I'm watching you Harkon. Always... Watching... stalky... He is my CEO he should be spying on me
Heathen Bastard Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2013.03.07 05:48:00 - [24] - Quote Harkon Vysarii wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: Shyeer Alvarin wrote: I'm watching you Harkon. Always... Watching... stalky... He is my CEO he should be spying on me too much watching. always implies he see you showering. and that's just creepy.
Shyeer Alvarin Dead Six Initiative 50	Posted - 2013.03.07 05:53:00 - [25] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: Harkon Vysarii wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: Shyeer Alvarin wrote: I'm watching you Harkon. Always... Watching... stalky... He is my CEO he should be spying on me too much watching. always implies he see you showering. and that's just creepy. According to the water usage meters, Harkon doesn't shower enough.
Heathen Bastard Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2013.03.07 05:55:00 - [26] - Quote Shyeer Alvarin wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: Harkon Vysarii wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: Shyeer Alvarin wrote: I'm watching you Harkon. Always... Watching... stalky... He is my CEO he should be spying on me too much watching. always implies he see you showering. and that's just creepy. According to the water usage meters, Harkon doesn't shower enough. Tell him to shower more! Just because you're out killing people for a living does not mean you have to smell like blood and gore. You're representing a corporation!
lowratehitman Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 328	Posted - 2013.03.07 05:55:00 - [27] - Quote I have made a habit of when the enemy is red lined, to just go back to my redline and use that time to clean house, cook dinner, take a dump, just anything that needs to be done. 75% of all redline games are over at that moment due to lack of desire to push foward, no reward, and the "ohh my k/d is ruined " mentality.
Shyeer Alvarin Dead Six Initiative 50	Posted - 2013.03.07 05:58:00 - [28] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: Tell him to shower more! Just because you're out killing people for a living does not mean you have to smell like blood and gore. You're representing a corporation! He doesn't know it yet, but technically, every member of Dead Six is one of our representatives. I don't make Dead6 what is it. The membership does. They are my spokespeople.
Fraceska Opus Arcana Orion Empire 97	Posted - 2013.03.07 06:01:00 - [29] - Quote Worst thing about a sniper coming from a logi is the moment he gets up with no other red dots around. Pick someone up only to have their head explode!
Heathen Bastard Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2013.03.07 06:02:00 - [30] - Quote Shyeer Alvarin wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: Tell him to shower more! Just because you're out killing people for a living does not mean you have to smell like blood and gore. You're representing a corporation! He doesn't know it yet, but technically, every member of Dead Six is one of our representatives. I don't make Dead6 what is it. The membership does. They are my spokespeople. Curse text's inability to properly translate hand gestures/ inflection. the "you're representing a corporation" bit was for Harkon. Self respect and hygiene goes a long way when you have to represent a group. it's a corporation made by mercenaries, every single one should be a representative of the whole.

