DUST Search - Vehicles without turrets

Takahiro Kashuken wrote:

KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:

I do like this idea, don't get it wrong. I've personally wanted to do that since the days of small missile turrets days of reign. I wanted to replace my large turret with small missile (as it felt better and earlier I had way better skills to them than larges).

BUT HOWEVER
This would make balancing the vehicles way more difficult. Not impossible, but difficult.
At the moment there's quite a small range of PG/CPU you are operating in. Having default turrets (even when replaced by meta1) they effectively lessen tanks max PG/CPU.

If removed, tanks would have more PG/CPU and therefore would be able to easily fit superior protection at the same time with superior weapons.
I dare to say there would be no more room for 3 gun tank on the battlefield. Well you could choose to use it, this is a sandbox after all.

Point is: Currently tank pilots have to make tough choices to make their fits, they can't have all. Removing turrets would open the door for no-brainer fits.

But think of the fits we could have

Taking off the 2 small turrets yes may allow more tank or a better main turret but you lose that turret slot and the guy in the seat cannot spin around on the top turret and look behind the tank so you lose a set of eyes

You also lose that little bit of extra DPS or the ability to make the AV guy run away for cover

Dropships would be more tank and act more like a flying APC if they wish so they survive for longer and are more useful for squads at least

You have no turrets at all you may have a bigger tank but you have no offensive capabilitys at all

For vehicle warfare it would totally change it and expand it in so many ways, CB with tanks wouldnt be the same and i think it would help with the annoyances of pub matches aswell

The tough choices would be what tank you choose to bring out, its not like a dropsuit we dont have a garage to change tanks, we have that tough choice now but its really down to 2-3 tanks max at best, maybe 5 if with your tank crew but overall it would be tougher if we had more tanks available to use

Plus we dont have amarr/minmatar tanks or the arty/AC or lazer turrets yet

I think we should have the choice, EVE can do it so DUST should have it

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Takahiro Kashuken Intara Direct Action Caldari State 103	Posted - 2013.02.27 17:57:00 - [1] - Quote Atm you cannot have a vehicle without any turrets You cannot have a HAV with just 1 large turret and 1 small turret Its my vehicle CCP, i want to be able to drive a HAV hull with no turrets on it whatsoever for whatever reason and the same with LAV/Dropships Make it so
Eniram Resh L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 0	Posted - 2013.02.27 18:11:00 - [2] - Quote How dare you think that you have a say in how you should fit your vehicles with the isk you earned. Back in the hole with you! In all honesty though, I don't see a reason as to... "not" do this. If people want to drive around in cars, tanks, and flying bricks with no guns, then why not let them? TLDR; Cause ya know, why not?
Coleman Gray Coalition Of Goverments 49	Posted - 2013.02.27 18:26:00 - [3] - Quote Your request is very valid but can I ask why you would want a tank without guns?
Takahiro Kashuken Intara Direct Action Caldari State 104	Posted - 2013.02.27 18:31:00 - [4] - Quote Because why not? You take off the main turret you gain so much in PG, you would be able to maybe fit on a MCRU and more tank and because it would have no guns it means hopefully it would be an armored APC until APCs are actually added, or until we as the drivers are allowed to boot ppl out Or it could be a super armored logistics tank Or a battering ram Or a troll tank Or a moving wall to protect infantry as they move in Or as a bait tank The options we have are endless with some of the fits im thinking off, my Madrugar already has 7fits and thats all with turrets, take them off and i can build at least another 7
Iskandar Zul Karnain Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 181	Posted - 2013.02.27 18:34:00 - [5] - Quote +1
Charlotte O'Dell Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 2	Posted - 2013.02.27 18:44:00 - [6] - Quote +1
Val'herik Dorn CrimeWave Syndicate 279	Posted - 2013.02.27 19:02:00 - [7] - Quote As an eve player i like this idea... The dust part of me however thinks your are just the right kind of insane for this game. I would probably laugh so hard seeing a tank with no turrets i wouldn't shoot it out of sheer amusement. until a hoard of doods ran around the sides...
M3DIC 2U RED COLONIAL MARINES Covert Intervention 14	Posted - 2013.02.27 19:18:00 - [8] - Quote See this as making HAVs resemble the Stryker vehicle the US Army curerntly uses. One chasis, many options including APC, mortar, artillary, missile, and AA. Makes sense. +1 What would you want to be able to install instead of the turret? I think something should be available to fill the loadout but not armor or shields, we have modules already for them that work well. If you give HAV the capability to add yet more the cries of OP will skyrocket
Takahiro Kashuken Intara Direct Action Caldari State 110	Posted - 2013.02.28 00:31:00 - [9] - Quote Instead of a turret maybe a stealth cloak for BO HAVs at least, maybe infantry reppers for the small turret slots, just use the empty turret slots as seats and leave it at that until we get more mods In EVE they can be used to put on shield/armor reppers which we already have, or salavagers, or drone augmentaion links and also auto targeters but the game is massive and DUST is small
Jax Saurian GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 17	Posted - 2013.02.28 00:45:00 - [10] - Quote I like the idea of completely removing turrets on my dropship so I can finally add a MCRU without going over and it's also incentive for blueberries who can't get the idea to JUMP OUT but that's a thread for another day.

