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cowleyad
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.28 14:56:00 -
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Gotta admit... This game is growing on me. When I frist played it, I didn't understand the appeal. Now that I'm buying new weapons and obtaining new skills, I'm having fun.
However, I have a major concern and it might be from my lack of understanding: I don't ever seem to have enough money to buy what I want. I usually die 10-15 times per match, resulting in tons of money spent on new dropsuits (not to mention weapons...), which means I never have the dropsuit set-up that I want. This is very frusturating. I'm ALWAYS reverting back to the "Starter Kits" (which have seemed to run-out as well).
Any advice? Do we REALLY need to continually buy a dropsuit, weapon, on and on EVERY TIME we die? It's craziness, I tell ya! |
0 Try Harder
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
RISE of LEGION
129
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Posted - 2013.02.28 15:57:00 -
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cowleyad wrote:Any advice? Do we REALLY need to continually buy a dropsuit, weapon, on and on EVERY TIME we die? It's craziness, I tell ya!
There are starter fits (Assault - Frontline). They are free with unlimited uses.
I'd suggest having a few setups. One setup is cheap 100% militia gear (maybe even using a starter fit). Another setup is a "try-hard" setup where you have good gear.
Use your cheap fit in pub matches. Use try-hard fit when you want to be a try-hard!
No matter what, you should always be making $ from pub matches. Never use gear that you can't support using (ie don't run around in gear that will mean you can't make a profit). |
Kray Dytt
THE DOLLARS
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Posted - 2013.02.28 16:00:00 -
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Short answer: Get better ;)
Long answer: It depends on what you're using, of course. But the core of the game is risk v.s. reward. Using an expensive suit has the potential to allow you to do better so you get better rewards, but the risk is you lose more ISK.
Trying to balance that is key. I think most people have different "price range" fittings based on what they want to do (besides the obvious different utilities): a "perfect" one, expensive but the best you can have. A "budget" one which is slightly less effective, but cheaper too. And some in between, likely.
And there's always the free starter fits. A good way to stock up on cash a bit is playing a couple of ambush games with the free suits. Added bonus: it's a great way to hone your skills.
Finally, there is a number op "blueprint" (OBP) items that don't run out. You can buy them for AUR generally. If you buy the MERC pack of the PS store, you get an OBP scout suit and SMG. And 40k AUR which you can use, for instance, to buy a type-I suit of choice which is OBP. Much more info on this can be found here in these forums (I'm not to knowledgeable about it all tbh). |
General John Ripper
Killshot Corp
50
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Posted - 2013.02.28 18:09:00 -
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You die way too much. Use the start kits and practice with them. Using the lower kits will force you to play better because you will be at a slight disadvantage. Save up isk. I usually only die between 1-5 times a math.
USUALLY. sometimes I die more. Just learn to duck and cover, let your shields recharge. Learn to flank enemies instead of running right at them in their line of sight. ect. |
Fox Gaden
DUST University
Ivy League
171
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Posted - 2013.02.28 18:29:00 -
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If your starter suits have run out, it is a glitch. Reboot and try again. (I had my starter suits show as invalid fittings once. If I made a copy of the fitting the copy would work. When I rebooted it fixed the problem.)
I played starter fits exclusively until I had some confidence in my skills. By that time I had accumulated 8 million ISK. (Yes, it took a while for me to gain confidence in my skills. LOL)
When I play my good custom fits I usually loose money, so I have to play starter or cheap fits in between to earn more ISK.
Because the starter fits do not do everything I want to do now, I have made some Cheap fits by copying the starter fits and adding or exchanging a few items. Such as adding a Nano Hive to a copy of the starter assault sniper fit. If you are only paying for one or two items in the fit, it is a lot cheaper. I also added a shield extender to the starter Medic fit.
I bought the Mercenary Pack, which comes with a Blueprint for a SMG, so I replaced the sidearm on my starter fits with that, as it is slightly better than the Militia one (Same as the Basic I think) and is free once the BPO is purchased. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S.
Legacy Rising
427
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Posted - 2013.02.28 18:50:00 -
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cowleyad wrote:Gotta admit... This game is growing on me. When I frist played it, I didn't understand the appeal. Now that I'm buying new weapons and obtaining new skills, I'm having fun.
However, I have a major concern and it might be from my lack of understanding: I don't ever seem to have enough money to buy what I want. I usually die 10-15 times per match, resulting in tons of money spent on new dropsuits (not to mention weapons...), which means I never have the dropsuit set-up that I want. This is very frusturating. I'm ALWAYS reverting back to the "Starter Kits" (which have seemed to run-out as well).
Any advice? Do we REALLY need to continually buy a dropsuit, weapon, on and on EVERY TIME we die? It's craziness, I tell ya!
If we always had the setup we wanted this wouldn't be dust
and if you think infantry is bad, try vehicles every time i lose 1 i have to play 2-3 matches to buy another and when you bring the cost of the suits i lose in those matches into it... well i spend the majority of my time with around 500k isk or less in my account. |
dustwaffle
Clandestine Vector
THE SPACE P0LICE
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Posted - 2013.03.01 08:07:00 -
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gbghg wrote:well i spend the majority of my time with around 500k isk or less in my account.
