pretty valid points... other things need fixing first tho (lol dropships)

Agree with the above numbers, though have no idea how you've been able to collect some of them. If they're accurate, something's seriously broken.

I think everyone agrees that the dropships are either terribly broken, or terrible period. If I happen to fly over a tank, I get dropped, so maybe we should really be calling them "dropshits" instead.

gotta keep the liked and bumpified, cause its right

I agree that damage mods are broken at the moment. However, your proposal would make Shield Tanks utterly useless against Armor Tanks. It would even make Missile turrets and Railgun turrets practically obsolete compared to Blaster Turrets.

7 shots from a prototype railgun to take out your Surya, are you kidding me? By the time the 3rd shot hits you, you'd already be behind cover, armor repping your tank. I know you want an invincible armor tank dude, but it just isn't fair.

Railguns are supposed to be an anti-vehicle weapon, Blaster Turrets are supposed to be an anti-infantry weapon, and Missile Turrets are supposed to be...... umm, anti-nothing i guess .

Missiles are supposed to be midground between blaster and rail. neither excelling or failing

as for making the tanks able to take on each other.. i'm rather sad you guys have to run and hide, you're only able to hurt tank on tank, or such, since most of us infantry are not really useful against your rolling hulks of metal and sheilds..

Missiles fail at everything. BTW, i completely agree with you on that "run and hide" idea of yours. Tank pilots shouldn't try to tactically evade incoming fire, nope, they should just sit in the middle of the battlefield, absorbing AV fire and orbital strikes like a BAWS.

I agree that damage mods are broken at the moment. However, your proposal would make Shield Tanks utterly useless against Armor Tanks. It would even make Missile turrets and Railgun turrets practically obsolete compared to Blaster Turrets.

7 shots from a prototype railgun to take out your Surya, are you kidding me? By the time the 3rd shot hits you, you'd already be behind cover, armor repping your tank. I know you want an invincible armor tank dude, but it just isn't fair.

Railguns are supposed to be an anti-vehicle weapon, Blaster Turrets are supposed to be an anti-infantry weapon, and Missile Turrets are supposed to be...... umm, anti-nothing i guess .

Numbers you forgot to add in the splash damage, I am planing on doing some testing this weekend. I'll be testing with someone who doesn't have turret skills. (Best way to see if its the damage skills or mods)

Edit: I would like the maruder skill to effect railguns instead of missles

if i could i'd donate to you for that study, it'd be really pricey but worth it to have solid numbers

Shouldn't be to much isk, I'm just using 5 proto rails on 5 different soma's each with an increasing number of damage mods, just need 4 other people to sit in them while we do testing, as long as they don't blow up it should be cheap

that concept of blasters being anti infantry tbh is bs
a blaster should be effective against a vehicle within its optimal range.

did u even READ my missile fixes and fixes in general for shield tanks? this is just part ONE there are THREE other parts
last time i made a big ass list of different fixes in 1 thread fanbois QQ'd and posted forum rules for me so i made each fix seperate this time

please read ALL before commenting

i never said i want an invincible armor tank, thats just ********. Do u know how easy it is to land 2-3 shots on a tank atm?
if im back behind cover that means u've stopped my push and i gotta rethink my approach on u again.
why do ppl want easy kills?

u do realise i asked for missiles and shield hardeners and DCUs to be buffed right? (dcu not so much a buff but a fix)
and if missiles are fixed shield tanks have their weapon against armor in cqc along with buffed hardeners

Well, then you probably shouldn't complain when a railgun is effective at killing you within its OPTIMAL RANGE.

CCP most likely made this game with the intention that Blasters, Railguns, and Missiles would all be highly effective at certain roles on the battlefield (like anti-infantry). To balance the game, they designed the turrets to counter each other in certain situations. A railgun tank should be highly effective at killing your blaster tank from long-range. This is why it's important to use teamwork and strategy to supplement what your tank isn't designed for.

Btw, i agree with almost everything you said in your 3 part series. I don't think your armor tank should be able to take 7 shots from a Prototype Railgun though =/

Mav you are overlooking splash damage also.

But if they decide to fix that **** they better overhaul shield tanks big time. Otherwise armor will own the game.

are u srsly stupid?
where was i complaining about rails killing me within its optimal range?
im showing u the numbers on how Rail dmg doesnt add up wtf cant u read?????

Rails will always Be king of AV due to the range it can hit u at but it doesnt make sense that currently with broken dmg mods u get a 300% increase in damage out GO READ THE POST PROPERLY.

its actually 4 parts. good reading.

You made a reference to disliking "camp tactics" in your initial post. If you don't like when railgun tanks "camp" to destroy targets, what else do you want us to do?

Btw, if a shield tanker is simply camping with 3 damage mods equipped, he's sacrificing a lot in terms of his defensive capabilities. If you can organize a 3 - 4 man anti-vehicle squad in your corporation, they can simply engage the shield tank with fast-moving LAVs. 4 - 6 AV grenades should break the shield tank like glass. If you have 1 or 2 decent forge gunners in your corp, all they'd have to do fire at the shield tank while hiding behind cover.

Don't expect your Surya to be 100% adaptable/survivable in every tank vs tank situation. Even the game developers for DUST 514 said that tanks need help from infantry personnel.

ur not very good at fitting tanks are u?
where did i ask my surya to be surviveable jesus ur special.

Did u even take a look at the math before posting?
also shield tanks dont give up defense for offense thats ARMOR TANKS since the dmg mods are in low slots
Lrn2FitTanks

I mention camp tactics because thats all tank v tank play comes down to atm there is no risk vs reward when dmg mods increase rail dmg by 300%

if u werent tanking back before they broke the mods u would have 0 idea how tank v tank play was and how it should return. Shield tanks still dominated because they had Missiles along with rails. But nothing was 1-2 shotted like a cheap cod game. It took ppl 4-6 hits to drop a WELL fitted marauder tank.

Back then it took skill and teamwork and rewarded the skilled tanker who was able to also find a way to close the gap on a rail tank and unload on him in cqc.

ATM in CQC rails will still beat a blaster because it does over 6K per shot when its suppose to be doing around HALF of that but because mods have been broken for so long ppl dont realise that. How can ppl be so blind and not do some SIMPLE calculations that show u that rails + dmg mods are outputtin far more dmg than they should.

And to address ur how many shots it will take comment thats due to
1. dmg mods being fixed which will naturally increase the amount of shots it takes to drop a tank
2. ppl that actually fit hardeners and go for a high defense can naturally tank more hits which isnt the case atm.
3. incase u didnt realise the DCU change favours shield more than armor and also Shields can STILL fit a rail and have high HP PLUS HIGH DMG thus still making them hard to take down , armor has to choose between high offense and no defense or high defense and low offense.

Please learn tanking before making judgements ive been at this for a long time now.

PS: AV nades work better on armor #justsayin