Malefactor 00420 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 26	Posted - 2013.02.28 01:16:00 - [11] - Quote Agreed. Allow us the slots and the choice to fill them or not, like we do with suits.
Thranx1231 CowTek 90	Posted - 2013.02.28 01:58:00 - [12] - Quote Malefactor 00420 wrote: Agreed. Allow us the slots and the choice to fill them or not, like we do with suits. Only on certain Suits. Some require that some of the slots are filled. Plus, the OP is just asking for everyone to have two grenade slots. One for Locus and one for the QQ Special Battering Rams. What could he want them for beside running down even more Mercs? Red and Blue. With what he is suggesting than this would just be Death Race (the 2008 version). He would be nearly indestructible and LAVs, HAVs and Infantry would be his feed. I am not volunteering so this Kitten Scraping can run us all down. That would include your precious self as well, @Malefactor 00420.
Takahiro Kashuken Intara Direct Action Caldari State 116	Posted - 2013.02.28 12:44:00 - [13] - Quote Thranx1231 wrote: Malefactor 00420 wrote: Agreed. Allow us the slots and the choice to fill them or not, like we do with suits. Only on certain Suits. Some require that some of the slots are filled. Plus, the OP is just asking for everyone to have two grenade slots. One for Locus and one for the QQ Special Battering Rams. What could he want them for beside running down even more Mercs? Red and Blue. With what he is suggesting than this would just be Death Race (the 2008 version). He would be nearly indestructible and LAVs, HAVs and Infantry would be his feed. I am not volunteering so this Kitten Scraping can run us all down. That would include your precious self as well, @Malefactor 00420. Obv didnt see the list i wrote down Ther is a number of HAVs i could easily build if i didnt have turrets and it would also allow HAVs to be more versatile and also specialized Drivers with ther millions of SP put into vehicles means that they dont have to go down 3 routes that every driver goes down anyways and we all end up with excatly the same fits
Sev Alcatraz Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 185	Posted - 2013.02.28 14:21:00 - [14] - Quote No small turrets means more CPU/ PG for my shields and such +1
Hexen Trickster The Southern Legion 12	Posted - 2013.02.28 15:41:00 - [15] - Quote This is a great idea.. newberrys who are sitting in my turrets looting my tank when i get out quickly to repair it.. no turrets no newberrys in my tank as for removing my main turret.. id like a dust version of the warp field distruptor but instead more of a web version Basically a aoe equipment that slows nearby enemy mercs.. combined with the CRU and the giant tank.. itd be a great infantry support
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 405	Posted - 2013.02.28 15:42:00 - [16] - Quote I'll trade the large turret for more carrying capacity and a small turret
Takahiro Kashuken Intara Direct Action Caldari State 117	Posted - 2013.02.28 16:09:00 - [17] - Quote Hexen Trickster wrote: This is a great idea.. newberrys who are sitting in my turrets looting my tank when i get out quickly to repair it.. no turrets no newberrys in my tank as for removing my main turret.. id like a dust version of the warp field distruptor but instead more of a web version Basically a aoe equipment that slows nearby enemy mercs.. combined with the CRU and the giant tank.. itd be a great infantry support Thats a good idea So a small web turret which can slow down the speed of a infantry or vehicle by something like 20% or a large web turret which slows down for 50%, i dunno if it should lock on for infantry but it should for vehicles Or even turrets which maybe produce an AoE like i dunno shield regen for infantry or a safety net of sorts so infantry get bouses for supporting the tank but also the tank gets protected because of the infatry aswell in CQC at least
Malefactor 00420 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 26	Posted - 2013.02.28 17:26:00 - [18] - Quote I was thinking a dropship with extra ehp, or fitted for scanning and used as recon, or an HAV with extra tank and only using one small turret for a more stout ground transport, that sort of thng. More personalization, less linear development.
Eniram Resh L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 0	Posted - 2013.02.28 18:51:00 - [19] - Quote I freaking love all of these ideas. I'd like the webifier turret y'all were talking about earlie, but put on a LAV. Maybe make it to where it also slows down turret rotation on the enemy target too. That way an LAV could circle an HAV and keep it locked down until backup arrives, kinda like an interceptor on EvE.
Full Metal Kitten Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 167	Posted - 2013.02.28 22:58:00 - [20] - Quote I want to fit a snow plow on my LAV to keep dead heavies I run over from slowing me down.