I roll with basic gear and manage to stay at 100k isk on average in my account  |
Eris Ernaga
Super Smash Bros
Friends United Seeking Influence and Notoriety
37
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Posted - 2013.03.01 08:45:00 -
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cowleyad wrote:Gotta admit... This game is growing on me. When I frist played it, I didn't understand the appeal. Now that I'm buying new weapons and obtaining new skills, I'm having fun.
However, I have a major concern and it might be from my lack of understanding: I don't ever seem to have enough money to buy what I want. I usually die 10-15 times per match, resulting in tons of money spent on new dropsuits (not to mention weapons...), which means I never have the dropsuit set-up that I want. This is very frusturating. I'm ALWAYS reverting back to the "Starter Kits" (which have seemed to run-out as well).
Any advice? Do we REALLY need to continually buy a dropsuit, weapon, on and on EVERY TIME we die? It's craziness, I tell ya!
Yeah it is a bit crazy but I make over 300,000 every game and hardly die even once I ride in tanks that are hard to kill and play it strategically not going into death points to often. I find that blowing up vehicles instillations and RDVs will give me many many points to score number one in a game and get me 2,000+ war points easily. Thus lots of sp and money, good solution only problem is people trying to drop obs on me but i can tank an entire ob with my modules active only problem is sometimes there cooling down or i am being hit by someone else at the same time. |
ChromeBreaker
SVER True Blood
Unclaimed.
213
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Posted - 2013.03.01 11:11:00 -
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I have many different load outs, some if i lose more than one or 2 im in the red, others are free, and a lot are in between.
The expensive stuff is for special matches, when i have lots of isk or i get particularly bored. The cheep stuff is for when im having a bad day lol |
Chankk Saotome
CrimeWave Syndicate
191
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Posted - 2013.03.02 05:50:00 -
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My suits are all 0-20k for pub matches and I make bank. The problem isn't the cost of the suits the issue is making the green.
Ranking in the top 3 and pulling 200-300k (Had a match the other night got me 402k, beast) means not worrying about it when your suits are that cheap, the trick is getting to those top spots, which means WP.
There are lots of ways to get WP but basically they come down to three things:
Kill reddots
Hack objectives & installations
Revive, Repair, Resupply Bluedots
A good logi does all those, but in reverse order... Thus explaining why a Militia suit logi can be number 1 in pub matches.
Not gonna champion my own role but I'll say this, use the starter triage fit and stick to your bluedots, get assists and revive those who drop which means staying behind the guys getting shot down. This will also help you not die as often yourself meaning let spent on lost loadouts.
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A strong man can do many things,
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Harkon Vysarii
Dead Six Initiative
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Posted - 2013.03.02 06:45:00 -
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If I had to make a suggestion it would be to group up with some Corp Mates and get communicating. Call enemy locations, etc.
Otherwise dont treat this game like a traditional FPS, in DUST you cant take on multiple foes no matter how skilled you are....unless you are a heavy. Try to find cover, look to your map, and pick off stragglers before dropping back to all those blue dots.
Also try running a Logi suit for a bit. Follow Heavies around and repair them, you can avoid combat and if the fire fight goes your way then get in there to rez you fallen brothers.
Just take DUST slower than most shooters, pick your targets, and run with the team. |
Panther Alpha
Blueberries United
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Posted - 2013.03.02 10:03:00 -
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You need to hit the right balance with you Dropsuit setups :
The more you risk, the higher you chance to do well, but also the higher the risk that you will lost ISK.
I explain my default setup for pub matches to you ;
Tier 1 Dropsuit + basic weapons + (Militia basic modules) = Cheapest all-around setup
Tier 2 Dropsuit + tier 2 weapon + normal modules = Average setup ( only 2 to 3 times a battle use )
Tier 2 Dropsuit + Prototype weapon + normal / advanced modules = Over powered / Stats boost setup ( only once a battle, and only when i feel is save to use it )
Militia free standard dropsuit = when i dying to many times, and a isk lost is evident.
You can also use tier 3, but for PUB battles is not point. Tier 3 is more of a Corporation battles dropsuit.
Try to figure out what is the best setup for you. And in not time you will do much better with you ISK gain. |
WarI0rd
Immortal Retribution
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Posted - 2013.03.12 23:23:00 -
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The easy solution is die less. After every match you'll always get SP and isk. If you didn't die allot then your earning more then spending. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1106
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Posted - 2013.03.12 23:44:00 -
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Start slow- until you have a decent amount of spent SP and you feel confident about your ability to survive, only stray from starter fits when you feel the other team is no threat to your money. |
Justin Tymes
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.13 04:59:00 -
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Dying less should be your number one priority. Try not to die more than 5 times, any more than that means you're not only hurting your wallet but hurting your team as well. 2-2 will always be better than 8-8.
Travel in groups. If you see a 3 or more people traveling together try to stick with them. If you're a Logibro with a repair and you spot a Heavy with a HMG stay with him. Hell even if your're not a Logi, it's probably a good idea to stay with him, and just provide cover fire. Numbers = power in this game.
