Here's the math. Now tanker biggest excuse for how strong their tanks are is useless, all they have left is the ISK cost.

Just to summarize those numbers so you don't have to wade through the whole post, a tank takes [17,734,880 SP to max out a single type build, while a dropsuit requires 29,238,921 SP to max out a single class. That is a difference of 11,504,041 SP.

your forgetting that the tanker needs some skills for foot soldering, also some skills are shared.

plus you only get 0 marks... you didnt show your working out.

My work is in the thread I listed. You can add up the numbers yourself, all the numbers are listed in the thread mentioned.

Also, tankers require no such thing if they have a squad. If they want to they can, but it is not required to max out their class. You could just as easily say an AR suit needs to spec AV to deal with vehicles, but that isn't factored in here either.

The tank is x12 skill, when BO HAVs drop back into play it requires lvl5 which is like an extra 3-4mil of SP where as suits are only x8

Most weapons are also a x2 skill, for tanks you need small turrets to x4 in just 1 class then you need larget turrets which are like a x3 or 2 i cant remember then the prof is x5 like other weapons

Plus some skills are shared like the armor/shield skills maybe except adapation which is used for hardners, plus turret skills/upgrades are for tankers, CPU/PG effect both to an extent

Plus tankers do need some SP into ground pounding so they can take a rest and shoot ppl or just do it anyways to save up some isk

Tanks will always be a bigger SP sink as it is and the more types of turrets which are added (autocannons/arty/laser) then its more SP plus we have yet to get Amarr and Minmatar HAVs

I don't get what you are trying to prove...

So tanks take less SP to max? Who cares? Tanks are easily countered, but are still well worth their ISK cost. This game isn't about everything being 1v1 balanced. It's about risk. What are you willing to spend to ensure victory?

Check the link. I included HAV all the way up to level 5, and the dropsuits still cost over 11 MIL more SP. The skills for maxing a tank are more SP intensive, but the sheer number of skills required to max out an infantry class makes their SP requirements obscenely higher.

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You know you have a bad post when I have to post.

When av nades can counter my proto tank things aren't balanced
When swarms stacked with damage mods can do 4000-5000(without hardeners) things aren't balanced
Only some points I don't need to explain everything do I?

6 missiles time (300 times 1.33) = 4000-5000?

6 missiles time (300 times 1.33) = 4000-5000?

Link doesnt work

So until i see the working out and maths then no tanks as a base will always require more SP than a suit

well link this post to your other.

oh and if your against 2 good squads your tanks dead so thats 1 invalid point

That my dear boy is why damage mods are broken. And av nades :)

You know you have a bad post when I have to post.

When av nades can counter my proto tank things aren't balanced
When swarms stacked with damage mods can do 4000-5000(without hardeners) things aren't balanced
Only some points I don't need to explain everything do I?

You know you have a bad post when I have to post.

When av nades can counter my proto tank things aren't balanced
When swarms stacked with damage mods can do 4000-5000(without hardeners) things aren't balanced
Only some points I don't need to explain everything do I?

Wow. People annoy me. So you think it should take 2 good squads to take out a tank? Your point is invalid because you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

Wow. People annoy me. So you think it should take 2 good squads to take out a tank? Your point is invalid because you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

what your trying to argue is a maxed out infantry costs more than a maxed tank, well its fundamentally flawed.
you took into account ALL skills to max the infantry but not all to max the tanker afterall the tanker is a soldier inside a tank.

as a result the tanker needs identical skills aswell as additional skills for tank operation and components and the turrets affecting small turrets would also be shared.

no matter your math tanking will always be a SP and ISK drain as its a very expensive role and as specialist as it is it demand generalised (foot soldier) skills as a backup.

most of skills in your calculations are core skills with just AR, grenadier, SMG and nanocircuitary (to an extent) bein skills of a specialist role whereas most vehicle skills are specialist

BS, adv tanks built properly walkover militia av no problem, the same cant be said for proto dropsuits now can they?

Every skill for the build supplied was taken into account, same goes for the tank, all the way up into proficiency levels for all turrets, etc. Sorry you don't feel like reading it all, but if you aren't willing to look it up, don't post about it.

You can't factor in handheld upgrade skills and proficiency skills when there is no HAV equivalent to those skills. You're just saying that Dropsuit Skills require more SP because there are more of them, which is super redundant.

You have picked away at the list

You forgot about PG/CPU upgrades, Maurader skill, Caldari HAV, large missiles + prof

Also the tank pilot themseleves will have various skills in dropsuits/weapons/nades etc to around lvl3 so they can compete when not in the tank

But also take into account that infantry has more choice right now than a tank driver

Tank driver are waiting for AC/arty and lazer turrets not too mention Amarr and Minmatar HAV hulls and hopefully we get a pilot suit with mods which enhance our vehicles

So really its skewed completely because you took out the driver from the tank, them skills is to max the tank even tho you missed a few, including the tank driver the total SP is way more than just an infantry guy

The hell you talking about? If they are in militia gear, they are dead. Free kills. Maybe the top 2% of players in militia gear are kinda a threat. Kinda.