Harkon Vysarii Dead Six Initiative 18	Posted - 2013.03.07 06:04:00 - [31] - Quote Shy that isnt fair. Im just super effiicient when it comes to showers okay!
Hagintora Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 70	Posted - 2013.03.07 06:10:00 - [32] - Quote If I see that my team is losing (as in we're at less than ahlf Armor on our MCC, and the Reds still haven't lost their Shields yet), I'll switch over to Sniper and start picking off as many people as I can. Usually I've found that even when losing the match, the clone count is still about the same. So I'll do my best to still try and bring a win out of the situation by Cloning Out the opposing team. Sometimes you've been beaten so hard that you're going to lose even if you cap all the objectives, so the only way to pull victory out of the jaws of defeat is to Clone Out the enemy. Now if we've been redlined early on, oh hell no, I'm in my Shotty-Scout cappin' letters as much as I can. But I know when to change tactics and if the Reds can't adapt, that's their problem.
Shyeer Alvarin Dead Six Initiative 50	Posted - 2013.03.07 06:13:00 - [33] - Quote Harkon Vysarii wrote: Shy that isnt fair. Im just super effiicient when it comes to showers okay! Carebear stare has evolved into... CEO Glare
Heathen Bastard Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2013.03.07 06:17:00 - [34] - Quote Shyeer Alvarin wrote: Harkon Vysarii wrote: Shy that isnt fair. Im just super effiicient when it comes to showers okay! Carebear stare has evolved into... CEO Glare Bet you got nothing on my momma. you can actually feel the air chill when she's glaring at'cha.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1868	Posted - 2013.03.07 06:25:00 - [35] - Quote Hagintora wrote: If I see that my team is losing (as in we're at less than ahlf Armor on our MCC, and the Reds still haven't lost their Shields yet), I'll switch over to Sniper and start picking off as many people as I can. Usually I've found that even when losing the match, the clone count is still about the same. So I'll do my best to still try and bring a win out of the situation by Cloning Out the opposing team. Sometimes you've been beaten so hard that you're going to lose even if you cap all the objectives, so the only way to pull victory out of the jaws of defeat is to Clone Out the enemy. Now if we've been redlined early on, oh hell no, I'm in my Shotty-Scout cappin' letters as much as I can. But I know when to change tactics and if the Reds can't adapt, that's their problem. If I could get more kills as a Sniper than I do as a Shotgun Scout, I'd be doing this more often. It's a rare match that I bring out my Sniper Rifle, mostly because I suck with it.
Harkon Vysarii Dead Six Initiative 18	Posted - 2013.03.07 06:29:00 - [36] - Quote Shyeer Alvarin wrote: Harkon Vysarii wrote: Shy that isnt fair. Im just super effiicient when it comes to showers okay! Carebear stare has evolved into... CEO Glare Whats this? I feel all happy inside.....yet terrified at the same time....
Mechoj Nomreps Dead Six Initiative 0	Posted - 2013.03.07 11:03:00 - [37] - Quote you are just in the wrong timezone Harkon :) But seriously : I got in this situation yesterday, after capping a few points the other blues were not advancing so our squad could not hold them and we where pushed back. After getting killed several times trying to get back we started sniping just to save gear. This got even worse in a battle where the reds had position on the spawning points and sniped those areas.
Zekain Kade BetaMax. 954	Posted - 2013.03.07 11:32:00 - [38] - Quote There is just no getting through to you idiots. "Ohh sniping from the red line when losing help! We are depleting their clones and ****." No you arent helping, you are making our team lose faster. In a game where this happened, i blew up,both of the tanks that were holding my team down. Then i flew to the furtheet point, capped it and then threw down a drop uplink. Can you guess how many allies spawned on my uplink at that time? Two, and they were both scout snipers who ran for the hill, and left me to defend the point on my own. Needless to say, i got zergged. That is what i get for trying to help my team. So after that, i just reverted to team killing instead.
Kray Dytt THE DOLLARS 13	Posted - 2013.03.07 11:58:00 - [39] - Quote I think the whole red zone/red line is an issue at the moment. I realise teams need a "safe area" to retreat when they have no other spawn point then their MCC (to prevent MCC camping), but currently it's not really working. -The "red zone" is abused when the game is not yet lost by people (mostly snipers) actively playing from an area that grants them extra protection. -The "red zone" turns the game into a useless shoot out when a team is "red zoned" instead of being used to regroup and retake objectives. I've previously made a suggestion in the feedback forums to consider the "red zone" (and MCC) to be "out of game" (so not earning SP/ISK/WP while in the red zone), except when your team is "red zoned". This caused some resistance to say the least. People claimed that: -"Red zone" sniping (at any time during the game) is a legitimate tactic -A "red zoned" team should not be punished for loosing (beyond actually loosing) I don't agree, but that's a long discussion... In short though, I feel that when a team is being destroyed to the point where they are "red zoned", they should either make a comeback, or the game should end in some way. 10 minute pointless shoot outs are not good game play in my opinion.
Coleman Gray Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 75	Posted - 2013.03.07 13:02:00 - [40] - Quote I agree, a full team of snipers aint gonna bring a game back, people get pushed back once and they simply give up then. It is only the red line that causes players to do this, can't think of another game where if one team is losing they all go "hey, better get a sniper!" When the big maps come the red line may not even exist anymore

digi mech Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2013.03.07 13:06:00 - [41] - Quote I think its comms that are a problem. what you actually need is to know that the whole team needs to make a play for X and tell snipers to kill anything that moves near X so they are providing cover for anyone else moving in, 2-3 snipers, the rest attacking as a co-ordinated whole.. but until comms are easier to use and understand it wont happen. until you can get more than one squad together and jump in on mass it wont happen.
BASSMEANT ZionTCD Legacy Rising 142	Posted - 2013.03.07 13:11:00 - [42] - Quote "Us halfway-competent snipers can lockdown objectives and make groundtroops question showing themselves in entire areas of the battlefield" flat out bull. you're useless like the rest of em. only seen 1 Recon player who actually did his job: fed info to the entire team for the entire match. verbally. all you micless "snipers" who think you're "locking things down" are clueless. the only thing you're locking down is a loss for your team. Peace B
Jack McReady A.C.M.E Corp 75	Posted - 2013.03.07 13:46:00 - [43] - Quote less people around objectives means less firepower to defend/attack and there is plenty of cover around objectives too, thus snipers are actually useless in 99% of the time. its also no surprise that some impswarm dudes are defending themself for their terrible gameplay, they entire corp is a collection of CoD kids. only handful of IMPs are actually good.


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