Takahiro Kashuken Intara Direct Action Caldari State 119	Posted - 2013.03.01 17:21:00 - [21] - Quote Full Metal Kitten wrote: I want to fit a snow plow on my LAV to keep dead heavies I run over from slowing me down. Yea run someone over like a scout and your tank stops dead for a second or 2 which shouldnt happen I would like to put on a cherry picker for lolz
Takahiro Kashuken Intara Direct Action Caldari State 119	Posted - 2013.03.02 12:37:00 - [22] - Quote Page 1
Thranx1231 CowTek 91	Posted - 2013.03.02 12:58:00 - [23] - Quote [quote=Takahiro Kashuken]Obv didnt see the list i wrote down -- snip --/quote]Yes I did, Kitten Breath. Your thinly veiled attempt at having a destruction derby LAV with no Turret to use as a battering Ram is Exactly what you are asking for. It has no purpose except running down Heavies and anything else you are having trouble taking on now. Or just for laughs. And just to be crystal clear, I am calling BS on your proposal. You should buy a game that does that now, there is no need to change this one.
Takahiro Kashuken Intara Direct Action Caldari State 119	Posted - 2013.03.02 13:24:00 - [24] - Quote Thranx1231 wrote: [quote=Takahiro Kashuken]Obv didnt see the list i wrote down -- snip --/quote]Yes I did, Kitten Breath. Your thinly veiled attempt at having a destruction derby LAV with no Turret to use as a battering Ram is Exactly what you are asking for. It has no purpose except running down Heavies and anything else you are having trouble taking on now. Or just for laughs. And just to be crystal clear, I am calling BS on your proposal. You should buy a game that does that now, there is no need to change this one. Still didnt read the list In EVE i can fly a ship with nothing on it, i should be allowed to do the same with vehicles in DUST
Pent'noir Algintal Core Gallente Federation 66	Posted - 2013.03.02 15:02:00 - [25] - Quote Yes, if they want to make a tank into a single player tank and use the cpu/pg on other things, then they should be able to do that.
Takahiro Kashuken Intara Direct Action Caldari State 119	Posted - 2013.03.03 16:50:00 - [26] - Quote Back to pg 1
Takahiro Kashuken Intara Direct Action Caldari State 119	Posted - 2013.03.07 14:14:00 - [27] - Quote Bump
Flint Beastgood III RED COLONIAL MARINES Covert Intervention 0	Posted - 2013.03.07 17:25:00 - [28] - Quote +1. I was so annoyed that I couldn't drive my CreoDron Methanas without training skills in turret operation :(
Shijima Kuraimaru WarRavens 173	Posted - 2013.03.07 18:41:00 - [29] - Quote Eniram Resh wrote: I freaking love all of these ideas. I'd like the webifier turret y'all were talking about earlie, but put on a LAV. Maybe make it to where it also slows down turret rotation on the enemy target too. That way an LAV could circle an HAV and keep it locked down until backup arrives, kinda like an interceptor on EvE. Webifier to slow vehicle or tracking disruptor to slow turret rotation. One module for each function, not one module that does both.
Shijima Kuraimaru WarRavens 173	Posted - 2013.03.07 18:45:00 - [30] - Quote When I saw the title I thought "Wow. Someone's going full ******." But after reading the ideas, yeah, I like it. I could take the turret off of my LAV and harden it up to increase my chances of getting quickly to a location across the map.

