there is a limit

Fail. proto tanks arnt even available.

I dont have tanks and i say if they bought them they are able to use them in the fashion they want , they ARE risking Loosing lots of ISK if they FAce a decent Squad with mic and some AV equipment.

The thing is, Going solo vs a Tank or 5 is never a good idea.

ugh.. another QQ thread about tanks..
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Why do I never get to be in those games! At most its just spamming LAVs that I need to kill with my Mass Driver (surprisingly effective). At most I've seen 2 and they lasted a whole 30 seconds.

You are right it is completely fair to have that many tanks on one team...what was I thinking....

Fail. proto tanks arnt even available.

To anyone that says "oooohhhh dude, I took out like 4,6, 10 TANKS", you are either full of it, killed militia tanks or the tankers sucked. This isn't a nerf tank thread either, I just do not want to fight 5 good tankers in the same match again, I just want a lower maximum limit......

Forge guns make this problem go away.

Actually, as far as Sake Monster goes... he probably has.

I've gone Forge Gunning with him before and he rips vehicles apart.

Sake can do it, but the fact is that the number of players who can use a forge gun as well as he can is MUCH lower than the number of people who are speccing fully into tanks. Just thought it worth mentioning.

Its your team's fault for letting that many tanks deploy.

Seriously man.....can you do something against a guy dropping a tank behind the red line? Because in all honesty I would like to know. Besides maybe taking out the dropship, but when you are busy fighting and taking the objectives, you have no time for that, and you will basically lose the match anyway if they have that many tanks because it takes time to destroy the tanks, time you lose out on taking objectives and killing.

Fair? Lol this is war,. Go back to school if you want fair.

The vehicle limit is 5 Btw. On each side. So, why is it the other team's fault that they brought tanks and your team didn't?

Did you remember to bring your other weapons? Maybe, to be fair, the other team should show up in shorts and a T?

Both teams play by the same ruleset, it doesn't get more fair then that.

Seriously man.....can you do something against a guy dropping a tank behind the red line? Because in all honesty I would like to know. Besides maybe taking out the dropship, but when you are busy fighting and taking the objectives, you have no time for that, and you will basically lose the match anyway if they have that many tanks because it takes time to destroy the tanks, time you lose out on taking objectives and killing.

Setting up proximity mines and ambushes would have been a start.
Spawning an entire swarm team would have gotten most of the tanks running away at high speeds cowering in their red lines.

It only takes 6 to alpha a tank.

Well that would be a start at getting rid of them, but that doesnt "prevent" them from deploying the tanks.

Why do people keep whining about tanks? Tanks are SUPPOSED to be OP. They're tanks. They're not giant pillow monsters who hand out hugs and rainbows...

Now, having tanks in an Ambush match (where all the tankers have to do is call it in and faceroll their controllers/KB), that's a different story. (*COUGH*SEPARATEMATCHSTYLEWITHOUTVEHICLES*COUGH*)

To anyone that says "oooohhhh dude, I took out like 4,6, 10 TANKS", you are either full of it, killed militia tanks or the tankers sucked. This isn't a nerf tank thread either, I just do not want to fight 5 good tankers in the same match again, I just want a lower maximum limit......

Actually it is really not that hard my best is three decked out gunlogis and a militia with out even breaking a sweet. The Isukone forge gun cuts through tanks like butter. 3-6 shots on most advanced tanks and they are done. If takes more then that generally they are so slow they have no chance of escape.

You need to read man, I am not whining about tanks really, just the number of tanks, I dont see tanks as overpowered, I see 5 tanks as overpowered though.

Oh trust me when they see the first tank instantly pop the other 5 are not going to be deploying one or they are all going to do their best not to get spotted.

1. If you end up in a match with 5 tanks, then either you're extremely unlucky or people are getting bored.
2. PROTIP: You can quit matches midway through. You can also start working on AV setups. You can also dodge tanks, use Dropships to kill it from the air, among other tactics.
3. If they see someone destroy a tank then they're probably going to second guess bringing theirs in.

