DUST Search - 0/10, 0WP - Why Keep Playing?

Fox Gaden wrote:

Nomed Deeps wrote:

Repeatedly yesterday in public matches, I kept being put on teams that would not squad or work together where half my team had 0 kills (with numerous deaths so not AFK) and hardly any WPs at end of match. Therefore, almost every match I fought yesterday was my squad of 3 versus 16. I asked myself if I was a player in that situation with 0 kills, multiple deaths, and hardly any war points, "Why keep playing?". I have yet to find a plausible answer. Any ideas what could be going through these players minds?

What could be going through such a playerGÇÖs mind?

How about: GÇ£What does this button do? How do I aim this sniper riffle? Wait, where did my riffle go? Why am I now holding a pistil? How do I get my riffle back? Wowha, dead again. What hit me? What are those glowing letters?" Etc...

I know this well as a person who bought the PS3 to play DUST and had never played on a consol before and had not played an FPS in 20 years. I think I had played for close to a week before I started getting kills. This morning I went 7/2 through, so I must be getting better. I expect that is why I kept playing. Because I thought I would get better.

Basically you got teamed up with a bunch of people who were completely new to the game. This is probably a good sign for the future of DUST. I hope they stick around long enough to figure out what they are doing.

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Nomed Deeps The Exemplars 91	Posted - 2013.02.28 15:45:00 - [1] - Quote Repeatedly yesterday in public matches, I kept being put on teams that would not squad or work together where half my team had 0 kills (with numerous deaths so not AFK) and hardly any WPs at end of match. Therefore, almost every match I fought yesterday was my squad of 3 versus 16. I asked myself if I was a player in that situation with 0 kills, multiple deaths, and hardly any war points, "Why keep playing?". I have yet to find a plausible answer. Any ideas what could be going through these players minds?
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2885	Posted - 2013.02.28 15:46:00 - [2] - Quote Why don't you roll with your corp then? If you go lone wolf like myself... You have to pay that price of not being able to rely on anyone.
Yagihige Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 179	Posted - 2013.02.28 15:46:00 - [3] - Quote To get better?
Cyn Bruin Imperfects Negative-Feedback 663	Posted - 2013.02.28 15:47:00 - [4] - Quote With this new spawn system it will be tough for the new guys to go lone wolfing it and expect to live. Most of the red dots will spawn together and usually blob around the map together.
Your Absolut End SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 11	Posted - 2013.02.28 15:49:00 - [5] - Quote I don't think this are oldberries. So mostly this guys are just young players playing their first rounds and I can hardly imagine you started with a 15/0 KDR. Give the people time, they will also get better. And it takes time to get used to a new game. And rather complaining about this guys, we should try to get them in our middle and help them, because Dust can be very confusing in the beginning, especially if you never have been in New Eden before.
martinofski Rebelles A Quebec 17	Posted - 2013.02.28 15:49:00 - [6] - Quote New players, starter suits, not used to the game, trying to improve and so on. Also and important factor, match team balancing is just wrong sometime (I see alot of sometimes). For sure it isn't fun to be a 4 man squad again 3-4 squad on the other side.
Nomed Deeps The Exemplars 91	Posted - 2013.02.28 15:49:00 - [7] - Quote To clarify based off comments, I was playing Skirmish and I was squaded with my corp mates. If it weren't for my corp mates, it would of been 1 on 16 instead of 3 on 16. Maybe it is new players but if so, they were all on my team. I am just frustrated by my streak of losses yesterday which I could not affect no matter how much my corp mates and I tried. We also wasted a lot of good gear.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders Red Rock Consortium 300	Posted - 2013.02.28 15:57:00 - [8] - Quote Nomed Deeps wrote: Repeatedly yesterday in public matches, I kept being put on teams that would not squad or work together where half my team had 0 kills (with numerous deaths so not AFK) and hardly any WPs at end of match. Therefore, almost every match I fought yesterday was my squad of 3 versus 16. I asked myself if I was a player in that situation with 0 kills, multiple deaths, and hardly any war points, "Why keep playing?". I have yet to find a plausible answer. Any ideas what could be going through these players minds? Stinks if that other side had 16 real fighters in it but generally the other side is as jacked up as yours. We're training some new recruits right now so we've had a least one squad member going 0WP as they figure things out. At least they don't die as often when they are with the squad.
dartmyth Algintal Core Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2013.02.28 16:12:00 - [9] - Quote martinofski wrote: New players, starter suits, not used to the game, trying to improve and so on. Also and important factor, match team balancing is just wrong sometime (I see alot of sometimes). For sure it isn't fun to be a 4 man squad again 3-4 squad on the other side. That is the biggest problem with the game as a new player i am ready to quite, the game seems to take a corp squads and vs them with people that have starting gear so they just mow everyone down and push them back to a couple of spawn points and kill them before they can even move. CCP has to do something better with matchmaking or they will never get new players to put time in the game
Sentient Archon Red Star. 696	Posted - 2013.02.28 16:20:00 - [10] - Quote Nomed Deeps wrote: Repeatedly yesterday in public matches, I kept being put on teams that would not squad or work together where half my team had 0 kills (with numerous deaths so not AFK) and hardly any WPs at end of match. Therefore, almost every match I fought yesterday was my squad of 3 versus 16. I asked myself if I was a player in that situation with 0 kills, multiple deaths, and hardly any war points, "Why keep playing?". I have yet to find a plausible answer. Any ideas what could be going through these players minds? Dude it doesnt make sense in you playing a game if you are not having fun. You are only going to rage. If you find that your team is not helping you out do the following;- If you reached your cap;- go to some obscure corner of the map and hide till hte game is done. Cook some food, take a dump, get a drink or whatever. If you havent reached your cap yet;- pull out your militia sniper loadout and go right next to sniper sniping in your team and start sniping. Make sure you are just a little behind him. Odds are he will die before you do. A good way to get 50 SP per kill.

