pretty valid points... other things need fixing first tho (lol dropships)

Agree with the above numbers, though have no idea how you've been able to collect some of them. If they're accurate, something's seriously broken.

I think everyone agrees that the dropships are either terribly broken, or terrible period. If I happen to fly over a tank, I get dropped, so maybe we should really be calling them "dropshits" instead.

I agree that damage mods are broken at the moment. However, your proposal would make Shield Tanks utterly useless against Armor Tanks. It would even make Missile turrets and Railgun turrets practically obsolete compared to Blaster Turrets.

7 shots from a prototype railgun to take out your Surya, are you kidding me? By the time the 3rd shot hits you, you'd already be behind cover, armor repping your tank. I know you want an invincible armor tank dude, but it just isn't fair.

Railguns are supposed to be an anti-vehicle weapon, Blaster Turrets are supposed to be an anti-infantry weapon, and Missile Turrets are supposed to be...... umm, anti-nothing i guess .

Well, then you probably shouldn't complain when a railgun is effective at killing you within its OPTIMAL RANGE.

CCP most likely made this game with the intention that Blasters, Railguns, and Missiles would all be highly effective at certain roles on the battlefield (like anti-infantry). To balance the game, they designed the turrets to counter each other in certain situations. A railgun tank should be highly effective at killing your blaster tank from long-range. This is why it's important to use teamwork and strategy to supplement what your tank isn't designed for.

Btw, i agree with almost everything you said in your 3 part series. I don't think your armor tank should be able to take 7 shots from a Prototype Railgun though =/

Mav you are overlooking splash damage also.

But if they decide to fix that **** they better overhaul shield tanks big time. Otherwise armor will own the game.

You made a reference to disliking "camp tactics" in your initial post. If you don't like when railgun tanks "camp" to destroy targets, what else do you want us to do?

Btw, if a shield tanker is simply camping with 3 damage mods equipped, he's sacrificing a lot in terms of his defensive capabilities. If you can organize a 3 - 4 man anti-vehicle squad in your corporation, they can simply engage the shield tank with fast-moving LAVs. 4 - 6 AV grenades should break the shield tank like glass. If you have 1 or 2 decent forge gunners in your corp, all they'd have to do fire at the shield tank while hiding behind cover.

Don't expect your Surya to be 100% adaptable/survivable in every tank vs tank situation. Even the game developers for DUST 514 said that tanks need help from infantry personnel.

Not necessarily. If i equip 2-3 PowerGrid Upgrade units on a shield tank, i'd be able to use much better defensive modules while sacrificing some of my offensive capabilities (damage mods).

Also, I think you're overlooking the fact that many vehicles/modules haven't even been released yet. For example, while your Armor tank might be highly ineffective against my Railgun Tank, a Heavy Aircraft vehicle equipped with blaster turrets might be able to get close enough to kill me or distract me long enough for you to move in for the kill.

Another example would be the Plasma AV weapons that have yet to be released, they're supposed to be very effective against shield tanks. We could even talk about the fact that maps are eventually going get larger, which would surely effect gameplay/tactics. In the future, we might even able to traverse an entire planet, who knows?

Anyway, i just think you should look more towards teamwork/strategy first before you say that something is completely imbalanced. Like i said before, this is not call of duty, don't expect your tank fitting to be adaptable to every situation.

i love how you're trying to deflect the idea of fixing the broken code for mods.

These guys make solid points and i agree wholeheartedly, because all the damage mods are broken.

there will never be a truly perfect tank, not when they fix what is broken. that is why i love this game, since no set up will be absolutely perfect. i've seen armor tanks rolling around, dominating the field, then jsut.. BOOM, since they hit a pile of mines, and couldnt run away from the follow up AV grenades. Shield tanks on the other hand are fast enough to duck into holes in combat, but most of those shield babies are hiding off in he mountains, not moving but jsut doing what snipers do.

i'd rather like to see something added that prevents a tank driver from sitting in one place the whole match

The point i'm trying to make here is that Railguns should still be able to kill tanks as efficiently as they do right now. If CCP decides to fix the percentage on damage mods, fine, but the damage dealt by rails should still remain the same. If the damage on Railguns are altered to the point where this guy can take 7 shots before dying, then tank vs tank gameplay would become even more imbalanced than it is right now.

Why did this guy choose to post this topic in the feedback section if this is more of a technical support issue? I'll tell you why, it's because he wants a highly adaptable armor tank that can somehow withstand 7 shots from a prototype railgun. Keep in mind that a railgun will overheat after about 4 consecutive shots unless you have have an active heat-sink fitted to your tank.

