DUST Search - Wow CCP - this spawn system is even worse.

Gunner Nightingale wrote:

Jack Sharkey42 wrote:

CCP: Wow, look at all this negative feedback about ambush spawns. People saying how they wont play until its fixed, we should do something!

*patch downloaded*

CCP: Wait...it was too random before but now its not random enough? Wtf?

I was annoyed with the previous spawn system but never felt it was out of control because i understood it. I also called it when i said this would happen if changes like this were made.

Better to have disorder and force players to play "tactically" and "guard" their flank and move in "squads" The spawns weren't random before they were randomly selected from "fixed number of choices" Once you knew them and understood them it was easier to manage.

The only time the previous spawn system was a REAL problem was at first spawn which is why this new spawn setup should be how first spawn is done, everyone together at the farthest geographic points on the map, then random fixed spawns like before.

I explain how they work properly if you give them time here.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=586140#post586140

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Gunner Nightingale Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 248	Posted - 2013.02.28 16:14:00 - [31] - Quote Jack Sharkey42 wrote: CCP: Wow, look at all this negative feedback about ambush spawns. People saying how they wont play until its fixed, we should do something! patch downloaded CCP: Wait...it was too random before but now its not random enough? Wtf? I was annoyed with the previous spawn system but never felt it was out of control because i understood it. I also called it when i said this would happen if changes like this were made. There is no perfect spawn system and any system allows for ordered spawning create a controllable system that can create spawn lock/camping. Better to have disorder and force players to play "tactically" and "guard" their flank and move in "squads" The spawns weren't random before they were randomly selected from "fixed number of choices" Once you knew them and understood them it was easier to manage. Problem is too many ambush take place on ashland and manus peak which are way too small for a 16v16 so players get jumped far too easily. The previous spawn system worked well on other maps but those maps had CRU and some idiot would hack and the whole team would spawn there and get camped. The only time the previous spawn system was a REAL problem was at first spawn which is why this new spawn setup should be how first spawn is done, everyone together at the farthest geographic points on the map, then random fixed spawns like before. I explain how they work properly if you give them time here. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=586140#post586140
Your Absolut End SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 11	Posted - 2013.02.28 16:25:00 - [32] - Quote Yeeha whining time again :D I think the new spans are better than before. I like this 2 fronts coliding, I don't know with which guys you normally play but yesterday evening and night I saw a lot of awesome battles, 2 Fronts coliding and some people trying to get around the mob to suprise the enemy side. I like this way much more than always spawning in the enemy mob or even better spawning in front of 2 Heavies. But Hey if you want this back why don't you just rush in the enemy mob? I think changing this new spawn model back would be the baddest idea ever. And seriously, how many threads have been on these forums whining about the old system, and now you want it back? So if you guys have something left from that joint just head it over to me....
Cat Merc Systems Federation Coalition of Galactic Unity 14	Posted - 2013.02.28 16:30:00 - [33] - Quote I think battles with blobs of players are more epic than battles with teams scattered around. Makes the battle feel bigger than it is.
Your Absolut End SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 11	Posted - 2013.02.28 16:31:00 - [34] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: I think battles with blobs of players are more epic than battles with teams scattered around. Makes the battle feel bigger than it is. exactly this