Heimdallr69 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 136	Posted - 2013.02.28 16:41:00 - [11] - Quote Nomed Deeps wrote: Repeatedly yesterday in public matches, I kept being put on teams that would not squad or work together where half my team had 0 kills (with numerous deaths so not AFK) and hardly any WPs at end of match. Therefore, almost every match I fought yesterday was my squad of 3 versus 16. I asked myself if I was a player in that situation with 0 kills, multiple deaths, and hardly any war points, "Why keep playing?". I have yet to find a plausible answer. Any ideas what could be going through these players minds? Your not going to come from another fps and be a beast it takes time if you help them they will learn faster
Fornacis Fairchild Kat 5 Kaos 26	Posted - 2013.02.28 16:53:00 - [12] - Quote Skirmish? Say no more...that is such a dissapointment now. You will end being one of 5 players actually playing. I would like to thank the forum douches for glorifying AFK SP leeching....and CCP for allowing this to happen. I play Ambush only now.....if a Red wants to AFK more kills for me.
Jetteh22 Commando Perkone Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.02.28 16:59:00 - [13] - Quote To practice and get better. When I fist started I would have 0/10 sometimes with just a few war points from kill assist. Now I'm still not get but I manage to get at least as many kills as deaths or a couple more kills (5/4 or 5/5 etc).
Cosorvin DUST University Ivy League 45	Posted - 2013.02.28 17:02:00 - [14] - Quote Quote: Any ideas what could be going through these players minds? DERP?
Nomed Deeps The Exemplars 91	Posted - 2013.02.28 17:05:00 - [15] - Quote I think the big thing here was this: Quote: would not squad or work together This is not CoD. You need to work as a squad/team to be successful in DUST. Unfortunately, there are too many lone wolves.
Fox Gaden DUST University Ivy League 171	Posted - 2013.02.28 17:10:00 - [16] - Quote Nomed Deeps wrote: Repeatedly yesterday in public matches, I kept being put on teams that would not squad or work together where half my team had 0 kills (with numerous deaths so not AFK) and hardly any WPs at end of match. Therefore, almost every match I fought yesterday was my squad of 3 versus 16. I asked myself if I was a player in that situation with 0 kills, multiple deaths, and hardly any war points, "Why keep playing?". I have yet to find a plausible answer. Any ideas what could be going through these players minds? What could be going through such a playerGÇÖs mind? How about: GÇ£What does this button do? How do I aim this sniper riffle? Wait, where did my riffle go? Why am I now holding a pistil? How do I get my riffle back? Wowha, dead again. What hit me? What are those glowing letters?" Etc... I know this well as a person who bought the PS3 to play DUST and had never played on a consol before and had not played an FPS in 20 years. I think I had played for close to a week before I started getting kills. This morning I went 7/2 though, so I must be getting better. I expect that is why I kept playing. Because I thought I would get better. Basically you got teamed up with a bunch of people who were completely new to the game. This is probably a good sign for the future of DUST. I hope they stick around long enough to figure out what they are doing.