In order for his idea to work, the entire tank vs tank gameplay system would have to be re-worked

3k dmg is not fine, Team Aldin had a Surya with 20,000+ ehp last build. With 3k dmg a shot you are looking at a minimum of 7 proto railgun shots to kill an armor tank. This would effectively eliminate shield tanking as a profession. 5k damage is what we should be putting out.

Whether or not damage mods are broken "testing this weekend," I feel Rails are doing the amount of damage that they should be for an Anti Vehicle turret. Blasters **** infantry, rails can **** infantry in the right hands but for the most part don't. Surya's get a bonus to Blasters, They are meant to be an Anti Infantry tank. Sagaris' get a bonus to LOL missles, the only positive is that you can go glass cannon with a rail and provide Anti Vehicle duties.

If damage mods are "broken" CCP just needs to give us a larger percentage damage mod to do the same damage

When missiles wrecked everything they had a 20% damage mod and that is why they were OP, people blamed the turret not the mod.

I have to agree that a tank should not be able to take 6-7 shots from a proto rail gun with 3 damage mods.

Also you can't fit 3 damage mods on a Sagaris with proto rail gun and have high HP it's doesn't have enough power grid to do it. it's either high damage or high HP not both.

It's quite possible to make a Sagaris with over 10k HP but you can't fit an adv turret on it or any damage mods or a repper. At best you could get 6k on a railgun Sagaris and that's with skills maxed.

If they changed damage mods they would have to overhaul Shield tanking completely to make it balanced or it will just be an Armour cluster f*ck.

Yes. For railguns tyo be practical, we need obscene range and damage bc at close range, we dont stand a chance. Missiles are useless, too, CCP- fix them, please.

the tank v tank should play out like this: if i drop my armor blaster and slap drops his rails i should not AUTOMATICALLY LOSE because he dropped rails because that now means i should go park my tank in the back and bring out a rail tank. It should now be a battle of wits to see if slap has what it takes to keep me at bay or if i can somehow figure out a way to get close without him landing 5-6 shots on me.

He immediately has the advantage if we start off at range
so i gotta find a way to get close while he has to make sure and keep his distance to keep me out my optimal range, which is what we used to do before with angel keepin a tank attention from the front with his tank while i go on a flank while his attention occupied or vice versa....thats the beauty of 2v2 tanking that me and angel fell in love with

Mavado, shield tanks with a railgun are a counter to armor tanks. Infantry AV can't deal with armor tanks because they are able to use hardeners 24/7 and repair any damage done to them. The high alpha of the rail is what makes it so that armor rep tanks do not win in every situation.

One single good AV can keep a rail tank out of the battle.

Idk, I'm still undecided lol. I really like being the best at one thing, and then figuring out how to use that advantage against others in multiple different situations, but I also like being as effective as I can be in multiple different situations. It's hard! Kind of thinking out loud atm, but if I'm on a map where a blaster is better, I'm at a serious disadvantage in shield. Not only do I not have the marauder skill (for better blaster damage), but I don't have the damage reduction and repair that the armor tanks do. I have a slight advantage in acceleration, but the armor tank can move faster overall and chase me down, so I'll have to get the jump or engage at long range. If I need to engage at long range, I might sacrifice DPS for a blaster with better range so I can attempt to stay out of the armor tank's max effective range. I can't use damage mods. The shield tanks are low on PG, and the blaster takes much more PG to use than the railgun, so I need to use PG mods to increase my tank. I want something that's an HAV, and not an LAV lol. The longer-range blaster uses more PG than the short range high dps one, so I might sacrifice too much tank to fit that too.

arggghhhhhh does anyone else go through this too? QQ I have alts, but none in tanking so I can't satisfy my want to branch out right now on them. It's only on 0 try. I'm kind of hoping that someone will convince me to go armor too, because slap said he'd kick my ass if I stopped maximizing my shield tank early T.T

if CCP fixes dmg mods w/o buffing something for shield, I'm using armor 100% of the time like the rest of them anyways, so it's not like I'm hurting myself too much. Plus, I'm going armor for blaster too! I only need to put like 500-600sp into armor for a standard tank I think. That's like only -2 weeks of sp hmmm


edit: I just read some people's comments about blaster always losing to rail even at CQC. Slap recently took on an armor tank and a shield tank at the same time, and killed them both. Shield tank =/= OP (especially because the other side had one out too). Slap is OP!

If the devs want to see, I'm sure they can check the logs xD


edit edit edit lol>.< maybe after the tourny ends I'll go armor, shouldn't need it for a bit after that, yah? I'm sooooooo conflicted QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ


zomg edit: but if it's a battle map that's better for blaster, wouldn't it make sense to get armor now? >.<


ok, is eve like this? do you go back and forth over fits? I kind of don't want to log on for a few months so I can put SP into everything I want LOL

more edit: maybe after stb battle, armor tank did not go so well against them lolllll