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Breakin Stuff wrote:

Volgair wrote:

[quote=Breakin Stuff]

Forge guns are fine, its the Militia Forge that I have issues with. Nothing that requires no SP investment should be as powerful and cheap as it is. I am saying that as both a FG heavy and Tanker. Militia swarm is ok, maybe a little longer for a lock-on timer to further segregate it from its standard counter part.

believe it or not, the militia forge gun, even at damn near maxed AV skill is insufficient to destroy anything bigger than a militia tank except when said tank is driven poorly. I have never killed a gunnlogi or madrugar with a militia forge that didn't sit there like it was a turret bunker unable to move with the turret fixated on killing the wrong targets with a militia forge. However, the proto forge guns don't have the problem with the assault rifle flattening.

i highly recommend not using the breach guns though. they are only viable if your target is an idiot that stared at an enemy drooling for a minute trying to figure out what to do. on second thought, if you're on the opposing team use the breach.

Dropships versus the forge guns is another ball of wax. dropships are probably able to survive dedicated AV attention, but the question is... what's the fit needed?

and I'm cool with militia forge guns blasting yard trash LAVs to scrap.

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Volgair Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 201	Posted - 2013.02.27 19:36:00 - [31] - Quote Necrodermis wrote: Volgair wrote: I see your HAV and Fighter. Then raise you an MTAC. and i will be seeing you in another 5-6 years. Supposedly MTAC's are coming with the winter expansion. CCP said they were coming about 6 months after release at fanfest last year and I plan to hold them to the statement.
Necrodermis GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 461	Posted - 2013.02.27 19:40:00 - [32] - Quote Volgair wrote: Supposedly MTAC's are coming with the winter expansion. CCP said they were coming about 6 months after release at fanfest last year and I plan to hold them to the statement. from all the promises they have made i wouldn't. they can't even get a match making formula right.
nakaya indigene ZionTCD Legacy Rising 43	Posted - 2013.02.27 19:40:00 - [33] - Quote so that is what adapt has been up to.. hes been speccing into a sagaris
Breakin Stuff Immobile Infantry 698	Posted - 2013.02.27 19:52:00 - [34] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Well if you have video of FOUR tanks dropped by me then please share.?? And also please show where I posted that everyone is going to have to use tanks to show good gungame? Otherwise shut up. Good day. I smell tears. Delicious, delicious tears... And i don't care about your gungame. I care about winning game. If I win the game because you aren't prepared for a swarm of tanks then it's awesome. If I win the game because you can't adapt to an HMG heavy backed by a logi... I still win. Gungame doesn't matter. What matters is how you best contribute to your team's victory.
Necrodermis GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 461	Posted - 2013.02.27 19:56:00 - [35] - Quote fit a sniper madrugar damage mods maybe a plate to prevent an insta pop. sit back in the red zone and destroy every enemy tank with a few shots. i have seen this happen before well known tank pilots got rolled by this glass cannon.
Gelan Corbaine BetaMax. 105	Posted - 2013.02.27 20:08:00 - [36] - Quote Assault Forges makes Tankers cry....
Breakin Stuff Immobile Infantry 698	Posted - 2013.02.27 20:11:00 - [37] - Quote Gelan Corbaine wrote: Assault Forges makes Tankers cry.... tank tears = best tears For best results Ishukone Assault Forges. Usually takes 15 minutes from the time I pull the trigger for the forum post demanding forge gun nerfs to appear.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 404	Posted - 2013.02.27 20:19:00 - [38] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Well if you have video of FOUR tanks dropped by me then please share.?? And also please show where I posted that everyone is going to have to use tanks to show good gungame? Otherwise shut up. Good day. I smell tears. Delicious, delicious tears... And i don't care about your gungame. I care about winning game. If I win the game because you aren't prepared for a swarm of tanks then it's awesome. If I win the game because you can't adapt to an HMG heavy backed by a logi... I still win. Gungame doesn't matter. What matters is how you best contribute to your team's victory. Please. Its boreing, BOREING playing around with vehicle fits.....yawn. And spending SP on AV forces you to play the game being forced on a certain path. Logi and HMG?? I run solo just for kicks since I am waiting for six clone squads but anywho...... Option one is just kill both with a basic suit and basic HMG. Option two is four complex sidearm damage mods plus dual Calas MK-33. The sad part is even a basic SMG and dual damage mods versus a heavy HMG and the SMG wins due to headshot bonus. 1X sidearm skills versus 3X heavy skills thats kind of sad but once folks level up the heavies are screwed. Or my dual scambler pistol fit called: 007
Volgair Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 201	Posted - 2013.02.27 20:22:00 - [39] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Gelan Corbaine wrote: Assault Forges makes Tankers cry.... tank tears = best tears For best results Ishukone Assault Forges. Usually takes 15 minutes from the time I pull the trigger for the forum post demanding forge gun nerfs to appear. Forge guns are fine, its the Militia Forge that I have issues with. Nothing that requires no SP investment should be as powerful and cheap as it is. I am saying that as both a heavy and Tanker. Militia swarm is ok, maybe a little longer for a lock-on timer to further segregate it from its standard counter part.
Breakin Stuff Immobile Infantry 699	Posted - 2013.02.27 20:23:00 - [40] - Quote methinks the lady doth protest too much. Solution: skill into AV and quit whining about tanks. I can 3-shot most gunnlogi and 5-shot madrugar. waah tanks are bad. Use the tools to correct the problem.