Chinduko KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 23	Posted - 2013.03.07 19:23:00 - [31] - Quote I would love to have a very heavily armored vehicle that is extremely difficult to destroy but has very little in offensive capability. A complete transport vehicle for the entire team.
Takahiro Kashuken Intara Direct Action Caldari State 126	Posted - 2013.03.09 13:57:00 - [32] - Quote I want my turretless tank CCP
Takahiro Kashuken Intara Direct Action Caldari State 128	Posted - 2013.03.11 13:19:00 - [33] - Quote Bump
Takahiro Kashuken Intara Direct Action Caldari State 140	Posted - 2013.03.14 15:18:00 - [34] - Quote BUMP
Daniel Dickinson Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.03.14 15:32:00 - [35] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Atm you cannot have a vehicle without any turrets You cannot have a HAV with just 1 large turret and 1 small turret Its my vehicle CCP, i want to be able to drive a HAV hull with no turrets on it whatsoever for whatever reason and the same with LAV/Dropships Make it so that's not how this game is played i would like to see more guns not less
Takahiro Kashuken Intara Direct Action Caldari State 140	Posted - 2013.03.14 15:35:00 - [36] - Quote Daniel Dickinson wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Atm you cannot have a vehicle without any turrets You cannot have a HAV with just 1 large turret and 1 small turret Its my vehicle CCP, i want to be able to drive a HAV hull with no turrets on it whatsoever for whatever reason and the same with LAV/Dropships Make it so that's not how this game is played i would like to see more guns not less I want to play it with less guns, i can do that in EVE if i really want to
KatanaPT Serenity Prime Kraken. 10	Posted - 2013.03.14 15:43:00 - [37] - Quote +1 also, lets get some APC's :D
KEROSIINI-TERO Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 257	Posted - 2013.03.14 16:58:00 - [38] - Quote I do like this idea, don't get it wrong. I've personally wanted to do that since the days of small missile turrets days of reign. I wanted to replace my large turret with small missile (as it felt better and earlier I had way better skills to them than larges). BUT HOWEVER This would make balancing the vehicles way more difficult. Not impossible, but difficult. At the moment there's quite a small range of PG/CPU you are operating in. Having default turrets (even when replaced by meta1) they effectively lessen tanks max PG/CPU. If removed, tanks would have more PG/CPU and therefore would be able to easily fit superior protection at the same time with superior weapons. I dare to say there would be no more room for 3 gun tank on the battlefield. Well you could choose to use it, this is a sandbox after all. Point is: Currently tank pilots have to make tough choices to make their fits, they can't have all. Removing turrets would open the door for no-brainer fits.
Takahiro Kashuken Intara Direct Action Caldari State 141	Posted - 2013.03.14 17:14:00 - [39] - Quote KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: I do like this idea, don't get it wrong. I've personally wanted to do that since the days of small missile turrets days of reign. I wanted to replace my large turret with small missile (as it felt better and earlier I had way better skills to them than larges). BUT HOWEVER This would make balancing the vehicles way more difficult. Not impossible, but difficult. At the moment there's quite a small range of PG/CPU you are operating in. Having default turrets (even when replaced by meta1) they effectively lessen tanks max PG/CPU. If removed, tanks would have more PG/CPU and therefore would be able to easily fit superior protection at the same time with superior weapons. I dare to say there would be no more room for 3 gun tank on the battlefield. Well you could choose to use it, this is a sandbox after all. Point is: Currently tank pilots have to make tough choices to make their fits, they can't have all. Removing turrets would open the door for no-brainer fits. But think of the fits we could have Taking off the 2 small turrets yes may allow more tank or a better main turret but you lose that turret slot and the guy in the seat cannot spin around on the top turret and look behind the tank so you lose a set of eyes You also lose that little bit of extra DPS or the ability to make the AV guy run away for cover Dropships would be more tank and act more like a flying APC if they wish so they survive for longer and are more useful for squads at least You have no turrets at all you may have a bigger tank but you have no offensive capabilitys at all For vehicle warfare it would totally change it and expand it in so many ways, CB with tanks wouldnt be the same and i think it would help with the annoyances of pub matches aswell The tough choices would be what tank you choose to bring out, its not like a dropsuit we dont have a garage to change tanks, we have that tough choice now but its really down to 2-3 tanks max at best, maybe 5 if with your tank crew but overall it would be tougher if we had more tanks available to use Plus we dont have amarr/minmatar tanks or the arty/AC or lazer turrets yet I think we should have the choice, EVE can do it so DUST should have it
Takahiro Kashuken Intara Direct Action Caldari State 141	Posted - 2013.03.15 13:31:00 - [40] - Quote Bump