GeneralButtNaked Burnwall Industries 69	Posted - 2013.02.28 17:13:00 - [17] - Quote Nomed Deeps wrote: I think the big thing here was this: Quote: would not squad or work together This is not CoD. You need to work as a squad/team to be successful in DUST. Unfortunately, there are too many lone wolves. You cannot explain that to blues. The game does not explain that to blues. Because there is no basic information about it, what do you expect the new guys to do? They will treat it like any other FPS , get massacred and quit after a week of getting stepped on. If they make it that long. The game punishes new people. First match? Here you go, have a double stacked STB PFBH ambush match. Enjoy your 0-15 while you try and figure out how the game even works. Sure it gets easier after that, but only if you don't waste your starting SP, only if you appreciate that you are going to be subpar for the first month at least, and only if you have people to help you out. CCP really needs to figure out how to do a starter league or else no one new will come in, because starting late in this game means months of getting stepped on to be competitive.
boba's fetta Thukker Tribe Holdings Inc. Gathering Of Nomadic Explorers 10	Posted - 2013.02.28 17:13:00 - [18] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Nomed Deeps wrote: Repeatedly yesterday in public matches, I kept being put on teams that would not squad or work together where half my team had 0 kills (with numerous deaths so not AFK) and hardly any WPs at end of match. Therefore, almost every match I fought yesterday was my squad of 3 versus 16. I asked myself if I was a player in that situation with 0 kills, multiple deaths, and hardly any war points, "Why keep playing?". I have yet to find a plausible answer. Any ideas what could be going through these players minds? What could be going through such a playerGÇÖs mind? How about: GÇ£What does this button do? How do I aim this sniper riffle? Wait, where did my riffle go? Why am I now holding a pistil? How do I get my riffle back? Wowha, dead again. What hit me? What are those glowing letters?" Etc... I know this well as a person who bought the PS3 to play DUST and had never played on a consol before and had not played an FPS in 20 years. I think I had played for close to a week before I started getting kills. This morning I went 7/2 through, so I must be getting better. I expect that is why I kept playing. Because I thought I would get better. Basically you got teamed up with a bunch of people who were completely new to the game. This is probably a good sign for the future of DUST. I hope they stick around long enough to figure out what they are doing. yeah a very good sign.also free wp's =)
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 407	Posted - 2013.02.28 17:16:00 - [19] - Quote Nomed Deeps wrote: Repeatedly yesterday in public matches, I kept being put on teams that would not squad or work together where half my team had 0 kills (with numerous deaths so not AFK) and hardly any WPs at end of match. Therefore, almost every match I fought yesterday was my squad of 3 versus 16. I asked myself if I was a player in that situation with 0 kills, multiple deaths, and hardly any war points, "Why keep playing?". I have yet to find a plausible answer. Any ideas what could be going through these players minds? I said well lets get a few skills and hunt those guys that killed me. Best advice to give a newberry?? Nanohives=WP so drop those suckers anyplace near heavies.
Alcare Xavier Golden DUST University Ivy League 36	Posted - 2013.02.28 17:21:00 - [20] - Quote I wonder if there isn't a reason they could balance matches by squad count... In effect the queuing system would match up the number of pre-made squads and then backfill with non-squad players. Downsides? You'd be at risk for building non-full squads...particularly the lonewolf squad... Benefits? If you prebuild your squad you would be almost guaranteed to fight against at least 1 squad...