Jack Sharkey42 Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 23	Posted - 2013.02.28 16:37:00 - [35] - Quote Gunner Nightingale wrote: Jack Sharkey42 wrote: CCP: Wow, look at all this negative feedback about ambush spawns. People saying how they wont play until its fixed, we should do something! patch downloaded CCP: Wait...it was too random before but now its not random enough? Wtf? I was annoyed with the previous spawn system but never felt it was out of control because i understood it. I also called it when i said this would happen if changes like this were made. Better to have disorder and force players to play "tactically" and "guard" their flank and move in "squads" The spawns weren't random before they were randomly selected from "fixed number of choices" Once you knew them and understood them it was easier to manage. The only time the previous spawn system was a REAL problem was at first spawn which is why this new spawn setup should be how first spawn is done, everyone together at the farthest geographic points on the map, then random fixed spawns like before. I explain how they work properly if you give them time here. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=586140#post586140 I didn't have much of a problem with the last one either. Just spawn with a starter suit the first few times or something cheap. But I understood the gripes. This is gonna come with its own issues and problems, but its been out for less than 3 days and people are already crawling out of the wood work. I think its one of those "please some of the people some of the time" kinda deals. I'm at least willing to give this a trial run. I definitely see better teamwork, especially between blues, and maybe this will open up new tactical options that blob warfare doesn't afford you in EVE (such as flanking, fire support, little dispatch groups, etc).
Rainn Ender L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 2	Posted - 2013.02.28 16:37:00 - [36] - Quote Your Absolut End wrote: Cat Merc wrote: I think battles with blobs of players are more epic than battles with teams scattered around. Makes the battle feel bigger than it is. exactly this just remove all cover too and you got the most fun, furious bloodbath ever concieved! you want cover? bring a tank!
Your Absolut End SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 11	Posted - 2013.02.28 16:57:00 - [37] - Quote Rainn Ender wrote: Your Absolut End wrote: Cat Merc wrote: I think battles with blobs of players are more epic than battles with teams scattered around. Makes the battle feel bigger than it is. exactly this just remove all cover too and you got the most fun, furious bloodbath ever concieved! you want cover? bring a tank! I'm just saying for me this 2 fronts bring in much more tactic than before. But I think this all depends on opinions, best might be if ccp gets back the other system as another mode. Better call it directly "Have fun spawning in the enemy pack"
Tiel Syysch Imperfects Negative-Feedback 641	Posted - 2013.02.28 18:14:00 - [38] - Quote Beren Hurin wrote: Place feedback here...read announcement threads... lock...lock...lock... Sorry, but this thread was posted almost 6 hours before the announcement. Your Absolut End wrote: And seriously, how many threads have been on these forums whining about the old system, and now you want it back? Don't know if anyone is asking for the old system back, people are just highlighted that this new system is not without flaws. It's actually a nice spawn system at the start of the match. It's how it works in practice after the match has been going on for a while that it solves absolutely none of the spawning into bullets problems and actually makes it worse when the enemy team knows what they're doing and how to abuse the system (which took just a few games to figure out what was going on, by the way).
Gunner Nightingale Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 253	Posted - 2013.02.28 19:29:00 - [39] - Quote Your Absolut End wrote: Yeeha whining time again :D I think the new spans are better than before. I like this 2 fronts coliding, I don't know with which guys you normally play but yesterday evening and night I saw a lot of awesome battles, 2 Fronts coliding and some people trying to get around the mob to suprise the enemy side. I like this way much more than always spawning in the enemy mob or even better spawning in front of 2 Heavies. But Hey if you want this back why don't you just rush in the enemy mob? I think changing this new spawn model back would be the baddest idea ever. And seriously, how many threads have been on these forums whining about the old system, and now you want it back? So if you guys have something left from that joint just head it over to me.... I didnt write posts supporting or bashing the old system because i did agree it had its issues, but im also too lazy to dig through my post where i specifically cite there is no perfect spawn system and anything that isnt random spawning will lead to camping and spawnlocking. And well here you have it.
WyrmHero1945 IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 18	Posted - 2013.02.28 19:57:00 - [40] - Quote But the giant blueberry blob exists in skirmish too. This one however moves from null cannon to null cannon. My theory is that because there's no squad spawn (like Battlefield), people just stick to the whole team like a giant squad. No squad bonus WP (except when a leader gives orders) just means it's the same I revive a random blueberry than my squadmate.