Well I guess I am not a pro like you, must be nice taking tanks out like nothing

All tanks rolled in at the same time, so there was no second guessing, Me and others had av setups, damage a tank he would back off for a lil bit, then the other tank would fill in his spot, and rage quitting is just lame, I would rather saty in a might losing then quit in the middle, even though I may not be having fun.

It is not about being a pro, it is about being feed up with getting raped by tanks and leveling up forge gun to level 3 proficiency then point and shot (preferably from a raise safe position) and watching tanks go boom it is that easy. Seriously try it then you will look at tanks totally differently.

Not this crap again. Oh look your militia forgegun does nothing i wonder why? Seriously stop complaining the whole day about tanks. Ever tried to "FOCUS" av fire instead of everybody is shoting their AV weapons randomly? I highly doubt it. All what you need are 2 forgegunners and 2 swarm launchers shoting at the same time to cut down the tank drivers reaction time window. Its not a problem of droping X amount of tanks into a match. The problem is that mainly when 1 good tanker calls his tank the others will follow. This is a chain reaction and you dont even need a squad for this. Tanks are a essential part of the game and if infantry+vehicles work together you wont do much. Back in the closed beta tourny we had dedicated snipers which main role was to kill any AV on the field. And if you get facerolled by 7 tanks on the field you deserve it. Revenge for all the turret and resistance nerfs.

All tanks rolled in at the same time, so there was no second guessing, Me and others had av setups, damage a tank he would back off for a lil bit, then the other tank would fill in his spot, and rage quitting is just lame, I would rather saty in a might losing then quit in the middle, even though I may not be having fun.

Yet another idiot who cannot read, tanks are fine, 5 tanks at the same time are not, how many more times must I say this........read please.

I wish a team spawned 5 tanks in my games :(
last time if faced a tank spam in a pub was glorious basically ripped through each tank 1 by 1 with my maddy :)

I know its not about being pro, I was just messin with that part, but I use forge along with av nades, and the tanks get away before the final blow is dealt,

Ok I give up, you guys win, Raise the tank cap per team to 10 tanks, I AM GAME

Dude, your Corp is called "Against All Oddz" and you're moaning about too many tanks? Irony much!

Just keep calm and carry on.

do you know what 5 trained forge guns or swarm launchers do to a tank?

do you know what 5 trained forge guns or swarm launchers do to a tank?

Why do people think I am running solo?....but thanks for the help guys,even though I have been doing the majority of the stuff that has been said, I guess av stuff just must not be my thing, infantry vs infantry is my thing, and im good at it, so I guess I will stick with it.. Also I am aware of my corp name, we were against all the odds and we lost lol so be it, just thought i would mention a tank cap per team but I guess people get very defensive very easily over mentioning just ideas... but thanks again for suggestions for AV improvement.

The argument we're making is that there's ALREADY a cap, and it's a fair one.

With the right approach, and the right gear, even if you can't KILL the tanks (or at least not all of them), you can effectively remove them from the battle and turn things back in your team's favour.

The argument we're making is that there's ALREADY a cap, and it's a fair one.

With the right approach, and the right gear, even if you can't KILL the tanks (or at least not all of them), you can effectively remove them from the battle and turn things back in your team's favour.

Because shooting at a tank for 15 minutes with a forge gun or swarm launcher to make them retreat since you aren't going to kill them is fun gameplay and gives you Warpoints?

When it only takes 10 seconds or less of coordinated fire from two players to force even the most heavily-tanked HAV to run, then you get several minutes of hacking and either using your Forge to blow up infantry or switching to your sidearm, then yes it does get you plenty of warpoints, and more importantly, it gets your team control of the area, which is usually an objective, and it gets the enemy team on the defensive, and it gets more WP for your teammates, which brings you closer to that Orbital Strike you can use to finish the job when the tank comes back.

now try again for ambush and someone not in a squad. (like most of the players)
Why should anyone care about their team if it doesn't provide fun gameplay for the player doing it?

You mean like when I was in Ambush and we saw the enemy roll up in 3 tanks, and I wasn't in a squad?

And we killed all 3, only one of which was a Militia tank?