dartmyth Algintal Core Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2013.02.28 17:30:00 - [21] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Nomed Deeps wrote: Repeatedly yesterday in public matches, I kept being put on teams that would not squad or work together where half my team had 0 kills (with numerous deaths so not AFK) and hardly any WPs at end of match. Therefore, almost every match I fought yesterday was my squad of 3 versus 16. I asked myself if I was a player in that situation with 0 kills, multiple deaths, and hardly any war points, "Why keep playing?". I have yet to find a plausible answer. Any ideas what could be going through these players minds? I said well lets get a few skills and hunt those guys that killed me. Best advice to give a newberry?? Nanohives=WP so drop those suckers anyplace near heavies. ok and how is a new player suppose to know what a nanohive is and what to do with it how do i equipt it use it allso hear join a corp well how do you do that can ask to join but being new no corp wants you
Sobriety Denied Universal Allies Inc. 449	Posted - 2013.02.28 17:40:00 - [22] - Quote Nomed Deeps wrote: To clarify based off comments, I was playing Skirmish and I was squaded with my corp mates. If it weren't for my corp mates, it would of been 1 on 16 instead of 3 on 16. Maybe it is new players but if so, they were all on my team. I am just frustrated by my streak of losses yesterday which I could not affect no matter how much my corp mates and I tried. We also wasted a lot of good gear. you could have been trying too hard, some matches are hopeless. unless it's a corp match you're not obligated to anyone to keep throwing away gear on a hopeless battle. this is why i have to solo most of the time, everyone wants to try too hard in a pub match they get redlined in and they end up screaming at me because I refuse to solo hack points and get shot in the back of the head while they go negative trying to do that. these same morons also insist on hacking CRUs since they are supposedly bound to their stupid code of honor, but in their mind it's ok to hack EVERY thing and then redline the enemy team- I'm like.. you're doing the exact same thing by redlinging and camping the enemy team I was doing at the CRU except I didnt have to run a freakin marathon to get my kills. i can't stand most of the community is so into this and considers running/hacking to be more fun than an actual fight then they have a screaming session during/after each pub match.
Pent'noir Algintal Core Gallente Federation 64	Posted - 2013.02.28 17:48:00 - [23] - Quote I'll sometimes go 0/10 if my team is for the most part completely out matched, however, i know how to get wp's without having to kill anyone. A new player probably doesn't, so they get 0 wp's. I'd imagine they will figure it out and different things to do when getting pummeled. Those games happen to everyone, sometimes with frequency. If they rage quit over something so dumb, then i probably don't want to play with them anyways. Eventually i'll have to turn my mic back on and i'd rather listen to ppl laugh about being pummeled rather than the rager.
General John Ripper Killshot Corp 49	Posted - 2013.02.28 17:51:00 - [24] - Quote noobs are very benificial to the game. they help me gain more kills and warpoints without any effort on my part at all.
WE LOVE ReGnUM Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 12	Posted - 2013.03.06 15:39:00 - [25] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Why don't you roll with your corp then? If you go lone wolf like myself... You have to pay that price of not being able to rely on anyone, this is why I can probably mow though a squad without support at times. This is also what makes me a very dangerous team player when I am squadded up. lol
Full Metal Kitten Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 198	Posted - 2013.03.06 16:57:00 - [26] - Quote I rolled a new character for giggles yesterday since I had hit my cap. My skill has improved since I started in January, but I got absolutely rolled with 500k SP and a starter fit. Newbros got rolled versus pros in militia fits with equal SP investments, and the gap has severely widened. This is why you see so much sniping from newberries. They still die, but not as much. But you already knew that.
Fraceska Opus Arcana Orion Empire 58	Posted - 2013.03.06 17:24:00 - [27] - Quote A lot of it stems from nothing else to do, 2 game modes and no way to break up those teams. Really small maps so certain builds just dominate on them. I believe that there needs to be a lone wolf mode in which no squads can join, a squad mode were only full squads can join, and an all comers game. EvE is an open sandbox but there are safe zones in which makes those high SP or PvPers very dangerous to get through thanks to CONCORD and the turrets in high sec. There is no buffer like that in Dust which will ruin customer experience and coming from the Service industry once you lose your customer base you will almost never get them back. EvE is one of my favorite games of all time, but CCP needs to do something to address the balance issues and game modes quickly or they won't have a game worth getting passed beta with. Sure the hardcore dust players will remain and that the servers can be kept open with money from EvE, but as a company I don't see how they could justify keeping it open. And their continued silence about such things is worrisome.
Vrain Matari ZionTCD Legacy Rising 435	Posted - 2013.03.06 17:27:00 - [28] - Quote Nomed Deeps wrote: Repeatedly yesterday in public matches, I kept being put on teams that would not squad or work together where half my team had 0 kills (with numerous deaths so not AFK) and hardly any WPs at end of match. Therefore, almost every match I fought yesterday was my squad of 3 versus 16. I asked myself if I was a player in that situation with 0 kills, multiple deaths, and hardly any war points, "Why keep playing?". I have yet to find a plausible answer. Any ideas what could be going through these players minds? I dunno, but i do know that some of those players are going out onto the interwebs and writing reveiws about what a piece of kitten poo DUST is. I'm used to it in EVE, i love that both games demand a smart playerbase and that they filter out a lot of players. What makes me uncomfortable is that the bad core mechanics make everything worse for new peeps and confuse and compound the issue. Peeps posting on game forums may not like the DUST's game design(just like EVE) but what they're complaining about(unlike EVE) is the crappy mechanics(and graphics).
Fraceska Opus Arcana Orion Empire 58	Posted - 2013.03.06 17:33:00 - [29] - Quote With self important bloggers and social media able to influence a much wider customer base those negative reviews can start to add up and seriously dent Dust's profitability. How can you attract more people to EvE and the lore when they play for a few days get highly annoyed and vow never to come back? Not good for business.
Head xXCaseXx Helion Production Labs Mildly Sober 1	Posted - 2013.03.06 17:39:00 - [30] - Quote Fraceska wrote: With self important bloggers and social media able to influence a much wider customer base those negative reviews can start to add up and seriously dent Dust's profitability. How can you attract more people to EvE and the lore when they play for a few days get highly annoyed and vow never to come back? Not good for business. We've been having that discussion on the EVE forums for the past decade. Welcome to the party!



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