Sylvang ayanah ZionTCD Legacy Rising 6	Posted - 2013.03.15 20:12:00 - [41] - Quote id rather be able to put more defenses on my limbus or even a mobile cru than a turret with already reduced damage, and besides all the limbus/chardybis is good for at this point is running people over because their infantry repair tools are broken.
copy left BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire 46	Posted - 2013.03.15 23:46:00 - [42] - Quote This has all of my yes
Takahiro Kashuken Intara Direct Action Caldari State 142	Posted - 2013.03.16 13:43:00 - [43] - Quote More options CCP
Shijima Kuraimaru WarRavens 176	Posted - 2013.03.16 23:55:00 - [44] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: I do like this idea, don't get it wrong. I've personally wanted to do that since the days of small missile turrets days of reign. I wanted to replace my large turret with small missile (as it felt better and earlier I had way better skills to them than larges). BUT HOWEVER This would make balancing the vehicles way more difficult. Not impossible, but difficult. At the moment there's quite a small range of PG/CPU you are operating in. Having default turrets (even when replaced by meta1) they effectively lessen tanks max PG/CPU. If removed, tanks would have more PG/CPU and therefore would be able to easily fit superior protection at the same time with superior weapons. I dare to say there would be no more room for 3 gun tank on the battlefield. Well you could choose to use it, this is a sandbox after all. Point is: Currently tank pilots have to make tough choices to make their fits, they can't have all. Removing turrets would open the door for no-brainer fits. But think of the fits we could have Taking off the 2 small turrets yes may allow more tank or a better main turret but you lose that turret slot and the guy in the seat cannot spin around on the top turret and look behind the tank so you lose a set of eyes You also lose that little bit of extra DPS or the ability to make the AV guy run away for cover Dropships would be more tank and act more like a flying APC if they wish so they survive for longer and are more useful for squads at least You have no turrets at all you may have a bigger tank but you have no offensive capabilitys at all For vehicle warfare it would totally change it and expand it in so many ways, CB with tanks wouldnt be the same and i think it would help with the annoyances of pub matches aswell The tough choices would be what tank you choose to bring out, its not like a dropsuit we dont have a garage to change tanks, we have that tough choice now but its really down to 2-3 tanks max at best, maybe 5 if with your tank crew but overall it would be tougher if we had more tanks available to use Plus we dont have amarr/minmatar tanks or the arty/AC or lazer turrets yet I think we should have the choice, EVE can do it so DUST should have it It will. CCP will introduce more toys gradually and only when they think the system and players can handle them.
Jason Pearson Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 865	Posted - 2013.04.20 05:18:00 - [45] - Quote Bump!
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 296	Posted - 2013.04.27 16:33:00 - [46] - Quote Bump
ECHO PACK GamersForChrist 50	Posted - 2013.04.29 01:27:00 - [47] - Quote id love to have just two small blasters people keep this forum active
Patoman Radiant ZionTCD Unclaimed. 70	Posted - 2013.04.29 06:00:00 - [48] - Quote Vermaak Doe wrote: I'll trade the large turret for more carrying capacity and a small turret Wouldn't that be a totally different HAV, or vehicle. Something with two small turrets, and carry capacity of 4 (plus driver
Jason Pearson Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 877	Posted - 2013.04.29 08:34:00 - [49] - Quote Patoman Radiant wrote: Vermaak Doe wrote: I'll trade the large turret for more carrying capacity and a small turret Wouldn't that be a totally different HAV, or vehicle. Something with two small turrets, and carry capacity of 4 (plus driver We should have the ability though. If I'm using my Tank as support, I want to be able to fit a stabilized blaster instead of those extra two small turrets that my squad aren't going to use because they're up ahead clearing the way. It should be how we want to fit it. Why does an LAV need a gun? Why does a Dropship need two when one or none could suffice?


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