I got 3 kills and over 300 WP for myself for blowing up a Madrugar with my Swarm Launcher. Also got several Assists and more WP for the Soma when a Forge Gunner finished it off. I'm having fun. I enjoy being useful to my team, and I enjoy seeing a "Victory" screen more than a "Defeat" one.

Good, so you happened to run into some noob tankers and you had Coordinated Fire on tanks.

I also have a nice story;
Once the enemy spawned 3 tanks (non militia) backed up by proper infantry and my team did all they could to kill them, but without communication the only thing that we saw was the low HP tanks driving off into the sunset, repairing somewhere and getting replaced by a full HP tank as they went along. After 5 minutes of accomplishing nothing I hid behind some wall with a spawn beacon out with a nanohive near it and changed the screen to my computer, and I played some EVE.
In the end we lost and I got my WP and Iskies, while doing something fun.

I don't care about winning or losing, as long as the game is fun. Tankspam leads to no fun gameplay more than it leads to something interesting.

When I say prototank, I basically mean powerful tank, I know they werent protos, but they were skilled drivers, all of them, we tried taking them out but we could only get 1....

It's amazing how many stories people have of the enemy team using a wide array of tactical resources and good teamwork, and then complain that their disorganized team can't beat them. But it's probably just because of the HAVs, because all these guys have such perfect AR game that they would've taken down the team that works together all by themselves.

Im sorry to make another tank thread but I just got out of a match that had 5 good tanks on a single team...Please just limit the amount of tanks per team, I know some idiots will come inhere and say "Just destroy the tanks with your{insert crappy av weapon here}", well its hard enough to kill 1 or 2 tanks, impossible to kill 5 unless they group together and you hit em with an OB.... I dont mind a few tanks but 5 proto tanks is just not right, please limit this

they're not prohibitively expensive.

I wasnt solo, and that isnt the point, I think there should be a limit to 2 tanks maximum on a single side.

First off, I've never played in anything but pub matches, and frankly I don't care about your supposed hero stories of taking out maps full of nothing but enemy tanks. Out of the last 100 pub games I've played in, if a team brought in more than one tank they never lost. I just spent 10 minutes in a Line Harvest ambush that finished up 0 to 70 clones. Why? Because the reds brought two Suryas in within the first 10 seconds and proceeded to kill everyone without ever taking more than about 15% dmg. I'm glad all of you have level 5 weapon profs and proto forges, I've yet to see anybody in one of the pubs use them. I used my T1 Forge multiple times, but it's pretty disheartening to go through the effort only to watch your Forge do all of about 5% dmg to the shields on a Surya, which is roughly the same as what my packed AV grenades were doing.

The map before being wiped on Line Harvest was Skim Junction. I killed somebody who called in a tank as he was trying to get into it. I hacked it and hopped in and drove it to the outside of one of the entrances where they were being halfheartedly spawn camped. I sat there never moving more than 2 meters for a solid 8 minutes before they could kill me, and I never repped myself once (couldn't figure out how to on my keyboard, and I was busy overheating the turret constantly). I was almost constantly under attack from swarms and av or flux grenades. The flux grenades luckily don't do anything, and against shield the av grenades did less dmg than was being passively recharged.

No new player or even groups of new players are going to be able to do anything to stop an older player that decides to bring a tank into a pub, and honestly they're not prohibitively expensive. It makes me remember the old commercials on tv where the school kids are choosing teams for baseball or basketball and some sports star like Michael Jordan shows up to play, except in Dust nobody cares who you are, and it's an artificial skill gap not an innate or practiced one.

At the end of the day I think this is one of those things that will drive away new players. Call it QQ'ing or what, I don't really care. The game is a Beta and the point is that CCP wants feedback. This is just my opinion, and I'll probably keep playing regardless of what they change. I've got a lot of faith in CCP, I've been playing EVE since 2006 and I bite my tongue whenever I see upcoming changes that I'm not happy about because I'm pretty sure it will all work out in the end. This however is a Beta, and we're not supposed to just shut up and play. We're supposed to whine, constructively.

Edit: I take that part about more than one tank back. For the first time my team had two tanks and we lost, because they drove to the edge of the Skim Junction map and sat there all game.

Solution? Boundless Proximity Mines.