Don't stay in one spot for too long. Try to move around a bit and be aware of your surroundings. If you see a red dot from far away(especially elevated) and they aren''t moving, you should be since it's most likely a sniper. If you suddenly lose all of your shield and some of your health don't think move before they get that second shot in.
If you do die, try to wait for a Logibro to revive you if the threat is eliminated. Your K/D is still affected(not like that matters to anyone other than the narcissists) but you don't get penalized a clone if successful which is alot more important.
Just play smart. You don't have to be a killing machine, if you think you're not good in 1-1 situations, don't allow yourself to get into 1-1 situations. Don't go running out to fight a pack of enemies, or try to heal someone who just died to 3-4 people and end up getting raped yourself. |
Draykaden
Krullefor Organization
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.03.13 05:54:00 -
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I would also suggest that you run ambush as well, it's a faster game, and you get good ISK for low ranks in wp. From my experience if you want a chance for more SP, run skirmish. If you want a chance for better ISK ambush gets me a lot more if not by pure results, by speed in matches.
Like someone else said also, try using militia gear sets, and put some skill points in passive skills that can help you survive or do more Dmg.
Dray~ |
Delirium Inferno
Chernova Industries
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Posted - 2013.03.13 06:44:00 -
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Play a week or so entirely using free starter fits. Get a good feel for the range of weapons and quickly identifying what weapon the enemy is using. Get a feel for how many shots enemies can take. Get a feel for when you can take on some enemies and when you should retreat for back-up. Get a feel for what gets you to show up on enemy radars and what doesn't. Then start using your better gear.
Most shooters generally follow the same recipe with all of the above being near identical. Dust 514 has an entirely different set of parameters. It's best you get a good understanding for the combat in Dust 514 so you can approach each encounter more efficiently. Soon enough instead of running out of your favorite fit you'll be gaining them each battle. |
Fro Diesel
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2013.03.13 07:15:00 -
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I may not be that good at dust yet. But from experience with other fps titles the best advice really is learn to die less. I spent so much time trying to get better by killing more which got me no where. Once I finally decided to focus on dying less I saw my k/d go way up. I was typically a break even type of killer, after learning to die less I started to become top 3 in almost every match I was in. Often times being the best k/d of the whole match. The trick is learning for yourself what that means. My example will be halo 3. For me dying less in that game meant not rushing into the fight before identifying the threat, and sticking with a team mate. Honestly I havent figured it out quite yet in dust. So my advice would be try different things with the free fits and observe which action keep you from dying. I know k/d is not everything but bottom line if you are in the field and have a positive k/d you are most likely a beneficial part of your team. |
Chankk Saotome
CrimeWave Syndicate
196
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Posted - 2013.03.13 14:37:00 -
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Delirium Inferno wrote:Play a week or so entirely using free starter fits. Get a good feel for the range of weapons and quickly identifying what weapon the enemy is using. Get a feel for how many shots enemies can take. Get a feel for when you can take on some enemies and when you should retreat for back-up. Get a feel for what gets you to show up on enemy radars and what doesn't. Then start using your better gear.
Most shooters generally follow the same recipe with all of the above being near identical. Dust 514 has an entirely different set of parameters. It's best you get a good understanding for the combat in Dust 514 so you can approach each encounter more efficiently. Soon enough instead of running out of your favorite fit you'll be gaining them each battle.
I wouldn't go so far as to say DUST has an entirely different set of parameters, it's more that, as thoroughly stated, DUST is not a game where you can go Rambo and win the match by yourself.
Similar to Zipper productions like MAG, teamwork will help you more than anything, ANYTHING, else in the game. Better armor, better gear, better guns... PFFFFTTH. It means nothing when a squad of militia-geared guys can take out a squad of super-cocky "Try Hard" Protos who think their ISK mystically makes them invulnerable.
Beyond that, DUST seems very centered on survival and an odd paradox of defensively aggressive play.
In most FPS games, the greatest defense is a good offense, but in DUST the best defense involves knowing the terrain and environment, and often just backing away from an engagement either to get teammate support, take a better defensive position, or simply escape the mass of reddots heading your direction.
Just today I had a couple of matches where just fleeing an enemy squad ended up turning the whole engagement as it broke them up with some wanting to chase me or a teammate, some wanting to hold (at an objective or installation, probably to hack) and some wanting to put up a perimeter which allowed other teammates to pick off their formerly well-organized group and handle them in 1v1 engagements (Seriously, it was pretty cool.)
Advice to the other side is that, though it may be tempting to chase down an enemy running away, going after him solo or suddenly spreading your squad too thin can be very hazardous. So that one guy got away. Be aware of him, but at least your little group didn't suddenly shatter apart all over the map, making themselves easy targets.
I try to look at moments like this from both sides and imagine how they could be done better by both sides. Granted, I focus more on what will help me and mine in the immediate but it's always good to remember the effects for the future for when the roles are reversed.
But honestly, that's a whole lot of other mess and I'm hardly a master tactician in this game.
Take the quote to heart... It's so true in this game:
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A strong man can do many things,
But the strongest knows he cannot do everything alone. |
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