Wut? A months worth of EVE in the form of PLEX is worth 350-450 million ISK.

You're complaining about the AUR/ISK value ratio here. A battleship is one -really- big piece of hardware. If anything, CCP could adjust the Aurum prices on non-BPO gear to make it cheaper. We go through dropsuits and modules like EVE players go through ammo, and let me tell you. A PLEX gets you a -ton- of ammunition.

Damn straight. The ratio is why a single merc packs gives a paying players a 130 game advantage in isk. That is over the top, it's not the same for weapons. Buying 20$ worth of anythig else will only give you like a 20 game lead in isk on top of the lowered skill requirements.

The ratio needs to be set in stone, not thrown around.

And again, think about it, the player market is open, you have 10,000 AUR, do you buy the dropsuits or the guns to resell on the market if you are looking for isk? No one will pay too much more than they cost for the basic weapon.

The smart ones go for the Active/Passive boosters to use the real thing sooner. I enjoy taking peoples expensive new toys away from them.

Which buys you ONE BATTLESHIP

or

1000's OF WEAPONS

You missed the point.

It's not the isk, the point is one 20$ purchase buys you 1000 battleships. If battleships cost so little then they would be used all the time. But they aren't that cheap in isk.

To match the player who spend real money in dust you'd have to play 133 matches of ambush just to catch up to the AUR purchaser. This is not due to buying AUR suits to be pay to win. But it becomes pay to win when the price is so low it's destroys the whole market and balance of the game.

a 10,000 isk gun sells for 40 AUR

a 200,000 isk suit sells for 180 AUR

DO YOU SEE NOTHING WRONG?

Which buys you ONE BATTLESHIP

or

1000's OF WEAPONS

You missed the point.

It's not the isk, the point is one 20$ purchase buys you 1000 battleships. If battleships cost so little then they would be used all the time. But they aren't that cheap in isk.

To match the player who spend real money in dust you'd have to play 133 matches of ambush just to catch up to the AUR purchaser. This is not due to buying AUR suits to be pay to win. But it becomes pay to win when the price is so low it's destroys the whole market and balance of the game.

a 10,000 isk gun sells for 40 AUR

a 200,000 isk suit sells for 180 AUR

DO YOU SEE NOTHING WRONG?

@crazy, you make a valid point, but it's a bit extreme. There needs to be adjustments, as there already have been and I'm sure more will follow.

I used a full aurum suit during part of the closed beta, and I burned through 100k aurum in no time. I don't die that often, but it adds up quick.

There needs to be some advantage to using aurum gear, otherwise nobody will use it. I think that allowing people to equip it at a lower level is ideal. One level less is probably preferred (my opinion). I hear the arguement that people can't "catch up" too often on this forum. That's part of playing an mmo. Using aurum should give you some assistance with this, but you have to be prepared to put in the time and effort. After 6+ months, we'll all be the same.

This is a valid concern.

Keep it to yourself and make profit, this is New Eden.

Another problem is: You are basically burning real money for something that might not even last a minute on the battlefield.

Lets do some obstruse math:
20$ == 40k Aurum
=> 1 Aurum == 0,05 Cent

That doesn't seem a lot

One aurum suit + one aurum weapon:
180+40 Aurum == 220 Aurum == 11 cents

So every time you lose a life on the battlefield while using only an aurum suit with an aurum weapon, you might as well burn 11 real world cents. (lets assume, that the person uses isk items for the modules to keep the math as basic as possible -- too lazy to look into the game for the module aurum prices).

This might not sound like much to someone who isn't dying a lot on the battlefield, but the main portion of the people who play this game do die. A lot. Of course all we can do is speculate, but i do think that it is best for ccp to adjust the real world prizes for their ingame gear to a level that a mid-level player (as in: the main portion of the playerbase skill-wise) might be interested in buying aurum gear continuously. Higher prizes would come with higher lose per death, and who wants to pay a Dollar every time they die?

By the way your assumption would raise the only weapon and suit cost from 11 cents to 30.6 Cents. So if we assume, that the main part of people die 4-6 times a game, those couldn't even last 30 games (30.6*4==122,4Cents per game -> 2000Cent / 122,4Cent per game == 16,34 games) with a 20$ purchase. This means they could barely play a game a day (assuming, that they use aurum gear in all games) over the course of a month.

We don't know the charts of those people who actually pay for aurum gear, about how often they die. But it is CCP's job to make sure, that they appeal to the main playerbase with their aurum gear prizes. It is also hard to see, how buying aurum gear increases your performance ingame, which does have to be taken into account.

Edit:
This is all only regarding your "the prize is too damn low" argument. The variance one does seem pretty valid after taking a first glance over it

I'm glad someone at least gets I'm not saying it's pay to win becuase it's a good suit, it's a price conern and an out of control market that kills the AUR player market trades down to a single item with the most worth in isk.

You're forgetting about market competition.

If everyone does it, proto suits will be dirt cheap ISK wise. Sure, everyone may be running around in the AUR version instead of the full-skill version if it gets cheap enough.

But doesn't everyone win then? Except the sucker buying AUR suits in mass quantities hoping to get rich quick?

rambling op

How is what I'm trying to say being so misunderstood? : (

You didn't even read my post did you. Te gear doesn't need a nerf, AUR needs to be based on a fix rate. The current AUR price is too low. That doesn't mean the suits need a change. 20$ should give you 100 suits not 250.

Plus the fix to the future player market where AUR items can get resold for isk. If some AUR items are worth more isk than others, then the rest will be sold on the market for isk. Also it sets the price of active boosters for dust mercs, so it should be a contronled value, not random like it is now.

To match the player who spend real money in dust you'd have to play 133 matches of ambush just to catch up to the AUR purchaser. This is not due to buying AUR suits to be pay to win. But it becomes pay to win when the price is so low it's destroys the whole market and balance of the game.

a 10,000 isk gun sells for 40 AUR

a 200,000 isk suit sells for 180 AUR

DO YOU SEE NOTHING WRONG?

You're forgetting about market competition.

If everyone does it, proto suits will be dirt cheap ISK wise. Sure, everyone may be running around in the AUR version instead of the full-skill version if it gets cheap enough.

But doesn't everyone win then? Except the sucker buying AUR suits in mass quantities hoping to get rich quick?

You can't judge how much things will sell for in a future, player-based market. The prices that CCP has put on items today is arbitrary. .

20 bucks for 250 proto suits sounds good to me.

I don't understand why your crying. Seeing lower SP people in proto gear who no have a chance to actually kill you upsets you? Is your KDR per match falling to something reasonable? OH NOES!

Yes, I read it. But maybe I wasn't clear in my reply. I said you made a valid point. I agree with adjusting the prices to make them a little more uniform in aurum vs isk (heavy suit isk prices should drop imo). But the statistics that you posted make it sound like there is some insurmountable advantage to aurum users. I don't believe this to be the case.



As for catching up, that's part of the game.

I don't agree that the price is so low it's pay to win.