Chips LeStar GPlus Fighters 0	Posted - 2013.02.28 19:58:00 - [41] - Quote I actually am another one that liked the changes implemented in how players spawned into the game. BUT... Before this happening to the mode, I took the word "Ambush" literally. I always HATED the way we spawned into the game, right next to one or two enemies. But as I stated, I took the word "Ambush" literally (after learning that even in-game, it was taken literally). Because the mode is, in fact, Ambush. You spawn in a surprising manner next to an opposing team member. It's YOUR job to survive the possible onslaught and either regroup with your Squad, or attempt to get back with a pack of your team members. Hopefully you or another member of your team thinks smart and sets up a spawn point to easily get the whole team working as one again. That all said, I believe Ambush Should be changed back, although I enjoyed the one game I played almost an hour ago (because we dominated even on my one kill, lol). It IS called "Ambush", as someone here stated earlier. This type of spawning seems more suited as a separate mode altogether. In CoD lingo, it should be "Team Deathmatch." But if said mode were created, spawns are in need of a fixing. In the match I was in, we quickly surrounded the other team as one by one spawned into play. It was rather cheap, to say the least. (And I dare not mention the tank that somehow made it into play ;).
Cat Merc Systems Federation Coalition of Galactic Unity 15	Posted - 2013.02.28 21:53:00 - [42] - Quote Rainn Ender wrote: Your Absolut End wrote: Cat Merc wrote: I think battles with blobs of players are more epic than battles with teams scattered around. Makes the battle feel bigger than it is. exactly this just remove all cover too and you got the most fun, furious bloodbath ever concieved! you want cover? bring a tank! Hmm... No. Epic battle =/= Mindless shootout. Maybe you're running out of cover and get your head blown off, but I stick to cover and defend the line until I'm overrun, and then I move out to the next piece of cover.
Telcontar Dunedain Imperfects Negative-Feedback 336	Posted - 2013.02.28 21:56:00 - [43] - Quote Gunner Nightingale wrote: Jack Sharkey42 wrote: CCP: Wow, look at all this negative feedback about ambush spawns. People saying how they wont play until its fixed, we should do something! patch downloaded CCP: Wait...it was too random before but now its not random enough? Wtf? .... Better to have disorder and force players to play "tactically" and "guard" their flank and move in "squads" The spawns weren't random before they were randomly selected from "fixed number of choices" Once you knew them and understood them it was easier to manage. ... Forcing players to do something they NEED to LEARN how to do is just bad bad bad. Teamfire is something that arises from communication between squad members. Having it happen magically from bad maps and spawns is a terrible idea.
dimitry krivoy Crash Test Industries 0	Posted - 2013.03.01 00:45:00 - [44] - Quote Steal the spawn system for Section 9 Pred, it is one of the best parts of the whole game, you already have the inertial dampners. Let us use them from the spawn map. Either limit where a team can drop in to a largish area on their side, or also steal the Anti-Air guns system for the same game. Also reduce the required fall distance to use it, and the down time when u land, its fun to use.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 279	Posted - 2013.03.01 02:03:00 - [45] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: Just have both teams spawn on different sides at the start of the match, anything after that is fair game.
Imp Smash On The Brink 51	Posted - 2013.03.01 02:21:00 - [46] - Quote I like the new spawn. Once we have bigger maps it'll stop spawn camping and promote working as a group
2-Ton Twenty-One Imperfects Negative-Feedback 239	Posted - 2013.03.01 05:48:00 - [47] - Quote Peoples gameplay will adjust to the new system just like we did for the old one. CCP will wait a month or 2 before readjustment of the new spawn system and rightly so. Its growing pains and first day patch go and change it back? why? wait till the players have to adapt their game before doing anything. and seeing as how dust 514 has one of the most stubborn knuckle-dragging playerbase of any game i have been the part of IE See anti Tank and anti heavy. It will take like 3 months before most pull put their heads out of their butts and try to adapt to the new system anyway. CCP has no point and no reason to listen to any of you at this stage of the patch


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