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Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 444	Posted - 2013.02.28 12:43:00 - [31] - Quote LrDr wrote: Necrodermis wrote: real rifles go up to 300 meters. don't you love when science fiction weapons suck worst than modern ones. real HMG go up 1500-2000 meters, ..... fix them right from 50-80m in dust ?)))) There's the range the bullets go, then there's the range up to which it will have any effect at all against sci-fi armor.
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 404	Posted - 2013.02.28 12:43:00 - [32] - Quote Wait wouldn't more recoil per tier make it harder to use but still easy mode at the same time? I hope it's intended like that.
LrDr Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 10	Posted - 2013.02.28 13:11:00 - [33] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: There's the range the bullets go, then there's the range up to which it will have any effect at all against sci-fi armor. our shield`s look like awesome, 50m from hgm - from full to zero at 0.2sec. 55m from gmh - no any damage. Spaceawemoswmagic i think.
xXCleopatra FlippantXx LABRADOR LAV's 0	Posted - 2013.02.28 13:29:00 - [34] - Quote assult rifles are boss, cuz u need skill to use em aswell, i'd say, its a good investment. if u wanna be a slow poking heavy machine gunner, fine, i'll try and out flank and poke you, while i stay in cover, and try to run behind and jack you while surrounded . its super fun to try, but u can allso die in fire.. u have to play the role, not just use weapons, and assult is gracefull. i do admit its the scariest weapon in the game tho, in the hands of madmen like seraphim 4 example
semperfi1999 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 317	Posted - 2013.02.28 13:39:00 - [35] - Quote LrDr wrote: Necrodermis wrote: real rifles go up to 300 meters. don't you love when science fiction weapons suck worst than modern ones. real HMG go up 1500-2000 meters, ..... fix them right from 50-80m in dust ?)))) Sorry but you fail at recognizing the difference between RL and game balance. If you want R/L then in reality the HMG should have a chance to jam when its being used and clearing the jam should take a heavy 3 times the normal reload speed. After extensive use they should also have to clean the gun in the MQ since they would get dirty really fast and cause even more jams if you use it without cleaning properly. It could be a minigame for the heavies to have to clean their HMGs and put it back together right or it explodes the next time you try to shoot it. So cut the RL example idiocy. This isnt RL.
Cyn Bruin Imperfects Negative-Feedback 663	Posted - 2013.02.28 13:42:00 - [36] - Quote Israckcatarac wrote: IS it me or is the AR Reaching across the assault maps like a Sniper Rifle, look's like it needs a range nerf. You were probably killed by someone who has already maxed out Light Sharpshooter and is now a few skill levels into Light Sharpshooter Proficiency. See... If you skill into things, it makes them better. He put points into being able to shoot you at a long distance, you didnt.
LrDr Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 10	Posted - 2013.02.28 14:07:00 - [37] - Quote semperfi1999, sorry, about R/L AR to 300 meters - my words to? Meybe - first look, then write ?)) btw: what about blaster & railgun in R/L? I think it`s wery close to personal nuclear reactor for dropsuit.
semperfi1999 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 317	Posted - 2013.02.28 15:06:00 - [38] - Quote LrDr wrote: semperfi1999, sorry, about R/L AR to 300 meters - my words to? Meybe - first look, then write ?)) btw: what about blaster & railgun in R/L? I think it`s wery close to personal nuclear reactor for dropsuit. If you look at the quote its obvious who said what. I quoted your post which you had already quoted someone else. I was responding to your post only but I think I made it pretty clear that I think comparing a game to RL is idiotic. If you didnt understand that in my post then I will make it clear. Game Balance > Real Life If you start talking about RL in relation to gaming you have already lost the arguement.......because noone cares about RL for gaming its about balance. If this game was RL its likely 1 strike from an orbiting ship would completely glass the entire map that we play on making any further fighting futile. BTW when people quote they are usually quoting and speaking to the person specifically that made that post not necessarily to all the people who you might have quoted beforehand.