Breakin Stuff Immobile Infantry 699	Posted - 2013.02.27 20:35:00 - [41] - Quote Volgair wrote: Forge guns are fine, its the Militia Forge that I have issues with. Nothing that requires no SP investment should be as powerful and cheap as it is. I am saying that as both a FG heavy and Tanker. Militia swarm is ok, maybe a little longer for a lock-on timer to further segregate it from its standard counter part. believe it or not, the militia forge gun, even at damn near maxed AV skill is insufficient to destroy anything bigger than a militia tank except when said tank is driven poorly. I have never killed a gunnlogi or madrugar with a militia forge that didn't sit there like it was a turret bunker unable to move with the turret fixated on killing the wrong targets with a militia forge. However, the proto forge guns don't have the problem with the assault rifle flattening. i highly recommend not using the breach guns though. they are only viable if your target is an idiot that stared at an enemy drooling for a minute trying to figure out what to do. on second thought, if you're on the opposing team use the breach. Dropships versus the forge guns is another ball of wax. dropships are probably able to survive dedicated AV attention, but the question is... what's the fit needed? and I'm cool with militia forge guns blasting yard trash LAVs to scrap.
Volgair Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 201	Posted - 2013.02.27 20:51:00 - [42] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Volgair wrote: [quote=Breakin Stuff] Forge guns are fine, its the Militia Forge that I have issues with. Nothing that requires no SP investment should be as powerful and cheap as it is. I am saying that as both a FG heavy and Tanker. Militia swarm is ok, maybe a little longer for a lock-on timer to further segregate it from its standard counter part. believe it or not, the militia forge gun, even at damn near maxed AV skill is insufficient to destroy anything bigger than a militia tank except when said tank is driven poorly. I have never killed a gunnlogi or madrugar with a militia forge that didn't sit there like it was a turret bunker unable to move with the turret fixated on killing the wrong targets with a militia forge. However, the proto forge guns don't have the problem with the assault rifle flattening. i highly recommend not using the breach guns though. they are only viable if your target is an idiot that stared at an enemy drooling for a minute trying to figure out what to do. on second thought, if you're on the opposing team use the breach. Dropships versus the forge guns is another ball of wax. dropships are probably able to survive dedicated AV attention, but the question is... what's the fit needed? and I'm cool with militia forge guns blasting yard trash LAVs to scrap. I have used the weapon and have FG proficiency 1. It is plenty powerful and can kill any thing on the field. (Granted it takes a little more effort.) needless to say, it shouldn't. If you cant make it work for you that's a deficiency your going to have to deal with. I am of the opinion that people should have to invest the required SP on the weapon, and at a minimum isk for the standard variant. Assuming some one wants to do more then 2 hit LAV's.
Breakin Stuff Immobile Infantry 699	Posted - 2013.02.27 21:00:00 - [43] - Quote Volgair wrote: [quote=Breakin Stuff][quote=Volgair] I have used the weapon and have FG proficiency 1. It is plenty powerful and can kill any thing on the field. (Granted it takes a little more effort.) needless to say, it shouldn't. If you cant make it work for you that's a deficiency your going to have to deal with. I am of the opinion that people should have to invest the required SP on the weapon, and at a minimum isk for the standard variant. Assuming some one wants to do more then 2 hit LAV's. assault forges actually work better for me. the hold-charge forges I suck with but for whatever reason I can flash pretty much everyone with assaults, except when I let infantry get too close. but then I use the proto assault because I love watching tanks stop what they're doing to desperately leave the area when I hit them.
Volgair Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 201	Posted - 2013.02.27 21:13:00 - [44] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Volgair wrote: [quote=Breakin Stuff][quote=Volgair] I have used the weapon and have FG proficiency 1. It is plenty powerful and can kill any thing on the field. (Granted it takes a little more effort.) needless to say, it shouldn't. If you cant make it work for you that's a deficiency your going to have to deal with. I am of the opinion that people should have to invest the required SP on the weapon, and at a minimum isk for the standard variant. Assuming some one wants to do more then 2 hit LAV's. assault forges actually work better for me. the hold-charge forges I suck with but for whatever reason I can flash pretty much everyone with assaults, except when I let infantry get too close. but then I use the proto assault because I love watching tanks stop what they're doing to desperately leave the area when I hit them. That's what i use as well, there are a few guys in my corp that prefer the ability to hold the charge so they can take cover, while they charge. I however use the higher DPS to scare HAV pilots. You would be amazed on how often they hit walls and outcropping's by freaking out after having been stripped of half their EHP in 3.2 seconds. That doesn't mean I think the Militia forge should be as powerful as it is.


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