LrDr Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 10	Posted - 2013.02.28 22:06:00 - [39] - Quote semperfi1999, let`s go from start: - R/L rifles up to 300m - somebody say - Yap - answer i - HMG up to 2000m, fix AR and HMG as R/L? (i hope you understand that meen "sarcasm" ) - R/L HMG jam, slow reload [....many other word abour R/L...], overall: comparing a game to RL is idiotic - say You to me twice, and twice write many words about R/L. There logic, man? btw - i not be strike from orbit, i throw the shuttle or frigat - more effective. 2th bwt - you may edit quote text - it`s simble and not take many time, try it, it`s realy simplifies dialogue.
Johnny Guilt Algintal Core Gallente Federation 50	Posted - 2013.02.28 22:11:00 - [40] - Quote Most of the rilfes can get ranges comparable to snipers with BETTER accuracy because of the maxed skills for less kick. Once they twaek laser rifles, ARs are going to be a joke at long range as Laser rifles are at close range.

Fornacis Fairchild Kat 5 Kaos 26	Posted - 2013.02.28 22:31:00 - [41] - Quote Hahaha.....sniper butt hurt. The range is fine ...
Vin Vicious Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 22	Posted - 2013.02.28 23:01:00 - [42] - Quote oh look, another AR thread, while were at it ,lets nerf the reload time. seeing we want the recoil, range, dmg nerfd, may as well make it an even four.
Israckcatarac Opus Arcana Orion Empire 3	Posted - 2013.02.28 23:11:00 - [43] - Quote Like Moth's to the fire. After listening to you all QQ about the Range of my HVY for the last 2 months, and a lack of AR nerf requests. It felt it was time to break the monopoly. OOh and for all you -5k kills with less then 2.00 KDR you can kiss my Big Fat HVY 10k+ kill's Buttock's.
Ten-Sidhe Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 416	Posted - 2013.03.01 00:30:00 - [44] - Quote sniper rifle does full damage to 600m. AR does full to about 36m, 78m max range before plasma disappears. both can be improved by sharpshooter kills, my ar now has max of about 106m, my sniper does full damage to 800m+. Ar doesn't rival sniper rifle range, snipers are shooting from to close most of the time. Real life, plasma weapons were looked into and not pursed due to short range before plasma dispersed to nothing. So, the ar range is about right from that angle too. They use them for the high damage. M-16 would out range a gek, but do nothing to our armour when it hits. Laser rifle does max damage at far side of it's range, ar at the close side. So, even with similar ranges they fit different engagement ranges best. Rather then more range, it would be nice if the laser dropped in damage for a while after the current max.
Evicer Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 13	Posted - 2013.03.01 00:45:00 - [45] - Quote Full Metal Kitten wrote: Train sharpshooter proficiency and then get back to us with an extra dose of QQ. Hate to flame ya but this guy is absolutely right...... to the OP:this guy that shot you probably has lvl5. Im sick of punk whinners
Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 4	Posted - 2013.03.01 01:12:00 - [46] - Quote I've gotten taken out at longer ranges by a few AR's (typically while sniping). It can be a suprise when I run across someone who mows me down from farther away than expected with an AR, but as other's have said it is a rifle so it's meant for more than strictly up-close work, and with the sharpshooter skills the effective range can get pretty good. I think it's cool the skills can have such a noticeable effect if you put the points in to specialize. When I get tagged from afar w/ the AR I just chalk it up to my needing better tactics or situational awarenss and I re-spawn. I don't think they need to be nerfed for range or damage (although I do agree w/ the comments on more recoil for lower tier AR's). I kind of like the idea of using the Tac AR w/ my scout suit for some mid-range strategic sniping (this seems like it would be a particularly good compromise w/ the scout suits that only have 1 weapon slot). If I can make it more effective w/ the sharpshooter skill, all the better.
trollface dot jpg Destined 4 Biomass 32	Posted - 2013.03.01 12:05:00 - [47] - Quote Kamiya Musume wrote: Remove ARs altogether, every other FPS has them and only CoD kiddies use them, let's have electromagnetic catapults! also some nice wooden crossbows... oh, and where are all the exploding barrels? Now THERE'S an idea...
Greasepalms Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 70	Posted - 2013.03.01 12:53:00 - [48] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=40886&find=unread
BASSMEANT ZionTCD Legacy Rising 130	Posted - 2013.03.01 13:56:00 - [49] - Quote WTF? what is wrong with you people? AR is fine. it's you players that are broken. Peace B
EnIgMa99 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 226	Posted - 2013.03.01 14:25:00 - [50] - Quote Vermaak Doe wrote: Lr needs longer range yep

Sir Petersen Valhalla Nord 112	Posted - 2013.03.01 14:37:00 - [51] - Quote Nothing wrong with the AR.
Prangstar RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 64	Posted - 2013.03.10 12:34:00 - [52] - Quote Israckcatarac wrote: IS it me or is the AR Reaching across the assault maps like a Sniper Rifle, look's like it needs a range nerf. I smell a sniper ***** getting owned every single game. Nerf noobs.
Firestorm Zulu Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 173	Posted - 2013.03.10 12:41:00 - [53] - Quote They need to increase the range of ARs. Dissapearing bullets is not a good mechanic.
iceyburnz Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 319	Posted - 2013.03.10 12:44:00 - [54] - Quote Maximum Effective range on the 'M16' for a Point Target = 550 meters Max Effective Range for an Area Target = 800 meters Maximum effective range for the SA80 is 400 meters. Just sayin'
J-Lewis Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 8	Posted - 2013.03.10 13:59:00 - [55] - Quote The longest range you'll get with a Gallente AR is 170 some meters. That's with a Duvolle Tactical AR and Sharpshooter + Sharpshooter Proficiency 5. Gallente AR are fine.
IRuby Heart DIOS EX. 397	Posted - 2013.03.10 15:42:00 - [56] - Quote Y0UR NAME HERE wrote: GoD-NoVa wrote: no ARs DO NOT need a range nerf, they are fine. they just need more space between tiers to give us a reason to use higher teir. LR do way more dmg than an AR at range True, but at the same range being able to simply hold R1 is ridiculous. Also, when I armor tank and stack damage mods, I feel no difference between my elm and gek at range. Viziam is another story though. AR's simply need Less recoil for proto, more for the lower tiers, They also need a damage difference or something to make you want proto. Don't really know what you're talking about. You cannot hold down R1 with any assault rifle and not have to compensate for recoil. Especially not across the map. Even the exile requires some control.
XxWarlordxX97 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 400	Posted - 2013.03.10 15:54:00 - [57] - Quote Israckcatarac wrote: IS it me or is the AR Reaching across the assault maps like a Sniper Rifle, look's like it needs a range nerf. yes it is ccp nerf the AR
Doc Audio Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 3	Posted - 2013.03.10 16:11:00 - [58] - Quote Israckcatarac wrote: IS it me or is the AR Reaching across the assault maps like a Sniper Rifle, look's like it needs a range nerf. Its not near as bad as it was in closed beta. Im assuming you were not here when they nerfed the AR the first few times? It was the same complaint though....Nerf the AR, it shoots across the map, it does to much damage etc.. Im thinking that maybe its the Light Weapon Sharpshooter skill bonus that is causing you grief not the AR itself. Honestly id rather ccp work on the game content at this point....the weapon balance is decent and ccp can make minor changes in weapon balance after we get the full feel of what the game has to offer! Additionally, the maps we are playing on are about 1/8th of what they are supposed to be. Once we get the full size maps you snipers will have plenty of opportunities to be untouchable! Then again, at that point this thread would read "Nerf Sniper Rifles" they can shoot across the map? Just remember, the majority of the community uses the AR. If we nerf that again ccp will have to nerf everything else to make the majority happy?
Sleepy Zan Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 2094	Posted - 2013.03.10 16:16:00 - [59] - Quote Please nerf the ARs range, it is getting too close to my sniper rifle's base range of 599m
tribal wyvern ZionTCD Legacy Rising 687	Posted - 2013.03.10 16:18:00 - [60] - Quote Israckcatarac wrote: IS it me or is the AR Reaching across the assault maps like a Sniper Rifle, look's like it needs a range nerf. No it's just you, but take into account that the sharpshooter skill increases range by 5% per level, so that's an extra 25% for maxed skill.



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